Gov. Walker and WI's master plan

[ConstipatedVigilante]

People fail to realize that either the pay has to be cut, or the people have to be cut. Or taxes must go up, which won't happen under a Republican.

 

[soundforbjt]

People fail to realize that either the pay has to be cut, or the people have to be cut. Or taxes must go up, which won't happen under a Republican.

Actually all the above need to be done to get deficits under control. Just there's no way people are willing to ALL sacrifice for the good of their state and federal gov & nation.

Everyone else needs to sacrifice, but ME !!

 

[IBMer]

People fail to realize that either the pay has to be cut, or the people have to be cut. Or taxes must go up, which won't happen under a Republican.

They chose to cut taxes and cut pay and probably lay off people later on.

 

[Carmen813]

Ahh, couldn't answer.

So run away will prevent "government grinds to an absolute stop"?

So now you also KNOW what I am doing or thinking.

Nice debating with you...LOL x 100000000 (just to tick you off)

 

[Svnla]

You are quite deluded if you think your posts are angering me. Sadly, your ability to control the emotional reactions of others by posting non-sense over the internet is not as powerful as you seem to believe. My reaction is more along the lines of this:

Debate actually requires you to stay on topic, not start slinging everything including the kitchen sink when you begin to realize your argument sucks.

You were the one that said (in reply to my post about run away Wisc. state legislators):

....these legislators ARE doing their jobs. In the only way that they can. Their primary job is to represent and protect their constituents, which is exactly what they are doing.

and when I asked directly to you, NOT to anyone else (very on topic):

So what will be next? Municipal, county, state, federal legislators could run away whenever they don't like a bill or bills?

You would not or could not replied with a straight answer but with ....red herring, blue dolphin, purple Barney dinosaur, green pepper..and insultings such as "use your brain and try to think "..."severe lack of actual thought...." and more deflections.

Again, do tell us how was my question not on topic and give us a straight and honest anwer? (yes or no will be good enough) Either answer the darn question or don't bother with more non sense bullcraps and deflections.

Facepalm on you, hipocrite. Next time, try your bullshit with some other hipocrites.

 

[wirednuts]

People fail to realize that either the pay has to be cut, or the people have to be cut. Or taxes must go up, which won't happen under a Republican.

or you can expose the lie that the republicans are putting out there. the budget is not in trouble. the money is there. its nothing more then a lie to spread fear and draw taxpayer support.

besides, the teachers are getting what BOTH sides agreed on. it wouldnt be right to take away those things without another agreement.

 

[boomerang]

or you can expose the lie that the republicans are putting out there. the budget is not in trouble. the money is there. its nothing more then a lie to spread fear and draw taxpayer support.

besides, the teachers are getting what BOTH sides agreed on. it wouldnt be right to take away those things without another agreement.

 

[Nebor]

Dude, the state did not have budget problems until the governor decided to cut taxes for corporations/the rich earlier this year.

It's not that everyone should sacrifice but them, it's that the governor is full of shit by claiming sacrifices need to be made due to a situation that he created. He is the one that didn't plan for the obvious consequences of his tax cuts, and he is an enormously irresponsible public figure.

You don't think he planned ahead to cut public worker pay\benefits? I mean, it seems like he had a plan to me. Cut taxes, cut benefits\pay.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Damn, I hate when government/state employees have to make sacrifices like the rest of the working people. Salary freezes, pay cuts, benefit cost increases or reductions. Guess they need to suck it up and move on like everyone else. If not, they're always free to move to another state or quit.

 

[Nebor]

So... are unions important? Have the benefits of unions enriched us all, regardless if we ever belonged to a union? Do you enjoy eight hour word days? Weekends off? Employer based healthcare? Public schools? A decent work environment? Clean air? Clean water? Safe food?

I'm on my 22nd 17-hour work day in a row. Without overtime, or comp time. Decent work environment... not often. Clean air? Not usually. Clean water? Sometimes. Safe food? Debatable. And I work for the the federal government.

I'm not complaining, I'm saying that you are so, so soft and comfortable. Are you oblivious to the fact that the entire developing world is working at a frantic pace with no benefits, and relatively low pay, meanwhile you're complaining about the pay of people who work 40 weeks a year? We can't afford it. WI apparently can't afford it as a state, and we as a nation need to learn to make some painful cuts NOW, or we will be making gut-wrenching cuts later.

 

[fskimospy]

You don't think he planned ahead to cut public worker pay\benefits? I mean, it seems like he had a plan to me. Cut taxes, cut benefits\pay.

If he had been planning in a responsible way he would have put them as part of the same bill, thereby cutting taxes and reducing spending simultaneously to avoid a "fiscal crisis" that he's complaining about now.

If you are an executive and you purposefully put your state in a fiscal crisis, you are an irresponsible and poor leader.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Dude, the state did not have budget problems until the governor decided to cut taxes for corporations/the rich earlier this year.

It's not that everyone should sacrifice but them, it's that the governor is full of shit by claiming sacrifices need to be made due to a situation that he created. He is the one that didn't plan for the obvious consequences of his tax cuts, and he is an enormously irresponsible public figure.

wrong. you can try to claim they didn't have a problem all you want but the truth is they did. The tax cuts are not "costs" - you libs need to start accepting that reality.

 

[spidey07]

Damn, I hate when government/state employees have to make sacrifices like the rest of the working people. Salary freezes, pay cuts, benefit cost increases or reductions. Guess they need to suck it up and move on like everyone else. If not, they're always free to move to another state or quit.

And that's the sentiment of very other working American. Only the most leftist/communist people disagree with these absolutely necessary changes. The very real scare is there are people that think like this.

Watch them, they are the enemy. This is what they believe. This is WHO they are and Obama is on the same side.

American Taxpayer - Will you accept this kind of behavior and entitlement or will you remember this when voting time comes? We The People will remember.

 

[Nebor]

Damn, I hate when government/state employees have to make sacrifices like the rest of the working people. Salary freezes, pay cuts, benefit cost increases or reductions. Guess they need to suck it up and move on like everyone else. If not, they're always free to move to another state or quit.

That's something that's rarely addressed: the incredibly low (comparatively) turnover rate of government employees. I posit that this is a combination of great pay & benefits, low expectations and unions making it very difficult to fire them.

 

[Nebor]

If he had been planning in a responsible way he would have put them as part of the same bill, thereby cutting taxes and reducing spending simultaneously to avoid a "fiscal crisis" that he's complaining about now.

If you are an executive and you purposefully put your state in a fiscal crisis, you are an irresponsible and poor leader.

Well assuming his end state goal was lower taxes and lower public employee pay\benefits, your proposed plan is achievable. It would never have passed because people would have connected the (close together) dots.

This way, people are made to feel that they have no choice. They wanted lower taxes right? Now they have to tighten their belts. The dots are much further apart, and most people aren't able to connect them.

So I'd say his plan worked better than your proposed plan, despite being manipulative.

 

[fskimospy]

wrong. you can try to claim they didn't have a problem all you want but the truth is they did. The tax cuts are not "costs" - you libs need to start accepting that reality.

Wrong. He reduced state revenues without tying it to a reduction in spending, for all you guys talk about fiscal responsibility, this is budgeting 101.

Now since you're CAD and you've never found a right wing hill that's not worth dying on, you'll do your best to squirm away from reality so that you don't have to confront uncomfortable truths. (don't think I've forgotten your legendary battles against the dictionary)

Not interesting.

 

[Red Dawn]

And that's the sentiment of very other working American. Only the most leftist/communist people disagree with these absolutely necessary changes. The very real scare is there are people that think like this.

Watch them, they are the enemy. This is what they believe. This is WHO they are and Obama is on the same side.

American Taxpayer - Will you accept this kind of behavior and entitlement or will you remember this when voting time comes? We The People will remember.

Man listen to you ya little fascist punk. The are just looking out for themselves and their families while they teach and babysit your little ill behaved little self little bastards. They want to have a decent life like you and the rest of us but hysterical bastards like you are labeling them "The Enemy" In my opinion it's fuckers like you who are the enemy. Yeah they might have to bite the bullet and take some hits like the rest of us but to label them the enemy sounds very Berlin 1932. Communists? Damn you, you anonymous coward.

I guarantee they work harder than you punk.

 

[fskimospy]

Well assuming his end state goal was lower taxes and lower public employee pay\benefits, your proposed plan is achievable. It would never have passed because people would have connected the (close together) dots.

This way, people are made to feel that they have no choice. They wanted lower taxes right? Now they have to tighten their belts. The dots are much further apart, and most people aren't able to connect them.

So I'd say his plan worked better than your proposed plan, despite being manipulative.

My argument has nothing to do with its effectiveness, of course its more effective to do it this way, what I'm saying is that his argument is deceptive.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Wrong. He reduced state revenues without tying it to a reduction in spending, for all you guys talk about fiscal responsibility, this is budgeting 101.

Now since you're CAD and you've never found a right wing hill that's not worth dying on, you'll do your best to squirm away from reality so that you don't have to confront uncomfortable truths. (don't think I've forgotten your legendary battles against the dictionary)

Not interesting.

Uh... You stated he caused the crisis by his tax policy. That is factually incorrect, but i'm sure you and the other libs will continue to try to blame him instead of the free spending doyle.

 

[Nebor]

My argument has nothing to do with its effectiveness, of course its more effective to do it this way, what I'm saying is that his argument is deceptive.

So? He's a politician. At least he's coming to work every day. 😀

 

[fskimospy]

So? He's a politician. At least he's coming to work every day. 😀

Sure.

In other news, state troopers have now rescinded their endorsement of Walker, saying they 'regret' having done so:
http://www.channel3000.com/news/26933675/detail.html

 

[Nebor]

Sure.

In other news, state troopers have now rescinded their endorsement of Walker, saying they 'regret' having done so:
http://www.channel3000.com/news/26933675/detail.html

Everyone's family is just as valuable as mine or any other persons, especially mine. Everyone's needs are just as valuable. We are all great people!!"

I don't see where in the announcement he offers his union's concessions. All talk, no action. Let's see the state troopers pay cut down to the level of teachers in WI. I mean, their needs are just as valuable, right?

 

[Svnla]

More pressure for the Democrats to return and vote.

Gov. Scott Walker said the 14 minority Democrats who left Madison on Thursday were failing to do their jobs by "hiding out" in another state.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

 

[fskimospy]

I don't see where in the announcement he offers his union's concessions. All talk, no action. Let's see the state troopers pay cut down to the level of teachers in WI. I mean, their needs are just as valuable, right?

How could he possibly have offered such a thing without a union vote, and what on earth would make you think that they could schedule something like that so quickly?

Regardless, that wasn't my point. Good to see his support base eroding.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

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