Gov is monitoring you at your ISP. UPDT:Google ordered to give FBI data on everyone

[FelixDeCat]

It doesn't have to be accepted, only acknowledged. It can be fought legislatively, bypassed altogether, or the tools of oppression can be monkey wrenched. If people want it to change, they need to do something. I'm sure some don't want change. The idea of a big government utopia where everyone is fat and happy never seems to die even though history has shown it never works.

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I at least sign the EFF.org petitions to Congress and donate. :thumbsup:

 

[gevorg]

 

[z1ggy]

It doesn't have to be accepted, only acknowledged. It can be fought legislatively, bypassed altogether, or the tools of oppression can be monkey wrenched. If people want it to change, they need to do something. I'm sure some don't want change. The idea of a big government utopia where everyone is fat and happy never seems to die even though history has shown it never works.

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The only way a collective group of people being represented by a morally corrupt group of blow hards is how they did it back in the 1780's.

Calling up Senator DingDong or Rep Asshat isn't going to change dick.

 

[FelixDeCat]

People are idiots if they think anything like that's being collected. The amount of processing and storage needed is immense just for really serious international things yet alone all data everywhere all the time.

Yet, this is the reason major government officials dont use email or carry cell phones. :whiste:

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Yet, this is the reason major government officials dont use email or carry cell phones. :whiste:

Who says they don't?

 

[lxskllr]

Those are a couple of answers. But I think if your DNS isnt encrypted or you are not using TOR inside a VPN, the text from the unencrypted webpages you visit will still be visible by your ISP.

Of course you also have to trust your VPN provider (freeopenvpn + vpnbook), or set up your own private VPN.

Your isp can't see unencrypted pages if you use Tor. The encryption for everything starts at the back of your computer, and ends at the exit node if you're going to the clearnet. Now the exit node can read unencrypted traffic, so you need to be careful of what you type, but it won't know where the traffic originated from.

 

[Cheesemoo]

I tried to remember a cliche quote from hackers or something to make fun of this thread.... but I couldn't come up with any

Got your back....

"It's in that place where I put that thing that time."

 

[blackangst1]

TOR and VPN FTW.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I do not think any VPN/TOR is going to be safe in the long run. It's all still controlled by one entity that can be handed over/shut down by any government at any time. That is what they are headed for all in the name of security.

While none of this is probably an issue RIGHT now, just look at the recent IRS scandal to know that persecution due to beliefs and any other thing regardless if legal or illegal does and will continue to exist because our governments are not above corruption and are no longer kept in check.

 

[lxskllr]

I do not think any VPN/TOR is going to be safe in the long run. It's all still controlled by one entity that can be handed over/shut down by any government at any time. That is what they are headed for all in the name of security.

There's meshnets. There's some tricky technical and apathy problems that need to be worked on, but if things really go south, it's a solution.

 

[Ichinisan]

If the "observer" was undercover, why would he drive a Crown Vic? There's no relation to the Google search.

Yes. I know OP had to be joking.

 

[lxskllr]

Have you done anything about this Kat?

http://www.burntorangereport.com/di...sses-three-amendments-to-texas-cispalike-bill

 

[FelixDeCat]

updated 05/24/13:

FBI wants backdoor to encrypted internet traffic to intercept all Americans communications even further:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_t..._into_online_communications_could_create.html

 

[Red Squirrel]

The US government has been doing this for a long time, it's actually quite sad just how much control they want over people and always looking into ways to track even more.

They arn't only tracking people online but in real life too, they've deployed drones across the US to spy on everyone. My guess is they have ways to fully classify all info and link offline and online activities to a single person. Not sure what their purpose is with all this but it can't be good. Better not talk bad about the government either or you'll be considered an anti-government terrorist. Comply, or pay the price.

 

[Red Squirrel]

As for VPNs, Tor etc the big issue is, what is the motive of someone wanting to be an exit node? They will most likely be the ones held responsible for the traffic. So while in priciple these anonymous networks are great I don't see how they can be sustainable. We almost need a completely alternate internet where data is not centralized at all, and queries go to several nodes to construct a single page. That way no single piece of data leaves a single machine. Building such a network and making it fast would be hard, and I'm sure the FBI, CIA and other alphabet soup agencies will find ways to track it too.

 

[Lifted]

Back in the day I called my friend and an operator at the local FBI office answered. Called back several times and kept getting her. She kept her calm even after I called a bunch of my other friends and his relatives to call and see if they were also routed to them. The operator very calmly insisted it must have been a mistake at the phone company.

I assume their shit is a bit more together these days, but people here are giving the FBI way too much credit.

 

[FelixDeCat]

The US government has been doing this for a long time, it's actually quite sad just how much control they want over people and always looking into ways to track even more.

They arn't only tracking people online but in real life too, they've deployed drones across the US to spy on everyone. My guess is they have ways to fully classify all info and link offline and online activities to a single person. Not sure what their purpose is with all this but it can't be good. Better not talk bad about the government either or you'll be considered an anti-government terrorist. Comply, or pay the price.

Kind of reminds me of that move Eagle Eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wkqo_Rd3_Q

Back in the day I called my friend and an operator at the local FBI office answered. Called back several times and kept getting her. She kept her calm even after I called a bunch of my other friends and his relatives to call and see if they were also routed to them. The operator very calmly insisted it must have been a mistake at the phone company.

I assume their shit is a bit more together these days, but people here are giving the FBI way too much credit.

LOL all you want at the keystone cops. But todays gov agencies have lots of black hats working for them......or else. :whiste:

 

[Fritzo]

The US government has been doing this for a long time, it's actually quite sad just how much control they want over people and always looking into ways to track even more.

They arn't only tracking people online but in real life too, they've deployed drones across the US to spy on everyone. My guess is they have ways to fully classify all info and link offline and online activities to a single person. Not sure what their purpose is with all this but it can't be good. Better not talk bad about the government either or you'll be considered an anti-government terrorist. Comply, or pay the price.

It's a two-way street. We all want total privacy, but when something blows up, we all demand "WHY DIDN'T THEY KNOW ABOUT THIS???"

If you knew the amount of plots foiled on a daily basis from random surveillance, you'd probably move into a concrete bunker

So, it's uncomfortable thinking that someone is watching you, but they also don't seem to be telling you what you can or can't say, and they only seem to be following up on serious matters. Complete freedom is anarchy, complete control is slavery. Nobody knows what the perfect balance is.

 

[SP33Demon]

ahahaha best pic.ever.

 

[bignateyk]

Dont believe me?

I've mentioned before back around 2007 or so I did a search for "how to rob a bank" and visited a few sites (none of which provided useful information other than to garner adsense hits). The NEXT MORNING as I opened the front door to leave for work there was someone sitting in an new, unmarked Ford Crown Vic facing the front door.

He was white, in is 40s, clean shaven, wearing a Texas Rangers style hat, white dress shirt, dark tie and sunglasses. He appeared to be looking in all directions except directly at me while taking written notes.

I glanced at him long enough to make a mental note, then headed for the car to leave for work. He did not follow. I have never seen him or that car again.

You should have yourself checked out. Paranoid delusions aren't healthy.

 

[Socio]

Seeking backdoors to encrypted traffic puts the kibosh on encrypted e-mails or even using a VPN. The ability for them to demand access to what is supposed to be secure services and vulnerability these backdoors would create would mean nothing could ever be considered secure anymore.

It is getting to be just to much, I think I would rather dissolve the patriot act, abolish the DHS and TSA and take my chances.

 

[olds]

Years ago when I worked for our Haz Mat department I put together our training. It was right after 9/11 and I was putting together training for NBC and terrorist attacks to our infrastructure. I was also putting together training on meth labs as they were turning up along side our roads where people were dumping them and our employees would find them.
It involved a lot of internet searches and research.
It's probably just a coincidence but for about a year after doing this, whenever I flew, I had to go into the airports to check in. I was blacklisted at curbside.

 

[Sheep221]

I'm not bothered by the extensive surveillance and filtering of online communication. I see it as a bit totalitarian, but I don't care otherwise, unless you are preparing to blow up some plane or rob a bank, I'm sure they won't contact you.

 

[blankslate]

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619

In January 2003, Klein observed a new room being built adjacent to the room housing AT&T's #4ESS switching equipment, which is responsible for routing long distance and international calls.
"I learned that the person whom the NSA interviewed for the secret job was the person working to install equipment in this room," Klein wrote. "The regular technician work force was not allowed in the room."

Yep as soon as I saw the thread title I thought of that.

I also recall some "lefty"radio hosts talking about it. The regular media didn't report on it much though... "Give up your privacy and we'll make you more secure..."

Some founding father said something about that, if only I could remember the quote... :hmm:

 

[wirednuts]

one thing that eases my mind... its the internet. i dont care who you are, fbi, nsa, dea, the president... you CAN NOT beat the internet. the harder you try, the worse you fail. this is our modern tool of freedom, it can not be stopped.