Gotta love the left media....

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Guns will be the standard for barter if the green collapses. Trading green for guns in this economic enviroment is a wise move.

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Actually there's VERY solid economic sense in purchasing now.

Just before the AWB a 15 round magazine for my Glock 22 was $17.95. Four years into the ban it was $79.95.

Believe me, if Obama says word one about new gun control measures I'm double-mortgaging the house and investing entirely in guns, ammo, and accessories. By the time he leaves office I should be able to retire.


edit: ooops, forgot a 1.

Sigh...I really don't have an issue with people buying what they want or defending your right to own a firearm but seriously...you two take this way too far. You are obsessive and I question whether or not it is healthy.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: NeoV
can you seriously tell me why people need to be able to buy weapons such as an AR-15?

As opposed to a 30-06 or any other large game hunting rifle?

Oh noes, the scary black gun! :disgust:

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: NeoV
yah, cause so many of you need to have an AR-15, even though about .05% of you would have any idea of what to even do with one

you gun freaks never cease to amaze me with your one-sided view of this issue

while I completely agree that the previous assault-weapon ban was not nearly as well defined as it should have been, can you seriously tell me why people need to be able to buy weapons such as an AR-15?

Could you tell us how many murders have been committed with AR-15s in the last few years? Obviously you must know, or you wouldn't have mentioned that weapon specifically.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Guns will be the standard for barter if the green collapses. Trading green for guns in this economic enviroment is a wise move.

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Actually there's VERY solid economic sense in purchasing now.

Just before the AWB a 15 round magazine for my Glock 22 was $17.95. Four years into the ban it was $79.95.

Believe me, if Obama says word one about new gun control measures I'm double-mortgaging the house and investing entirely in guns, ammo, and accessories. By the time he leaves office I should be able to retire.


edit: ooops, forgot a 1.

Sigh...I really don't have an issue with people buying what they want or defending your right to own a firearm but seriously...you two take this way too far. You are obsessive and I question whether or not it is healthy.

I see, and if I showed you solid historic evidence that you could quadruple some other investment in 4 years, you wouldn't be the least interested? There's nothing wrong with making a little profit while being right.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Sigh...I really don't have an issue with people buying what they want or defending your right to own a firearm but seriously...you two take this way too far. You are obsessive and I question whether or not it is healthy.

I see, and if I showed you solid historic evidence that you could quadruple some other investment in 4 years, you wouldn't be the least interested? There's nothing wrong with making a little profit while being right.

2nd mortgage for guns is a retarded decision. I don't care how you slice it. Spending other money that has nothing to do with the roof over your head is different.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: jpeyton
These people rushing to buy guns on November 5th are criminally stupid.

w/ an impending ban, how is that stupid? these gun shops need to make $$ while they can since they will be out of biz after the next ban..... also as supply dries up, prices will go up too. many types of ammo is already up 10% from just a week ago...

There is NO evidence of "an impending ban", that's what's kind of stupid here.

"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets"

-from Obama's Change.gov website (before they took it all down)

So are they stupid for believing what Obama says or are they stupid for not waiting until the bill, if there is one, is on his desk? Personally, I don't think the Dems are going to touch the gun issue for at least the next two years. It would piss off too many people that just voted for them while gaining them very few, if any, voters.

Originally posted by: umbrella39

This is your opinion. This is not based on facts until it actually happens. More power to the people who feel compelled to stock up.

See above for Obama's opinion.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton
These people rushing to buy guns on November 5th are criminally stupid.

What other constitutional rights do you make fun of?

I have the right to free speech. If I stand on the corner shouting about the the end of the world because the aliens from Independence Day are going to invade is making fun of me off limits too?

 

[DealMonkey]

From Obama's site:

Millions of hunters and shooters own and use guns each year. Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns.

http://obama.3cdn.net/7d467fe75a3029d7df_hum6injwr.pdf

But please feel free to revel in your paranoia.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets"

-from Obama's Change.gov website (before they took it all down)

So are they stupid for believing what Obama says or are they stupid for not waiting until the bill, if there is one, is on his desk? Personally, I don't think the Dems are going to touch the gun issue for at least the next two years. It would piss off too many people that just voted for them while gaining them very few, if any, voters.

To be quite honest, I have no issue with banning assault rifles and I have heard all of the counter arguments so don't bother repeating them here. At the end of the day, I don't care and if you want to hate me for it then feel free. You also will not see me crying a river if nothing changes in that area because I just don't find it to be high on the list of priorities right now.

However, I will say that I would be very UNHAPPY if Obama decided to put this on his agenda in the next 4 years and I say that for one reason and one reason only. I believe that this country has much bigger fish to fry right now. Much bigger problems are at hand which require much bigger solutions and need much more time. I want him to be President for 8 years and I would really rather not have the man lose votes for a second term over people's overly obsessive feelings towards assault rifles.

 

[DealMonkey]

Honestly, I think the Democrats have learned their lesson about gun control and about the consequences for not supporting the Second Amendment. They'd be fools to revive any anti-gun actions now, and it would surprise me if they did. I for one, fully support our 2nd Amendment and have no problem with law-abiding citizens owning whatever weapon they want. I only wish the NRA supporters also supported the ACLU as much as I support both. After all, there's a lot of Amendments out there to defend, not just the 2nd.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Honestly, I think the Democrats have learned their lesson about gun control and about the consequences for not supporting the Second Amendment. They'd be fools to revive any anti-gun actions now, and it would surprise me if they did. I for one, fully support our 2nd Amendment and have no problem with law-abiding citizens owning whatever weapon they want. I only wish the NRA supporters also supported the ACLU as much as I support both. After all, there's a lot of Amendments out there to defend, not just the 2nd.

I agree (although the 2A was formed to protect the rest of them), but the NRA and gun rights advocates are too much aligned with the Republican party. If you vote for 2A rights, you're invariably stuck voting for deficit spending, illegal wars, illegal wire tapping, no gay marriage, etc. It's sad, and it's the main reason I voted 3rd party this time around. I consider myself conservative, and I don't consider the Republican party to represent my views.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Honestly, I think the Democrats have learned their lesson about gun control and about the consequences for not supporting the Second Amendment. They'd be fools to revive any anti-gun actions now, and it would surprise me if they did. I for one, fully support our 2nd Amendment and have no problem with law-abiding citizens owning whatever weapon they want. I only wish the NRA supporters also supported the ACLU as much as I support both. After all, there's a lot of Amendments out there to defend, not just the 2nd.

Because "red staters" are not as dumb as people think they are?

ACLU POSITION


Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view.

The Supreme Court has now ruled otherwise. In striking down Washington D.C.'s handgun ban by a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court's 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, whether or not associated with a state militia.

The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue.

http://www.aclu.org/crimjustic.../35904res20020304.html

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Darwin333
"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets"

-from Obama's Change.gov website (before they took it all down)

So are they stupid for believing what Obama says or are they stupid for not waiting until the bill, if there is one, is on his desk? Personally, I don't think the Dems are going to touch the gun issue for at least the next two years. It would piss off too many people that just voted for them while gaining them very few, if any, voters.

To be quite honest, I have no issue with banning assault rifles and I have heard all of the counter arguments so don't bother repeating them here. At the end of the day, I don't care and if you want to hate me for it then feel free. You also will not see me crying a river if nothing changes in that area because I just don't find it to be high on the list of priorities right now.

However, I will say that I would be very UNHAPPY if Obama decided to put this on his agenda in the next 4 years and I say that for one reason and one reason only. I believe that this country has much bigger fish to fry right now. Much bigger problems are at hand which require much bigger solutions and need much more time. I want him to be President for 8 years and I would really rather not have the man lose votes for a second term over people's overly obsessive feelings towards assault rifles.

Just for the record, an "assault rifle" is, by definition, a select-fire (i.e. full-auto or burst mode) rifle. These are currently banned and new civilian production has been banned since 1986. The AWB does not cover "assault rifles", in fact, it doesn't mention them at all.

ZV

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Gun sales were going up way before the elections. They've been going up since the economy has been going down.

Or rather, no one expected McCain to win the election.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Sigh...I really don't have an issue with people buying what they want or defending your right to own a firearm but seriously...you two take this way too far. You are obsessive and I question whether or not it is healthy.

I see, and if I showed you solid historic evidence that you could quadruple some other investment in 4 years, you wouldn't be the least interested? There's nothing wrong with making a little profit while being right.

2nd mortgage for guns is a retarded decision. I don't care how you slice it. Spending other money that has nothing to do with the roof over your head is different.

Actually I agree, and I really wouldn't double mortgage for it, but I would take out 50k or so using the house. That'd be enough to make bank, but not too much product to move, and wouldn't hurt me much even if the return was only even.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Honestly, I think the Democrats have learned their lesson about gun control and about the consequences for not supporting the Second Amendment. They'd be fools to revive any anti-gun actions now, and it would surprise me if they did. I for one, fully support our 2nd Amendment and have no problem with law-abiding citizens owning whatever weapon they want. I only wish the NRA supporters also supported the ACLU as much as I support both. After all, there's a lot of Amendments out there to defend, not just the 2nd.

I agree (although the 2A was formed to protect the rest of them), but the NRA and gun rights advocates are too much aligned with the Republican party. If you vote for 2A rights, you're invariably stuck voting for deficit spending, illegal wars, illegal wire tapping, no gay marriage, etc. It's sad, and it's the main reason I voted 3rd party this time around. I consider myself conservative, and I don't consider the Republican party to represent my views.

I think I may love you.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Xavier434
To be quite honest, I have no issue with banning assault rifles and I have heard all of the counter arguments so don't bother repeating them here. At the end of the day, I don't care and if you want to hate me for it then feel free. You also will not see me crying a river if nothing changes in that area because I just don't find it to be high on the list of priorities right now.

However, I will say that I would be very UNHAPPY if Obama decided to put this on his agenda in the next 4 years and I say that for one reason and one reason only. I believe that this country has much bigger fish to fry right now. Much bigger problems are at hand which require much bigger solutions and need much more time. I want him to be President for 8 years and I would really rather not have the man lose votes for a second term over people's overly obsessive feelings towards assault rifles.

Just for the record, an "assault rifle" is, by definition, a select-fire (i.e. full-auto or burst mode) rifle. These are currently banned and new civilian production has been banned since 1986. The AWB does not cover "assault rifles", in fact, it doesn't mention them at all.

ZV

Noted. Still doesn't change my position though.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Sigh...I really don't have an issue with people buying what they want or defending your right to own a firearm but seriously...you two take this way too far. You are obsessive and I question whether or not it is healthy.

I see, and if I showed you solid historic evidence that you could quadruple some other investment in 4 years, you wouldn't be the least interested? There's nothing wrong with making a little profit while being right.

2nd mortgage for guns is a retarded decision. I don't care how you slice it. Spending other money that has nothing to do with the roof over your head is different.

Even if you are against guns, there is plenty of money to be made right now. I buy USGI magazines for $11 a piece in lots of 25. Easily flipped for $14-$15. 27% markup for doing nothing? Oh yah. Just wish the distributor would drop-ship.

You've got to pay to play. Money doesn't make itself. I maxed out credit cards as I rent right now.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Sigh...I really don't have an issue with people buying what they want or defending your right to own a firearm but seriously...you two take this way too far. You are obsessive and I question whether or not it is healthy.

I see, and if I showed you solid historic evidence that you could quadruple some other investment in 4 years, you wouldn't be the least interested? There's nothing wrong with making a little profit while being right.

2nd mortgage for guns is a retarded decision. I don't care how you slice it. Spending other money that has nothing to do with the roof over your head is different.

Even if you are against guns, there is plenty of money to be made right now. I buy USGI magazines for $11 a piece in lots of 25. Easily flipped for $14-$15. 27% markup for doing nothing? Oh yah. Just wish the distributor would drop-ship.

You've got to pay to play. Money doesn't make itself. I maxed out credit cards as I rent right now.

First, I am not against guns. Second, I know you have to spend money to make money. I just think that it is dumb to put things like your home at risk when doing so considering there are many better options out there. Hasn't our recent economic crisis taught us anything about our homes and why we shouldn't put them at risk?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Buying Guns for a worsening Economy is stupid. That money is far more useful elsewhere, like Paying off Debt, upgrading one's Education/Training, Cash Reserves in case one loses their Job, stocking up on Food/Supplies, and other things.

Supplies such as guns and ammo?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: sandorski
Buying Guns for a worsening Economy is stupid. That money is far more useful elsewhere, like Paying off Debt, upgrading one's Education/Training, Cash Reserves in case one loses their Job, stocking up on Food/Supplies, and other things.

Supplies such as guns and ammo?

Which will gather dust, be used at a range, or resold if you are lucky enough to hit the market at the right time. To compare the necessity of food supplies to guns and ammo is utterly retarded. A sure sign of an unhealthy extremist obsession.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: NeoV
yah, cause so many of you need to have an AR-15, even though about .05% of you would have any idea of what to even do with one

you gun freaks never cease to amaze me with your one-sided view of this issue

while I completely agree that the previous assault-weapon ban was not nearly as well defined as it should have been, can you seriously tell me why people need to be able to buy weapons such as an AR-15?

You sound pretty ignorant on the subject. You think the AR-15 should be outlawed (with it's relatively small, not overly powerful .223 bullet). But most deer rifles can be semi-auto and use much more powerful rounds.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Xavier434
To be quite honest, I have no issue with banning assault rifles and I have heard all of the counter arguments so don't bother repeating them here. At the end of the day, I don't care and if you want to hate me for it then feel free. You also will not see me crying a river if nothing changes in that area because I just don't find it to be high on the list of priorities right now.

However, I will say that I would be very UNHAPPY if Obama decided to put this on his agenda in the next 4 years and I say that for one reason and one reason only. I believe that this country has much bigger fish to fry right now. Much bigger problems are at hand which require much bigger solutions and need much more time. I want him to be President for 8 years and I would really rather not have the man lose votes for a second term over people's overly obsessive feelings towards assault rifles.

Just for the record, an "assault rifle" is, by definition, a select-fire (i.e. full-auto or burst mode) rifle. These are currently banned and new civilian production has been banned since 1986. The AWB does not cover "assault rifles", in fact, it doesn't mention them at all.

ZV

Noted. Still doesn't change my position though.

That's fine. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the distinction.

It's amazing how many people believe that without the AWB people can just walk into stores and buy full-auto firearms and that simply isn't true (heck, it hasn't been true since 1936 when full-auto firearms became regulated and required a lengthy permit process, registration, and expensive tax payment). Some people see an AR-15 and assume, just because it looks similar to a military M16, it must operate the same way.

ZV

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Noted. Still doesn't change my position though.

That's fine. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the distinction.

It's amazing how many people believe that without the AWB people can just walk into stores and buy full-auto firearms and that simply isn't true (heck, it hasn't been true since 1936 when full-auto firearms became regulated and required a lengthy permit process, registration, and expensive tax payment). Some people see an AR-15 and assume, just because it looks similar to a military M16, it must operate the same way.

ZV

I would like people to understand that there is a distinction between what Obama wants and those who want to ban the vast majority of fire arms. Right now, there is very little information and what we do have is vague across many issues. Those who do not support Obama are trying desperately to fill the gaps in the puzzle with speculation and it is causing a lot of people to get scared which I think is both unhealthy and unnecessary for the country at this point. They really just need to sit back and be much more patient instead of allowing their panties to get all tied up in a knot.

Personally, I think that the biggest thing that Obama wants to do is just try and close loopholes that allow criminals to obtain these weapons illegally. I would rather see more focus on that then anything else and I really believe that is where the focus will be.

 

[NeoV]

I agree Slow - my mistake - I'm more concerned with higher-caliber weapons, like .50 caliber rifles...though to be honest I'm not sure why people need AR-15's and the like, I'm not at all calling for a ban on them