Gotta Love the FUD!

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: SuperSix

Originally posted by: Atheus
All of that is true. Stuff like "Intel Integrated Graphics are inferior" is slightly misleading as AMD does not make graphics, but it's not a lie, intel integrated is inferior to almost everything.

And what do you mean "from a disty point of view"? There's plenty of AMD stuff around. In fact, I have an Opteron 146 and an XP 2100 sitting here - wanna buy a processor?

Intel integrated graphics have a place - they are fine for the majority of desktop users, as evidenced by their huge market share. Would I use it? Hell no, but again, it has it's place. And wiith the new X3000 series being Vista Premium Ready, they will quite possibly gain even more market share.

As far as the AMD shortage, it IS happening, just not on a level you (or the general consumer) can see yet. I'm not talking about not having 1-2 procs, I mean that there are major distys with near zero X2 procs in stock. (939 *and* AM2, FX62 still has decent inventory levels) The etailers (major ones) still have stock, but it will be getting VERY tight VERY soon. After the channel dries uo (ie now), they will get them from brokers, (Not AMD direct) and then the supply will tighten. There's far from "plenty" available.

I deal with 4 distys every day...sorry but wherever you're getting your info, it's pure FUD. Supplies on AMD are excellent (except the 5000+). Two of the distys I work with are launch partners (direct from AMD), and to top it off I'm in Australia (where parts are ALWAYS hard to get) and the supply is just fine...
I think someone is misinforming you.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: E6600's are now in stock in most disty warehouses...
Asus has confirmed with me that the NF590 boards will be shipping in Mid September, and there's nearly NO X2's (Either 939 or AM2 sitting in any tier1/2 disty warehouses.

And they are not selling. Could it be because people are finding out about the Idle/load temp being so high.
Why do you think Dell decided to go AMD at the time of conroe's hoop la?
Well because Dell is in trouble these days facing recalls of laptops and explosion issues. Meachle took a hard look at the situation and figured he can not afford another round of exploding laptops involving the new Intel's core Architecture. Check the top sellers in any etailer and you see AMD occupies 9 out of 10 top selling CPU's.
The Intel's aggressive guerrilla marketing finally backfires.
Take a look at A64 4400 x2 undervolted but overclocked and take a look at MBM5 load temp . Can Conroe do that? no. A good reason why End Users still buy AMD and can not trust buying conroe. I also think Anandtech has severely damaged it's credentials, promoting these conroes so much (remeber the king article?) but deliberately avoiding any mention of "HEAT". A "Hot King" is born couldn't have been a much suited title.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1394/08312006015849hm8.jpg

 

[harpoon84]

Hey look everybody, OcHungry is back!

Damn, thought you would never return dude! Hows the SuperPi test going?

 

[SuperSix]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: SuperSix
E6600's are now in stock in most disty warehouses...
Asus has confirmed with me that the NF590 boards will be shipping in Mid September, and there's nearly NO X2's (Either 939 or AM2 sitting in any tier1/2 disty warehouses.

If you're going to lie about things, at least make it something that is hard, or better yet, impossible to prove.:roll: Not one singe E6600 at the nation's largest reseller. >>>>Not a single A64 out of stock at the same etailer.

Reading comprehension FTW?
From my post JUST above yours:
"The etailers (major ones) still have stock, but it will be getting VERY tight VERY soon. After the channel dries uo (ie now), they will get them from brokers, (Not AMD direct) and then the supply will tighten."

And Newegg will have E6600's in in the next few days - the product is in the warehouse of at least one of their distributors, the order needs to be processed. Don't forget the low demand for E6600's as well.

Originally posted by: Viditor
I deal with 4 distys every day...sorry but wherever you're getting your info, it's pure FUD. Supplies on AMD are excellent (except the 5000+). Two of the distys I work with are launch partners (direct from AMD), and to top it off I'm in Australia (where parts are ALWAYS hard to get) and the supply is just fine...
I think someone is misinforming you.

Are these American-based distys? I get this info from our inventory, I work for one of the bigger disty's in the US, and have confirmed the tight AMD supply with 2 other Tier1 disty's in the US.
We have large amounts of C2D arriving everyday, but no AMD shipments.

Once again - as I said before (and obviously some missed, regarding AMD availability):
"The etailers (major ones) still have stock, but it will be getting VERY tight VERY soon. After the channel dries uo (ie now), they will get them from brokers, (Not AMD direct) and then the supply will tighten."

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: SuperSix

Are these American-based distys? I get this info from our inventory, I work for one of the bigger disty's in the US, and have confirmed the tight AMD supply with 2 other Tier1 disty's in the US.
We have large amounts of C2D arriving everyday, but no AMD shipments.

Once again - as I said before (and obviously some missed, regarding AMD availability):
"The etailers (major ones) still have stock, but it will be getting VERY tight VERY soon. After the channel dries uo (ie now), they will get them from brokers, (Not AMD direct) and then the supply will tighten."

I deal directly with one Tier 1 disty in the US (launch partner), one in the UK, and 2 here in Oz (I do consulting and design for the TV industry among other things). As you can imagine, I am always checking to make sure availability is there...
I also do a significant amount of Tech investing, so I am constantly checking the supply channel for that reason as well.
I think what might be happening is that ordering at your company has been cut back because they are waiting to see how demand will occur...remember that inventory is death!

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: OcHungryAnd they are not selling. Could it be because people are finding out about the Idle/load temp being so high.
Why do you think Dell decided to AMD at the time of conroe's hoop la?
Well because Dell is in trouble these days facing recalls of laptops and explosion issues. Mickle took a hard look at the situation and figure he can not afford another round of exploding laptops involving the new Intel's core Architecture. Check the top sellers in any etailer and you see AMD occupies 9 out of 10 top selling CPU's.
The Intel's aggressive guerrilla marketing finally backfiring.
Take a look at at A64 4400 x2 undervolted but overclocked and take a look at lMBM5 load temp . Can Conroe do that? no. A good reason why End Users still buy AMD and can trust buying conroe. I also think Anandtech has severely damaged it's credentials, promoting these conroes so much (remeber the king article?) but deliberately avoiding any mention of "HEAT". A "Hot King" is born couldn't have been a much suited title.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1394/08312006015849hm8.jpg

Putting your response in italics isn't gonna make your crap look like gold. Your nonsense about Conroe ruined any remaining residue of credibility that you had.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: zsdersw
Putting your response in italics isn't gonna make your crap look like gold. Your nonsense about Conroe ruined any remaining residue of credibility that you had.

I think OcHungry might be Dothan in a new suit.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: harpoon84
Hey look everybody, OcHungry is back!

Damn, thought you would never return dude! Hows the SuperPi test going?

If you are refering to the challenging one of anandtech reviewer who claimed to have bought a retail 6400, for your info, that was a bate to trap the guy. Sure enough it worked and the guy went for it head first. The purpose for traping him was to expose his lie about him buying a retail version which was a lie. Show me any one who bought retail 6400 that can do super super pi 32M like he did. None. Notice also he never said anything about his chip's temp. Why do you guys kid yourself? A month has past and didnt take long for people to realize these conroes are turnning out just like no seller preseler.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
If you are refering to the challenging one of anandtech reviewer who claimed to have bought a retail 6400, for your info, that was a bate to trap the guy. Sure enough it worked and the guy went for it head first. The purpose for traping him was to expose his lie about him buying a retail version which was a lie. Show me any one who bought retail 6400 that can do super super pi 32M like he did. None. Notice also he never said anything about his chip's temp. Why do you guys kid yourself? A month has past and didnt take long for people to realize these conroes are turnning out just like no seller preseler.

Nice job of beating around the bush.

You can't spell, can't craft a coherent sentence, and come off as exactly what you are... a troll.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: OcHungryAnd they are not selling. Could it be because people are finding out about the Idle/load temp being so high.
Why do you think Dell decided to AMD at the time of conroe's hoop la?
Well because Dell is in trouble these days facing recalls of laptops and explosion issues. Mickle took a hard look at the situation and figure he can not afford another round of exploding laptops involving the new Intel's core Architecture. Check the top sellers in any etailer and you see AMD occupies 9 out of 10 top selling CPU's.
The Intel's aggressive guerrilla marketing finally backfiring.
Take a look at at A64 4400 x2 undervolted but overclocked and take a look at lMBM5 load temp . Can Conroe do that? no. A good reason why End Users still buy AMD and can trust buying conroe. I also think Anandtech has severely damaged it's credentials, promoting these conroes so much (remeber the king article?) but deliberately avoiding any mention of "HEAT". A "Hot King" is born couldn't have been a much suited title.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1394/08312006015849hm8.jpg

Putting your response in italics isn't gonna make your crap look like gold. Your nonsense about Conroe ruined any remaining residue of credibility that you had.

What italic? get a new eye exam.
What part of my statement you didn't like or disagree? that these conroes are hot? or they are not selling?
The heat issue is what I read here and everywhere by those who have bought this chip.
The not selling, is based on etailer and read it in the net. I suppose you are in denial, and cant believe how gullible you were breaking the piggy bank. Now don?t loose your mind on this, It's only a chip and you didn?t loose the house in a poker game. But the agony persist I now. It was a sure bet that turned sour.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
First, do you have a link ?

Next, most all of that is true, at least the part about Pentium D being junk (at least compared to X2 and Conroe), the product mix and availability. The socket changes, the MCM approach and more are also true. There is some questionable back slapping going on though.

The AMD Opteron, Athlon, Turion and Sempron processors reside on a flexible and select few number of sockets, which translates to easier customer upgrades and platform transitions. This customer-centric socket strategy combined with proven price/performance-per-watt benefits minimizes the total cost of ownership. Upgradeability to next year?s quad-core processor introduction of AMD Opteron is a key proof point of this unique value proposition.

This is true?
Compared to AMD who are still giving us 754 processors, with 939 available for a limited time too, as well as AM2, plus seperate sockets for mobile and server chips?
Whereas Intel has 775, and seperate server/mobile chips (mobiles being drop in compatible, while IIRC AMD are planning to release a new mobile socket soon).
Plus I think Intel are supposed to have drop in quad core support (although we will have to see if it really works mobo/chipset wise).

Also, it's hard to take this seriously if they tout their EE processors as being great and better than Intel, while lambasting Intel for poor availability, when EE's aren't particularly available. I can go to some websites and see "In stock" listed for C2D, but no listing at all, not even pre-order for EE processors from AMD.

 

[450R]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
omg teh amD is pwnz0r teh iNtel inside and outside !!1 peanut butter jelly time peanut butter jelly time !!%

Dell has always been the staple of latest technology and high performance. :roll: They stay behind the curve for a reason and it obviously has nothing to do with heat or they wouldn't have used half the P4 line like they did.

The only issue with C2D right now is poor motherboard/chipset options and funky BIOS support. Availability isn't the best but it was expected and predicted.

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: OcHungry
If you are refering to the challenging one of anandtech reviewer who claimed to have bought a retail 6400, for your info, that was a bate to trap the guy. Sure enough it worked and the guy went for it head first. The purpose for traping him was to expose his lie about him buying a retail version which was a lie. Show me any one who bought retail 6400 that can do super super pi 32M like he did. None. Notice also he never said anything about his chip's temp. Why do you guys kid yourself? A month has past and didnt take long for people to realize these conroes are turnning out just like no seller preseler.

Nice job of beating around the bush.

You can't spell, can't craft a coherent sentence, and come off as exactly what you are... a troll.

Talking about beating around the bush? And my grammer or English is the subject of concern here? and has a direct relation to conroe's poor heat issue?
Even if I have a weakness in english language (my 5th language to learn) I have no problem reading the concern (and anguesh) people are expressing about their conroe purchase. Dont you see?

 

[lopri]

Could we let this thread die? I hate to see this thread taking up the valuable first page screen estate.

OCHungry: Yes, Conroes can be undervolted and achieve similar temperatures as what you showed. Regarding Gary's OC'ing report - Note that toying with hardware is part of his job. It is expected his OC'ing is and should be a couple hundred MHz higher than ours. Remember that he has lots of hardware at his disposal to help aid OC'ing and we know many hardware tests were done on a test bench, not inside of a case. Also he shared his results in the forum here under his name. When was the last time you saw an AT reviewer participate in the forum and share the (albeit little and sketchyl) insider knowledge? As for official reviews, He doesn't only writes about Conroes. Indeed he's currently the most productive author in AT to my eyes.

I love Opteron system and it's still my main rig (and it will be for forseable future). At 3.0GHz everything is instantaneous I call BS for claims such as "Conroe opens Windows faster, etc." And yes it runs cooler than Conroe but my Opteron is a single-core so it isn't a valid comparison. Dual-core A64 is just hot as Conroe, but at lower frequency.

Let's kill this thread. From the beginning the original post didn't make any sense. OP's claim regarding availability / AMD being in bed with Dell therefore abandoning retailers, etc. - what does it have to do with the "proof" he provided? I fail to see any co-relation. He should have brought us a valid proof or made a different claim that relates to the letter. Otherwise the post is nothing more than a flame bait, or FUD, as we all can see now.

(Hope my post will help let this thread die )

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
What italic? get a new eye exam.
What part of my statement you didn't like or disagree? that these conroes are hot? or they are not selling?
The heat issue is what I read here and everywhere by those who have bought this chip.
The not selling, is based on etailer and read it in the net. I suppose you are in denial, and cant believe how gullible you were breaking the piggy bank. Now don?t loose your mind on this, It's only a chip and you didn?t loose the house in a poker game. But the agony persist I now. It was a sure bet that turned sour.

Look at your original post.. it's right above Harpoon84's "Hey look everybody, OcHungry is back!" post.. and it's definitely in italics.

I bought a 6300 and haven't had any heat issues.. and many other people haven't had any either.

If building a new computer with a C2D 6300 and retiring my old Northwood 2.4 is "gullible", I'd hate to imagine what *your* situation would be called.

 

[Gary Key]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: harpoon84
Hey look everybody, OcHungry is back!

Damn, thought you would never return dude! Hows the SuperPi test going?

If you are refering to the challenging one of anandtech reviewer who claimed to have bought a retail 6400, for your info, that was a bate to trap the guy. Sure enough it worked and the guy went for it head first. The purpose for traping him was to expose his lie about him buying a retail version which was a lie. Show me any one who bought retail 6400 that can do super super pi 32M like he did. None. Notice also he never said anything about his chip's temp. Why do you guys kid yourself? A month has past and didnt take long for people to realize these conroes are turnning out just like no seller preseler.

The chip in question is a retail part purchased from TigerDirect. The performance numbers are in perfect alignment with any other E6400, stock or overclocked. The temp at overclock was 31c idle, 52c load, not any real difference from my 3800+ X2 when overclocked. Your continuing FUD about Conroe's temperature issues reminds me of your performance claims in the early summer that turned out to be false also. Please give it a break and if you cannot say something constructive or assist someone with an issue then take your FUD to the Off Topic area.

Here is a screen shot of the TigerDirect invoice- TigerDirect Invoice

 

[goinginstyle]

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: harpoon84
Hey look everybody, OcHungry is back!

Damn, thought you would never return dude! Hows the SuperPi test going?

If you are refering to the challenging one of anandtech reviewer who claimed to have bought a retail 6400, for your info, that was a bate to trap the guy. Sure enough it worked and the guy went for it head first. The purpose for traping him was to expose his lie about him buying a retail version which was a lie. Show me any one who bought retail 6400 that can do super super pi 32M like he did. None. Notice also he never said anything about his chip's temp. Why do you guys kid yourself? A month has past and didnt take long for people to realize these conroes are turnning out just like no seller preseler.

Here is a screen shot of the TigerDirect invoice- TigerDirect Invoice

OcHungry gets owned again. :laugh: