Gotta Love the FUD!

SuperSix

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I don't even know where to start..

Think it's hard getting a Core2Duo? Try getting ANYTHING from AMD (From a disty point of view), As they have given the channel a big FU, shipping all of their product to Dell. What a nice way to thank the channel for helping them grow over all these years.

Mark my words, AMD C2 especially will become sparse very soon.

BEGIN FUD EMAIL

Straight from AMD:

Current AMD NPRP Input to Top Reviewers

Availability: AMD has an incredible ecosystem readily available for the enthusiast ? terrific motherboards, chipsets, product availability, etc. Intel cannot say this for Conroe and scrutiny of Intel availability grows. SLI motherboard availability is minimal; Conroe processors themselves are still scarce.
Bottom Line: Enthusiasts cannot buy, build and upgrade systems with Conroe to the full degree they enjoy with FX.

Span of solutions to suit our customers? needs: AMD has a wide choice of processors:
? from budget CPUs to high-end performance CPUs for desktop, SFF, mobile and server/workstation; and
? from standard power to the lowest levels of power consumption.

The AMD Opteron, Athlon, Turion and Sempron processors reside on a flexible and select few number of sockets, which translates to easier customer upgrades and platform transitions. This customer-centric socket strategy combined with proven price/performance-per-watt benefits minimizes the total cost of ownership. Upgradeability to next year?s quad-core processor introduction of AMD Opteron is a key proof point of this unique value proposition.

The competition, however, has a recent track record of excessive chipset and socket changes, often with a product family simultaneously straddling multiple incompatible sockets and/or chipsets. This creates unnecessary complexity in system image management and migration for IT organizations, and it increases the difficulty of planning upgrades and platform transitions. The MCM (multi-chip module) approach the competition chose for its first 4-core-per-socket solution will exacerbate issue.

Gaming Performance: The higher the resolution you play at (example: 1600x1200 and beyond), the more parity you see between Intel Conroe and AMD FX and X2 processors. Most gamers play at higher resolutions than are used in comparative CPU benchmarking, which means the gaming experience is increasingly GPU-dependent.
Bottom Line: Comparing high-resolution gaming with a high-end graphics card(s) on an AMD platform versus an equal Conroe platform yields similar frame rates and a similar experience.

Intel CPU Product Mix / BEWARE old Intel chips: Pentium 4 and Pentium D products, which will still likely account for about 85% of Intel's mainstream desktop sales in Q3 and about 75% in Q4 of 2006**, are taking a severe beating in reviews. In Conroe reviews, journalists openly criticize Pentium 4 and Pentium D as ?antiques,? "garbage" and "junk." Pentium processors greatly trail AMD64 processors in performance and power efficiency.
Bottom Line: Journalists should warn buyers to avoid Pentium 4 and Pentium D products.
**Source: DailyTech.com: http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1820

Intel Integrated Graphics are inferior:
Gaming performance on the Intel 945G, 946GZ and upcoming 965G integrated graphics platform is unacceptably poor. Gaming is hindered by much reduced graphic performance compared to AM2 integrated graphics solutions from partners like ATI and nVIDIA. Also, there are many games that these Intel platforms will not run at all. This is VERY important because the vast majority of retail Intel PCs have integrated graphics, and probably half (or more) of those are Intel integrated graphics.
Bottom Line: Journalists should warn buyers to avoid PCs with Intel integrated graphics for anything but the most mundane computing tasks.

Power Consumption: For the energy-conscious consumer or enthusiast, Athlon 64 X2 EE 35w and 65w parts show lower power consumption numbers compared to Conroe (albeit at reduced performance levels).

Price/Performance: With the recent price move, AMD?s pricing strategy positions AMD more competitively against Conroe. AMD has promised to remain competitive with regard to the price/performance ratio of our products.

4X4: For enthusiasts looking for the ultimate ?mega-tasking? platform built for a multi-core, multi-threaded, multi-GPU future, 4x4 is coming with a clear upgrade path to 8-cores.



Hardware Review Trends

? Athlon 64 X2 EE reviews are popping up and showing lower power consumption numbers compared to Conroe, but with reduced performance levels. AMD is seen as the technology leader for lower power desktop processors.
? Athlon 64 is a time-proven platform that is available today.
? New AMD pricing strategy positions AMD more competitively against Conroe.
? Pentium 4 and Pentium D products are taking a severe beating in regards to reviewer approval.


*Our internal testing shows that our Next-Generation AMD Opteron? (Revision F) processors based-platforms in an ?apples-to-apples? configuration tend to consume less total system power than the competitions {~11% Opteron advantage (80W vs. 95W),~4% Opteron advantage (65W vs. 95W) }
 

imported_RedStar

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they are right on the top part.

I am still waiting for the e6600 to show up...and will have to pay an e6600 price instead for an e6400 substitute.

The boards for sli are non existant right now (nforce 4? no thanks. Wait for nvidia to unlock sli in the 975x? pass). The picture will hopefully change in a few weeks.

I have waited for conroe for six months. I will wait a few more weeks and settle for allendale.

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It is funny they should start harping about single GPU limitations now :)

and 4x4? we can't even efficiently use dual core yet :)
 

jonnyGURU

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LOL!

I have to admit, I use AMD, but that is a bunch of FUD.
 

Markfw

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First, do you have a link ?

Next, most all of that is true, at least the part about Pentium D being junk (at least compared to X2 and Conroe), the product mix and availability. The socket changes, the MCM approach and more are also true. There is some questionable back slapping going on though.
 

SuperSix

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Originally posted by: RedStar
they are right on the top part.

I am still waiting for the e6600 to show up...and will have to pay an e6600 price instead for an e6400 substitute.

The boards for sli are non existant right now (nforce 4? no thanks. Wait for nvidia to unlock sli in the 975x? pass). The picture will hopefully change in a few weeks.

I have waited for conroe for six months. I will wait a few more weeks and settle for allendale.

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It is funny they should start harping about single GPU limitations now :)

and 4x4? we can't even efficiently use dual core yet :)

E6600's are now in stock in most disty warehouses...
Asus has confirmed with me that the NF590 boards will be shipping in Mid September, and there's nearly NO X2's (Either 939 or AM2 sitting in any tier1/2 disty warehouses.
 

SuperSix

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Originally posted by: Markfw900
First, do you have a link ?

Next, most all of that is true, at least the part about Pentium D being junk (at least compared to X2 and Conroe), the product mix and availability. The socket changes, the MCM approach and more are also true. There is some questionable back slapping going on though.

No - I do not. It was forwarded to me by one of my customers, and I don't want to lose my job.

Many will vouch - I don't post things that aren't true.
 

n7

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Every company spreads internal FUD...how is this surprising?
 

n7

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Resellers.

Not you & i.

That's internal, at least to an extent.

How exactly does this affect you anyway that it causes you such grief :confused:
 

SuperSix

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Originally posted by: n7
Resellers.

Not you & i.

That's internal, at least to an extent.

How exactly does this affect you anyway that it causes you such grief :confused:

Not really grief - it's just misleading. It indicates the C2D is impossible to find (Not true) and that AMD CPUs are overflowing. Both statements are false.

 

imported_RedStar

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"E6600's are now in stock in most disty warehouses"

i should have been more clear...I live in Canada, eh. and all my local stores have no e6600's just the e6300/6400.

and ya i know the boards are coming in a few weeks..which is why i said i would wait a few weeks ..but i was ambiguous tackin on the allendale comment. I ment i will get the e6400 if there are still no e6600's by the time the 590 boards show up.


newegg has a 570 board eta on 4th of sept.
 

nyker96

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Well, all this talk is fine for now, it's like Intel when they had Pentium D and tried to discredit AMD's A64s. But sooner or later you need some real chips to back up your position. In 1/2 year's time Intel would have ramped up C2D production so much pretty much all you gonna see is conroes and its derivatives. Now that would be a real killer for AMD if they still haven't got some form of winner to compete, instead of just an empty flatform like AM2 to hold people over.
 

ahock

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is it true that pentium is crap compared to apple-to-apple AMD counterpart when you factor price/performance/watt?

I saw THG chart seems pentium and pentiumD is not that bad after all.....
 

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Well at least Intel is not the only company that knows how to make a few white lies. I'm actually happy that AMD opened its mouth. Doesn't really matter though. It all comes down to brand loyality for the most part.

Even though the 1600x1200 and up agrument is really a cheap shot.
 

Pabster

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AMD doesn't really have a choice right now.

Chipzilla has struck back with a vengeance, and AMD is left with their pants down. At least for the forseeable future.

4x4 isn't going to do much for them. Until K8L, then we'll see.
 

lopri

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Although AMD is probably not in a position to say such things, I believe the above mentioned are mostly true? Also how does it related to your forewords - availability and Dell, etc.?
 

lopri

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Originally posted by: ahock
is it true that pentium is crap compared to apple-to-apple AMD counterpart when you factor price/performance/watt?

I saw THG chart seems pentium and pentiumD is not that bad after all.....

Oh yes. I had a Pentium D 930 overclocked to 4.0GHz. It more or less matches with X2 4400+/4600+ at stock speed. From there you can easily guess perf/watt.
 

SuperSix

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Originally posted by: lopri
Although AMD is probably not in a position to say such things, I believe the above mentioned are mostly true? Also how does it related to your forewords - availability and Dell, etc.?

I made the Dell reference because in the FUD above, they are making jabs @ Intel for C2D availability, yet there's VERY few X2 CPUs available from distributors. There's still come in the channel, and at mass etailers, but the supply is dwindling very quickly, and the scuttlebut is that AMD is feeding Dell all that they can make. After the channel spent years helping AMD grow, they are turning their back to side w/Dell.
 

Atheus

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All of that is true. Stuff like "Intel Integrated Graphics are inferior" is slightly misleading as AMD does not make graphics, but it's not a lie, intel integrated is inferior to almost everything.

And what do you mean "from a disty point of view"? There's plenty of AMD stuff around. In fact, I have an Opteron 146 and an XP 2100 sitting here - wanna buy a processor?
 

harpoon84

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The gaming part is pretty funny, considering I remember AMDs very own charts (at amd.com) testing the A64 @ 1024 x 768 w AA/AF off to show it's superiority to P4 in gaming. Funny they didn't test at '1600 x 1200 or above' when they were ahead eh? ;)

In fairness the email does raise some valid points, obviously spun so as to sound rosy for AMD (what did you expect? :p ).

It's all business at the end of the day, AMD has to look after their bottom line and if this simple email will steal even 0.1% marketshare from Intel, then it'll have served it's purpose.

We enthusiasts know what's what, so it makes little difference what FUD companies try to shove down our throats.
 

SuperSix

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Originally posted by: Atheus
All of that is true. Stuff like "Intel Integrated Graphics are inferior" is slightly misleading as AMD does not make graphics, but it's not a lie, intel integrated is inferior to almost everything.

And what do you mean "from a disty point of view"? There's plenty of AMD stuff around. In fact, I have an Opteron 146 and an XP 2100 sitting here - wanna buy a processor?


Intel integrated graphics have a place - they are fine for the majority of desktop users, as evidenced by their huge market share. Would I use it? Hell no, but again, it has it's place. And wiith the new X3000 series being Vista Premium Ready, they will quite possibly gain even more market share.

As far as the AMD shortage, it IS happening, just not on a level you (or the general consumer) can see yet. I'm not talking about not having 1-2 procs, I mean that there are major distys with near zero X2 procs in stock. (939 *and* AM2, FX62 still has decent inventory levels) The etailers (major ones) still have stock, but it will be getting VERY tight VERY soon. After the channel dries uo (ie now), they will get them from brokers, (Not AMD direct) and then the supply will tighten. There's far from "plenty" available.
 

DrMrLordX

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Hooray for spin and damage control. Email like this shows AMD just hasn't got a strong enough chip to compete with Core 2 Duo. Of course, we already knew that.

AMD has to do what they can to keep channel partners happy, which is probably difficult what with Dell soaking up so many of thier chips.
 

n19htmare

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http://www.chipsandmemory.com/

Local store. Have E6300, E6400, E6600, E6700. All in stock......
It's quiet sad, AMD has nothing to match C2D on performance and Power Consumtion so the last hope they have is attacking the supply which is NOT THAT BAD.

 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: SuperSix
E6600's are now in stock in most disty warehouses...
Asus has confirmed with me that the NF590 boards will be shipping in Mid September, and there's nearly NO X2's (Either 939 or AM2 sitting in any tier1/2 disty warehouses.
If you're going to lie about things, at least make it something that is hard, or better yet, impossible to prove.:roll: Not one singe E6600 at the nation's largest reseller. >>>>Not a single A64 out of stock at the same etailer.