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Gothic 4(Confirmed!)
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imported_Imp
Diamond Member
Count me out.
Mem
Lifer
Was that worth posting? 😕 .
Gothic 1 was brilliant,G2 was good,and G3 with the latest community patches is decent enough,giving Gothic 4 to a new development team I think is a step in the right direction and hopefully they will come up with new ideas to make the game great,only time and reviews will tell.
Yes I'll probably be buying it(I'm a RPG junkie),somebody needs to support PC gaming 😉 .
manowar821
Diamond Member
lmao.
Mem
Lifer
Unfortunately there are quite a few games that have had community patches let alone G3 which was not the first and for sure won't be the last,anyway G4 is a whole new ball game, so lets hope the future is good for G4.
Also somebody needs to make a protection system that players are happy with and can play their legal game without hassle or problems,I wish there was a community patch for that,unfortunately companies don't listen 😉.
imported_Imp
Diamond Member
It was...thought you'd be tired of my incessant b!tching from the original Gothic 3 thread, but if you want my lengthier opinion:
Count me out.
Gothic 3 was a disappointment from beginning to end. Right off the bat the bugs were hideously apparent. The fighting system is and was complete garbage, and turned into a sloppy hack and slash. I will NEVER forget being raped by a wolf at all levels that managed to string 50 attacks together, disrupting all my vain attempts to block/counter. I can't count the times I had to reload because of that. I will also not forget the moment I was able to wield a poleaxe. I became god with a 10 foot pole. Not only was the fighting system a disappointment, there were a number of technical issues. No other game I played in a 1 year "radius" surrounding Gothic 3 caused more BSODs on my very stable, stock system.
The story was meh. Every quest essentially turned into the same grind: do a few kill/fed ex quests, liberate town, rape and pillage town, on to next. I went through every inch of the main forest region, most of the arctic region and was so jaded by the time I got to the desert I blazed through it. Too long and too much of the same.
You mention the latest "community" patches make it decent. Umm... why the hell didn't "official" patches make it decent? Why not the initial release? I didn't pay the full retail price to wait around on a half finished POS that was "broken" by design or just poorly designed to begin with. If I waited, I could have got it for the $10 it's selling now at the local BB and FS.
So... why shoul I even bother supporting JoWood or even have faith in their design decisions after the travesty called Gothic 3?
P.S.: I LOVED Gothic 2. The combat system, story were all top-notch. I was expecting more of the same. Too bad I didn't have low expectations. Hey, maybe my expectations will be so low this time around, I'll reconsider it.
Mem
Lifer
G4 is a new game with new developers so any comments you make to G3 are not really valid, besides if you are not going to buy or are not interested in the game then do you really even need to post in this thread ?
I'm not having a go at you just making a comment,ie if I see a thread of a game I don't like or not interested in then I don't bother posting since its not productive if you see my point.
imported_Imp
Diamond Member
I'll admit that I didn't see the change in developers, but the past does still matter. By keeping the name alone, the new devs will be looking at the old games in the series thoroughly and decide what to keep/discard. Right now, the reputation of the series is in the garbage thanks to the old dev. The new dev will be influenced by this negatively or positively depending on how things work out.
Edit: Read announcement again. Jowood is the publisher again, so they will oversee/have a say in the development of Gothic 4. If they let Gothic 3 ship, then there is more than enough reason to be concerned about the quality of Gothic 4 due to the previous installment's shoddy reputation.
Okie doke, you have your point. I'll leave this thread to the "OMG, I'm so excited.", the "Ya, I was waiting for this", the "I can't wait till it comes out." or the "I hope they include this". Maybe I'm not being productive in the positive sense, but this announcement was thought provoking, bringing back some very negative memories. If that's not worth a comment, I don't think we need forums anymore.
Edit: Read announcement again. Jowood is the publisher again, so they will oversee/have a say in the development of Gothic 4. If they let Gothic 3 ship, then there is more than enough reason to be concerned about the quality of Gothic 4 due to the previous installment's shoddy reputation.
Okie doke, you have your point. I'll leave this thread to the "OMG, I'm so excited.", the "Ya, I was waiting for this", the "I can't wait till it comes out." or the "I hope they include this". Maybe I'm not being productive in the positive sense, but this announcement was thought provoking, bringing back some very negative memories. If that's not worth a comment, I don't think we need forums anymore.
DaveSimmons
Elite Member
It will come from the same publisher that released G3 unfinished then abandoned it, so criticism based on G3 seems appropriate.
Just like if there's ever a new RPG from LucasArts it will be fair to bring up their mishandling of KOTOR 2 regardless of which development team is working on it.
Dumac
Diamond Member
Gothic 3 was pretty horrible. I'm a great RPG fan, but I couldn't stand Gothic 3. The game is hideously broken without serious patching; what company let's a game ship like that? Not to mention, like IMP said, the game itself was flawed beyond technical bugs.
Worst $50 I spent in a long time.
Worst $50 I spent in a long time.
tuteja1986
Diamond Member
No it wasn't :! your a newbie :! the game was very hard to get into but all the major western RPG developer love the game.
See i hated the game at 1st but after few hrs i loved the game and it was so much better than Oblivion. Oblivion i played over 150hrs including both expansion.
Also Tod howard , Muzyka and other RPG developer have gone on record in saying how much they like gothic 3. Maybe you should try to play the game bit more than just giving up after hr or so because the game is awesome and your a newbie in open end rpg theme.
http://au.gamespot.com/video/9...uzyka-behind-the-games >> watch this
forward to : 10min 20sec in
Dumac
Diamond Member
Haha, I'm a newbie in the sandbox genre? Did you not read what I said? The game is basically unplayable unless you look past so many glaring bugs and flaws. Almost all the reviewers I've read agree, giving the game mediocre scores (the highest from esteemed reviewers being around 8 or so I believe).
Also, I disliked Oblivion as well, but that was even worse of a disappointment because my dislike stemmed from content and lack of depth rather than design flaws (for the most point). Daggerfall and Morrowind were great, in my opinion, but Oblivion lacked most of the benefits of it's predecessors. I dropped the game after two weeks (50 or so hours) when I played Morrowind for at least 350+ hours. Oblivion also wasn't that enjoyable without painful amounts of modding.
In no way am I'm a noob to the "open rpg" genre. Perhaps you should halt a little before calling someone out when you know so little about them. Heck, the first game I played (when I was ten) was an MMORPG, which isn't the same but it's close. I've always considered picking up Gothic II, since many fans and reviewers found it superior to it's predecessor and because I love the genre.
PS: I didn't watch your link.
I'm pretty distrustful of anything JoWooD does at this point. Their public fight with the developers really pissed me off. I am glad that I waited over 6 months to buy this game in May and still have not played it yet. I was waiting for the supposed patch that never appeared like everybody else. When I read about the legal battle and the cancellation of the patch I put the game in the closet. I'll check on the "community Patch" in a few weeks or months and then take a shot at it. I am glad I paid $19 for this game and will not buy the next one at release after the last fiasco.
^ I agree with this man.
I also don't know how many damn times I was killed by animals that could string a billion attacks together. I played the game until I was like... probably level 20, and a damn wolf could still kill me unless I shot it with an arrow or used magic on it. So, if I couldn't see a wolf behind a tree and then it hit me, I was screwed.
shortylickens
No Lifer
I didnt like Gothic 3 or Elder Scrolls 4, but I'd give sequels a chance just because there's a dearth of quality RPG's lately.
The code was unoptimized too. Game pauses far too often (BTW, I have 2 gig memory & e6600). The questing log was pathetic as was the map. This game played like it was the first iteration of a startup developer rather than the third of a series from a team who knew what they were doing.
imported_Imp
Diamond Member
Ugh.. Thanks for reminding me. I remember those "pauses" very clearly. They happened just by walking past an invisible load-zone boundary. Everyime I paused, it was a gamble whether I would BSOD, crash to desktop or come out cleanly. Each one was gut wrenching too: they took at least 30 seconds and up to 2 minutes sometimes depending on the area. I started watching my HDD LED; once it stopped turning on continuously, I knew I was screwed and started mashing alt-f4 and ctrl-alt-del.
Gothic 4 will either be complete crap cause the new developer doesn't know what it's doing and tries to make a clone, or it will be a "gem" cause they've done a complete overhaul. I'm hoping for option 2 because the original vision is dead and tarnished. As much as I liked Gothic 2, it was pretty flawed to begin with (i.e. fight control/lock on, no doors, very few movable objects, non-immersive world, etc.).
Gothic 1 had terrible controls and a small world, Gothic 2 was buggy, Gothic 3 was buggy, that is pretty much exactly how the series has played out. Anyone who truly hated G3 didn't play the others or has some very thick rose colored glasses.
You can complain about getting your ass kicked by boars or the hitching, both are valid, but both were easy to overcome. Disabling grass in G3 got rid of the majority of the hitching, a similar step was required in Oblivion on my playthrough at least (same system, disabled grass in both to acquire playable and consistent frame rates). Personally, I felt disabling grass made the game look better since you can't see grass at a distance anyways. When computers can finally handle rendering grass from my feet to the horizon then it will be another story.
I hope the new developers do better on G4, but I seriously doubt it will be flawless. Here is the fact of the matter, the giant world RPG genre is basically made up of the Elder Scrolls and Gothic series. Both of these series have been bugged from the get go. Elder Scrolls Arena had massive bugs, Gothic 1 was pretty buggy itself. What this shows is that software houses attempting to make these "epic" single player RPGs often run out of time and cannot complete them. It's the nature of the beast.
You can complain about getting your ass kicked by boars or the hitching, both are valid, but both were easy to overcome. Disabling grass in G3 got rid of the majority of the hitching, a similar step was required in Oblivion on my playthrough at least (same system, disabled grass in both to acquire playable and consistent frame rates). Personally, I felt disabling grass made the game look better since you can't see grass at a distance anyways. When computers can finally handle rendering grass from my feet to the horizon then it will be another story.
I hope the new developers do better on G4, but I seriously doubt it will be flawless. Here is the fact of the matter, the giant world RPG genre is basically made up of the Elder Scrolls and Gothic series. Both of these series have been bugged from the get go. Elder Scrolls Arena had massive bugs, Gothic 1 was pretty buggy itself. What this shows is that software houses attempting to make these "epic" single player RPGs often run out of time and cannot complete them. It's the nature of the beast.
Mem
Lifer
Gothic 1 had terrible controls,but great story and game was good, G2 was not buggy for me but did not live up to G1,G3 was buggiest of them all(however with latest community patches decent),has to the boars they fixed that with the first patch,before the patch they could stun lock you very easily.
G4 we'll just have to wait and see,its all speculation until then.
imported_Imp
Diamond Member
I got Gothic 2 like a year or two after it came out, so I was fortunate to have access to one of the later patches. Thus, my overall experience wasn't as buggy. However, due to my "positive" experience with Gothic 2, I rushed out to get Gothic 3 shortly after launch due to "brand loyalty" essentially.
Honestly, I do hope they don't eff up Gothic 4 as bad. I could get over the bugs in Gothic 3 like broken quests, rewards, crashing, etc. But I could not get over the fighting system, which was one of the biggest selling points of the Gothic series. In Gothic 2, every fight was a duel and you had to time your blocks, attacks, combos perfectly or get hit hard. In Gothic 3, it was just mash, mash, mash faster than your enemy, block if you feel like it, if you don't mash fast enough, you'll get chain attacked until death.
I really hope they "reinvent" the Gothic franchise with Gothic 4, but I definately won't run and get it this time around.
Honestly, I do hope they don't eff up Gothic 4 as bad. I could get over the bugs in Gothic 3 like broken quests, rewards, crashing, etc. But I could not get over the fighting system, which was one of the biggest selling points of the Gothic series. In Gothic 2, every fight was a duel and you had to time your blocks, attacks, combos perfectly or get hit hard. In Gothic 3, it was just mash, mash, mash faster than your enemy, block if you feel like it, if you don't mash fast enough, you'll get chain attacked until death.
I really hope they "reinvent" the Gothic franchise with Gothic 4, but I definately won't run and get it this time around.
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