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[MagicConch]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
William F. Buckley had already rejected neo-conservatism and the Bush family cronies. It's good to see his son following in those footsteps. I guarantee we will see a different Republican party come 2012, as the failures of the party glare and beg for change. Conservatism is not a bad philosophy, and there are many great values within the traditions of it, but Republicans today would by and large disgust such historical giants as Eisenhower.

I hope we can see some of this sooner in 2010. The dialogue in Congress has become how to best spend future generations' money on ourselves rather than how can we leave the best country we can to them.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: MagicConch

Originally posted by: Arkaign
William F. Buckley had already rejected neo-conservatism and the Bush family cronies. It's good to see his son following in those footsteps. I guarantee we will see a different Republican party come 2012, as the failures of the party glare and beg for change. Conservatism is not a bad philosophy, and there are many great values within the traditions of it, but Republicans today would by and large disgust such historical giants as Eisenhower.

I hope we can see some of this sooner in 2010. The dialogue in Congress has become how to best spend future generations' money on ourselves rather than how can we leave the best country we can to them.

Congress and Bush have spent money like teenagers with a lottery win. Not only have they blown through large sums, but they wasted it for the most part on crap. Might as well have bought a ton of blow for every man, woman and child in the country. At least we'd be so stoned all the time we wouldn't feel the pain.

-Robert

 

[jonks]

A codicil:

http://online.wsj.com/article/...tml?mod=googlenews_wsj

OCTOBER 14, 2008, 5:21 P.M. ET Buckley Resigns From National Review After Endorsing Obama
By REBECCA DANAArticle

The National Review immediately accepted the resignation of columnist Christopher Buckley last week, shortly after the humorist and editor -- son of the conservative bi-weekly's late founder, William F. Buckley Jr. -- endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, Mr. Buckley revealed Tuesday.

Mr. Buckley issued his endorsement on Oct. 5 at the Daily Beast, a Web site owned by Barry Diller's IAC/InteractiveCorp and run by former New Yorker editor Tina Brown. Mr. Buckley said he didn't publish the endorsement in the National Review in hopes that a new venue would soften the reaction from the magazine's arch-conservative readership. It did not.

Readers were outraged by the apostasy. In a dramatic gesture, Mr. Buckley offered his resignation and editor Rich Lowry and publisher Jack Fowler accepted.

"I think they wanted to put as much daylight between Christopher Buckley and themselves as they could," Mr. Buckley said Tuesday in an interview, after publishing news of his resignation on The Daily Beast. "It's an odd situation, when the founder's son has suddenly become the turd in the punch bowl."

Messrs. Lowry and Fowler didn't return calls for comment, but Mr. Lowry posted a statement on the magazine's Web site implying that Mr. Buckley was grandstanding: That he was merely a temporary fill-in as columnist and that the volume of mail was far less than the "tsunami" that Mr. Buckley had suggested.

Mr. Buckley's is just one instance of recent fracture in the conservative intellectual movement, whose membership has splintered over issues in the presidential election and economic downturn this fall.

National Review columnists David Frum and Kathleen Parker have drawn virulent criticism for speaking critically of Republican presidential candidate John McCain, finding fault with his economic policies and his selection of Sarah Palin as the vice-presidential nominee. Peggy Noonan, a Wall Street Journal columnist and former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, has been sporadically and at times sharply critical of the Republican ticket, as have New York Times columnists David Brooks and William Kristol. A number of GOP strategists and elected officials have come out in recent days to voice their disapproval as well.

Mr. Buckley says his father, who endorsed a few Democrats in his time, was "quite tolerant of the surprising point of view" and never wanted his magazine's writers to be in intellectual lockstep.

"We seem to be living in a time of arteriosclerotic orthodoxy. It's hardened so that if you deviate, you're a deviant," Mr. Buckley said. "A lot of the fun has gone out of it. I mean, gee whiz."

When several columnists at the go-to conservative paper have been strongly critical of the 'conservative' nominee, you know something must be rotten in denmark.

 

[Fern]

I see many on the left here at P&N singing Buckley's praises, but I'll draw your attention to this comment of his:

But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren?t going to get us out of this pit we?ve dug for ourselves.

That's one huge MoFo leap of faith (based on absolutely zero as far as I can tell).

Furthermore, somebody's gonna be disappointed; either people here or Buckley.

But in a way, just goes to show Obama's strategy is working, and people are still seeing him as a fairly blank canvas that they can paint as they wish ("hope" really).

(Note: I find this whole Buckley thing hard to believe, but am assuming it's true)

Fern

 

[Mani]

Well written. And pretty damning.

 

[fallout man]

Rise, thread. RISE!!!

The update to this thread is such:

W.F. Buckley's son was effectively FIRED from the National Review.

Text

Apparently the cornerstone of the conservative movement, despite what some dreamers may still claim, is no longer common sense with sound judgement, backed up by facts and sound argument.

Shit, even your pedigree no longer matters. That cornerstone has been replaced by "us vs. them," rabid knee-jerk mentality. Oof.

 

[Genx87]

This has to be done. The party has to decide where it wants to go.

The more big names like this make a statement the quicker it will happen.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Genx87
This has to be done. The party has to decide where it wants to go.

The more big names like this make a statement the quicker it will happen.

I think this is pathetic. Piggy (Karl Rove) must be rolling in his own shit, giggling hysterically at such news.

The metamorphosis is complete.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Rise, thread. RISE!!!

The update to this thread is such:

W.F. Buckley's son was effectively FIRED from the National Review.

Text

Apparently the cornerstone of the conservative movement, despite what some dreamers may still claim, is no longer common sense with sound judgement, backed up by facts and sound argument.

Shit, even your pedigree no longer matters. That cornerstone has been replaced by "us vs. them," rabid knee-jerk mentality. Oof.

Did you even read it? He offered his resignation. They accepted. Steyn is off hiatus and will resume his spot.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: fallout man
Rise, thread. RISE!!!

The update to this thread is such:

W.F. Buckley's son was effectively FIRED from the National Review.

Text

Apparently the cornerstone of the conservative movement, despite what some dreamers may still claim, is no longer common sense with sound judgement, backed up by facts and sound argument.

Shit, even your pedigree no longer matters. That cornerstone has been replaced by "us vs. them," rabid knee-jerk mentality. Oof.

Did you even read it? He offered his resignation. They accepted. Steyn is off hiatus and will resume his spot.

Did you even read it? He quit in the same way Rumsfeld quit.

 

[Stuxnet]

Good article. I agree with damn near every word.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: jonks
On abortion, gay marriage, et al, I?m libertarian.

"He acknowledges the only reason this is noteworthy is because of his name"[/quote]

Exactly. This is like one of those Hollywood strumpets who tries to do something scandalous to get in papers because her career is tanking. Buckley is no conservative obviously and neither is McCain. America is center-right country and boobs like McCain and Buckley are no indicator of that. Buckley probably likes Obama's cross-dressing protections.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: jonks
On abortion, gay marriage, et al, I?m libertarian.

"He acknowledges the only reason this is noteworthy is because of his name"

Exactly. This is like one of those Hollywood strumpets who tries to do something scandalous to get in papers because her career is tanking. Buckley is no conservative obviously and neither is McCain. America is center-right country and boobs like McCain and Buckley are no indicator of that. Buckley probably likes Obama's cross-dressing protections.[/quote]

You should too. In any other country a freak like you would be institutionalized.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Buckley probably likes Obama's cross-dressing protections.

This made me lol.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Buckley probably likes Obama's cross-dressing protections.

This made me lol.

I think Buggerbean has Chris Buckley confused with the famous drag queen Giuliani.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: fallout man
Rise, thread. RISE!!!

The update to this thread is such:

W.F. Buckley's son was effectively FIRED from the National Review.

Text

Apparently the cornerstone of the conservative movement, despite what some dreamers may still claim, is no longer common sense with sound judgement, backed up by facts and sound argument.

Shit, even your pedigree no longer matters. That cornerstone has been replaced by "us vs. them," rabid knee-jerk mentality. Oof.

Did you even read it? He offered his resignation. They accepted. Steyn is off hiatus and will resume his spot.

Did you even read it? He quit in the same way Rumsfeld quit.

Did you read it? He explicitly states he offered his resignation. That is quitting by any rational person's standard.

The other/rest of the story.

 

[Juddog]

I looked through the thread and didn't see anybody posting his video interview on MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22...1/vp/27186363#27186363

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You mean the idiot isn't going to vote third party? He believes in small government and all that libertarian rant and is going to vote for an intelligent liberal in the hope that only an intelligent liberal can possibly bring change. I'll be F*cked.

There's are intelligent liberals running for office? Where?

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Rise, thread. RISE!!!

The update to this thread is such:

W.F. Buckley's son was effectively FIRED from the National Review.

Text

Apparently the cornerstone of the conservative movement, despite what some dreamers may still claim, is no longer common sense with sound judgement, backed up by facts and sound argument.

Shit, even your pedigree no longer matters. That cornerstone has been replaced by "us vs. them," rabid knee-jerk mentality. Oof.

While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of ?conservative? government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case.

See, this is the problem with him. He's a rational conservative.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: fallout man
Rise, thread. RISE!!!

The update to this thread is such:

W.F. Buckley's son was effectively FIRED from the National Review.

Text

Apparently the cornerstone of the conservative movement, despite what some dreamers may still claim, is no longer common sense with sound judgement, backed up by facts and sound argument.

Shit, even your pedigree no longer matters. That cornerstone has been replaced by "us vs. them," rabid knee-jerk mentality. Oof.

While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of ?conservative? government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case.

See, this is the problem with him. He's a rational conservative.

The funny part is that his line of smaller government and wanting to have an intelligent leader in office rings true of the GOP ideals from 20 - 30 years ago. The GOP needs to get back to true fiscal conservatism and quit trying to pander so hard to the religious crowd.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: fallout man
Rise, thread. RISE!!!

The update to this thread is such:

W.F. Buckley's son was effectively FIRED from the National Review.

Text

Apparently the cornerstone of the conservative movement, despite what some dreamers may still claim, is no longer common sense with sound judgement, backed up by facts and sound argument.

Shit, even your pedigree no longer matters. That cornerstone has been replaced by "us vs. them," rabid knee-jerk mentality. Oof.

While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of ?conservative? government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case.

See, this is the problem with him. He's a rational conservative.

The funny part is that his line of smaller government and wanting to have an intelligent leader in office rings true of the GOP ideals from 20 - 30 years ago. The GOP needs to get back to true fiscal conservatism and quit trying to pander so hard to the religious crowd.

Exactly, it's the way I feel. It seems completely hypocrytical to call the Republican party conservative these days. It seems a damn shame that people like Chris Buckley who still strive for truer conservatism are viewed as pariahs.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Rise, thread. RISE!!!

The update to this thread is such:

W.F. Buckley's son was effectively FIRED from the National Review.

Text

Apparently the cornerstone of the conservative movement, despite what some dreamers may still claim, is no longer common sense with sound judgement, backed up by facts and sound argument.

Shit, even your pedigree no longer matters. That cornerstone has been replaced by "us vs. them," rabid knee-jerk mentality. Oof.

Before you go casting the Republicans as evil, demonic, knee-jerkers, let's not forget that it was only a month ago that the Democrats called for Lieberman's head on a platter for his failure to "fall in line."

Also, he was not fired: he resigned. He probably would have been fired...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You mean the idiot isn't going to vote third party? He believes in small government and all that libertarian rant and is going to vote for an intelligent liberal in the hope that only an intelligent liberal can possibly bring change. I'll be F*cked.

There's are intelligent liberals running for office? Where?

Would you buy 'relatively' intelligent for a quarter?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Good article. I agree with damn near every word.

Then you and I agree on something.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Christopher Buckley is being ostracized not just for endorsing Obama; rather, he is being punished for his rejection of McCain- Palin. The letter written by Rich Lowry for Sarah Palin is almost pornographic in its love for her. I find that to be much more worrisome than the Buckley epistle. Lowry disgraced the National Review and embarrassed himself far more than any Obama support letter.

Modern Republicans who have created for themselves an anti-intllectual, as in, anti-intelligence party would expel a voice of, well, intellect. There is no longer any room for intelligent discourse within the Republican Party, only vapid declarations of patriotism and loyalty.