Got to Love the Democrats

[irwincur]

In perhaps their boldest move ever the Democratic Party of Michigan was found to be outsourcing work to India. For what you ask? Running a call center to keep Nader off the ballot. So much for Granholm (shining star governor) not looking like a complete idiot, considering she talked about the harms of outsourcing at the convention Wednesday.

So now we have Benedict Arnold political parties asking foreigners to complete a truely un-American task. Nice job Dems, maybe this is why your influence slides further and further every year.

 

[CanOWorms]

I thought the Bush campaign was doing the same thing with getting donations... like many months ago.

 

[Todd33]

Bush team got in trouble for this, source?

They also had campaign gear made in a Bangldesh or somewhere that was illegal.


Edit: Irt was not a call center, it was petition checking (minor difference) . Lets not forget the Republicans helping Nader get on the ballot there, they were responsible for like 43,00 of 50,000 signitures, how low.

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw101356_20040720.htm

 

[Stunt]

and how about the bush/cheney 2004 jackets which were made in burma? (a country who is trade sanctioned and is illegal to import their goods)

this doesn't surprise me one bit...if you need to hire manpower for any job, why not go to a cheap source.
kind of nice to see the government practicing good common sense business strategy.
and ppl say government is inefficient...heh

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Stunt
if you need to hire manpower for any job, why not go to a cheap source.
kind of nice to see the government practicing good common sense business strategy.

Okay, so outsourcing is NOT a problem, then?

 

[Stunt]

Okay, so outsourcing is NOT a problem, then?

i'd say for labour intensive/low education scenarios...it makes sense employing third world countries. Honestly...how many jobs are lost due to a temporary call centre for this one purpose...not much...

It is the first world who should set itself up as an education powerhouse. Develop and research products here and outsource to the third world to make it. The dumb ones in the first world can be in the service sector for the smart and wealthy.

The problem is...if you open the borders and let your education system take a dump, you have nothing.

But back to the topic at hand...so what if india helps form your government...look at all the governments the US helped form...too many to count...this should not sound ironic in any sense...as the poster seems to believe.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Stunt
if you need to hire manpower for any job, why not go to a cheap source.
kind of nice to see the government practicing good common sense business strategy.

Okay, so outsourcing is NOT a problem, then?

[irony on]only when it helps a party that complains about jobs being sent overseas[/irony]

 

[Todd33]

Grebner said he has used foreign workers in the past in countries such as Bangladesh for work that can't be done by his U.S. staff of about 15 full-time workers. That includes work for Republicans as well as for Democrats, he added.

Grebner does not represent the whole party or Kerry. It was a dumb decision, but it is hardly news worthy. I find it more embarssing that the Republicans are paying people to collect signitures for Nader. Why not just pay people to vote for your guy directly? What's next, they going to count votes twice? Oh wait, they did that in Florida in 2000.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Stunt
if you need to hire manpower for any job, why not go to a cheap source.
kind of nice to see the government practicing good common sense business strategy.

Okay, so outsourcing is NOT a problem, then?

[irony on]only when it helps a party that complains about jobs being sent overseas[/irony]

You really can't stop this from happening...you can SLOW it with policy, but with the way the world works these days...it is inevitable. The only solution is adapt...

adapt not in tax cuts...but education spending, health care and good fiscal balance.(attractive for investors)

The only reason that the dems are running on this is it appeals to the average voter who is concerned with losing their jobs as these people are not the most educated ppl in the world. If you explain to them all this technical stuff about how deficits and poor fiscal management...massive debts...etc...they will not understand how this is even worse for the economy. More jobs is an easy way to address this to the average american...helps the dems show that they too care about the economy, simple enough to get them voted in.

 

[godmare]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Stunt
if you need to hire manpower for any job, why not go to a cheap source.
kind of nice to see the government practicing good common sense business strategy.

Okay, so outsourcing is NOT a problem, then?

[irony on]only when it helps a party that complains about jobs being sent overseas[/irony]

You really can't stop this from happening...you can SLOW it with policy, but with the way the world works these days...it is inevitable. The only solution is adapt...

The only reason that the dems are running on this is it appeals to the average voter who is concerned with losing their jobs as these people are not the most educated ppl in the world. If you explain to them all this technical stuff about how deficits and poor fiscal management...massive debts...etc...they will not understand how this is even worse for the economy. More jobs is an easy way to address this to the average american...helps the dems show that they too care about the economy, simple enough to get them voted in.

Believe it or not, wether unskilled workers are employed at minimum wage or not effects you.

 

[arsbanned]

Hey train, you missed Stunts response to hero's troll. Come on, let's shoot for fair and balanced in the real sense, NOT the way Fox News defines it.

 

[irwincur]

I just think that it is especially low when one of your major (and only) platforms is the rpevention outsourcing.

I would rather not argue the merits of outsourcing, as positive as they are. You would think that the Democrats (who 'care' about the poor) would be all for it, what better way to help those who are even poorer than the American poor - give them jobs. But that would not be hypocritical of their 30 year old message, so they won't do it.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Hey train, you missed Stunts response to hero's troll.

Aye, it was circuitous enough to make John Kerry blush.

 

[arsbanned]

Aye, it was circuitous enough to make John Kerry blush

Yeah, thinking people tend to be like that.

 

[zephyrprime]

It is the first world who should set itself up as an education powerhouse. Develop and research products here and outsource to the third world to make it. The dumb ones in the first world can be in the service sector for the smart and wealthy.

Whether or not you're smart is hugely influenced by your genes not just your education. It's simply not possible to make people in one nation as educated as would be needed for this to work. The smart/talented distribution is a bell curve. The only way for what you suggest to work would be if the nation deported all it's non-smart/talented people to other nations while importing smart/talented people to replace them (and that's clearly a ridiculous idea).

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I thought the Bush campaign was doing the same thing with getting donations... like many months ago.

right, but Bush isn't the one promising to punish companies which outsource to other nations.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Stunt
The only reason that the dems are running on this is it appeals to the average voter who is concerned with losing their jobs as these people are not the most educated ppl in the world. If you explain to them all this technical stuff about how deficits and poor fiscal management...massive debts...etc...they will not understand how this is even worse for the economy. More jobs is an easy way to address this to the average american...helps the dems show that they too care about the economy, simple enough to get them voted in.

so you are saying the Dems are engaging in a deceptive campaign as they know full well they will only at best be able to slow the process and cannot provide what they are promising?

 

[Stunt]

Whether or not you're smart is hugely influenced by your genes not just your education. It's simply not possible to make people in one nation as educated as would be needed for this to work. The smart/talented distribution is a bell curve. The only way for what you suggest to work would be if the nation deported all it's non-smart/talented people to other nations while importing smart/talented people to replace them (and that's clearly a ridiculous idea).

Nice of you to think that americans are unable to be educated and that this problem is genetic.
I feel this is a clearly ridiculous idea.

And this is already currently done with highly educated immigrants who are unable to practice their specified field as they cannot be accredited properly.

It is my opinion that if children are brought up properly and are encouraged intellectually, they can achieve whatever they want.

If you look at a more liberal system like canada...the ability for low income earner's offsping to go to the most prestigeous schools in the country is much higher, and i have been able to see some very smart people coming from the "lower/less educated class".

With this attitude towards education...your country is destined to fail...why even start to make the arguement that americans are unable to educated?!...

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Stunt
The only reason that the dems are running on this is it appeals to the average voter who is concerned with losing their jobs as these people are not the most educated ppl in the world. If you explain to them all this technical stuff about how deficits and poor fiscal management...massive debts...etc...they will not understand how this is even worse for the economy. More jobs is an easy way to address this to the average american...helps the dems show that they too care about the economy, simple enough to get them voted in.

so you are saying the Dems are engaging in a deceptive campaign as they know full well they will only at best be able to slow the process and cannot provide what they are promising?

I'm saying that yes they are going to make promises that they have not much control over. These ARE politicians. This is far better than running a country into the ground and saying everything is fine.

I'm saying that the dems are actually acknowledging that there is a problem and they will attemp to fix it. Their policy of higher taxes for the rich and a balanced budget WILL help the economy. The jobs side is a good way to show americans they care...simple to the point.

 

[zephyrprime]

Nice of you to think that americans are unable to be educated and that this problem is genetic.
I feel this is a clearly ridiculous idea.

I don't mean to say that Americans are unable to be educated. I meant that some people are naturally more intelligent than others no amount of education can overcome that fact. And I think this fact applies to any nation or group of people, not just the United States. Do you really think it's possible to have a nation full of intellectuals?

That is to say, I believe that there's such a thing as natural talent and it extends to the realm of intelligence.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I thought the Bush campaign was doing the same thing with getting donations... like many months ago.

right, but Bush isn't the one promising to punish companies which outsource to other nations.

punish /= removing loopholes.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Hehe, gotta stretch that campaign dollar.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: godmare

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Stunt
if you need to hire manpower for any job, why not go to a cheap source.
kind of nice to see the government practicing good common sense business strategy.

Okay, so outsourcing is NOT a problem, then?

[irony on]only when it helps a party that complains about jobs being sent overseas[/irony]

You really can't stop this from happening...you can SLOW it with policy, but with the way the world works these days...it is inevitable. The only solution is adapt...

The only reason that the dems are running on this is it appeals to the average voter who is concerned with losing their jobs as these people are not the most educated ppl in the world. If you explain to them all this technical stuff about how deficits and poor fiscal management...massive debts...etc...they will not understand how this is even worse for the economy. More jobs is an easy way to address this to the average american...helps the dems show that they too care about the economy, simple enough to get them voted in.

Believe it or not, wether unskilled workers are employed at minimum wage or not effects you.

The unemployment rate seems to indicate that people are finding jobs just fine.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: godmare

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Stunt
if you need to hire manpower for any job, why not go to a cheap source.
kind of nice to see the government practicing good common sense business strategy.

Okay, so outsourcing is NOT a problem, then?

[irony on]only when it helps a party that complains about jobs being sent overseas[/irony]

You really can't stop this from happening...you can SLOW it with policy, but with the way the world works these days...it is inevitable. The only solution is adapt...

The only reason that the dems are running on this is it appeals to the average voter who is concerned with losing their jobs as these people are not the most educated ppl in the world. If you explain to them all this technical stuff about how deficits and poor fiscal management...massive debts...etc...they will not understand how this is even worse for the economy. More jobs is an easy way to address this to the average american...helps the dems show that they too care about the economy, simple enough to get them voted in.

Believe it or not, wether unskilled workers are employed at minimum wage or not effects you.

The unemployment rate seems to indicate that people are finding jobs just fine.

Yes previous presidents have been easily elected with todays unemployment rates.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: godmare

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Stunt
if you need to hire manpower for any job, why not go to a cheap source.
kind of nice to see the government practicing good common sense business strategy.

Okay, so outsourcing is NOT a problem, then?

[irony on]only when it helps a party that complains about jobs being sent overseas[/irony]

You really can't stop this from happening...you can SLOW it with policy, but with the way the world works these days...it is inevitable. The only solution is adapt...

The only reason that the dems are running on this is it appeals to the average voter who is concerned with losing their jobs as these people are not the most educated ppl in the world. If you explain to them all this technical stuff about how deficits and poor fiscal management...massive debts...etc...they will not understand how this is even worse for the economy. More jobs is an easy way to address this to the average american...helps the dems show that they too care about the economy, simple enough to get them voted in.

Believe it or not, wether unskilled workers are employed at minimum wage or not effects you.

The unemployment rate seems to indicate that people are finding jobs just fine.

Yes previous presidents have been easily elected with todays unemployment rates.

I think Bush will be as well.. :beer: