Got to love it, socialized medicine is SO GREAT....

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blackangst1
As has been proven time and time (and thread) again, socialized health care is AWESOME...if you never get seriously ill.

Then the cure is worse than the disease.

Nice post.

Just a different kind of population control.

Republican style is poor and old just die.

Democrat style, everyone swims in the same bath water.

True and salient, and since I consider myself socio-economically superior to most people and also superior in terms of how I take care of myself and my finances, I am not interested in their bath water; they can keep it!

 

[Kntx]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
Liberal MP Belinda Stronach, who is battling breast cancer, travelled to California last June for an operation that was recommended as part of her treatment, says a report.

"In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians. As well, her family has clearly demonstrated that support," MacEachern told the Star.

Apparently until it counts.

Sorry, but no government official of a state/country which forces socialized medicine on its people should be traveling to another country to get medical treatment. They should always be the first among their peers in getting the work done in their own country.

Instead, MacEachern said the decision was made because the U.S. hospital was the best place to have it done due to the type of surgery required.

Why is that? Simple, because people have a reason to strive to be doctors, nurses, and the like. They have personal reasons to be the best, to join with others they consider at their level.

will a system of socialized medicine preserve this level of treatment or will it be further pushed into the realm of service only for the rich or political classes?

Don't laud the benefits of your system if you do not partake of it.

In Canada there is a movement for more privatized care. In the US there is a demand for universal health care of some kind. What I've not heard from any proponent of privatized care here is a political cheap shot at a woman with breast cancer. Shame on you.

edit: fixed quoting

 

[Auric]

Self-treatment occurs in lieu of a medical plan. Private plans are beyond the reach of many. Illness and disease costs society one way or the other. Therefore socialization is the solution. As long as the wealthy contribute then they are still free to seek private care at their cost, thus lessening the burden. Even such a two-tiered system is more equitable than one distinguished by either having treatment or not (actually prevention is just as important).

The main issue is not whether universal health care is necessary but to strike the balance betwixt individual freedoms and social responsibility. For example, the consequences of gluttony or tobacco smoking cannot be a burden to everyone. In Old Blighty, doctors receive compensation for working with the patient to curtail such negative behavior. But in America there can be a stubborn ignorance (to the point of hurting themselves) that it is a "god given right" to be fat bastard. Therefore, I can only see some sort of penalty system working even if it means setting the default contributions high and then reducing them for maintaining a healthy lifestyle.

Other than the individual freedom aspect, most of the opposition comes from those who benefit financially from the current system and therefore fear change. But come on, it's America, politicians will find a way to keep corporations happy if/when the tipping point comes (votes vs lobbyist dosh). Heck, most corporations (outside of the health care industry) should be able to reduce costs by not having to provide a medical plan for the rank and file.

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We are constantly bombarded with statistics regarding the cost of lost productivity due to illness. Yet another reason for corporations to get on board.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: Shivetya
Liberal MP Belinda Stronach, who is battling breast cancer, travelled to California last June for an operation that was recommended as part of her treatment, says a report.

"In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians. As well, her family has clearly demonstrated that support," MacEachern told the Star.

Apparently until it counts.

Sorry, but no government official of a state/country which forces socialized medicine on its people should be traveling to another country to get medical treatment. They should always be the first among their peers in getting the work done in their own country.

Instead, MacEachern said the decision was made because the U.S. hospital was the best place to have it done due to the type of surgery required.

Why is that? Simple, because people have a reason to strive to be doctors, nurses, and the like. They have personal reasons to be the best, to join with others they consider at their level.

will a system of socialized medicine preserve this level of treatment or will it be further pushed into the realm of service only for the rich or political classes?

Don't laud the benefits of your system if you do not partake of it.

In Canada there is a movement for more privatized care. In the US there is a demand for universal health care of some kind. What I've not heard from any proponent of privatized care here is a political cheap shot at a woman with breast cancer. Shame on you.

edit: fixed quoting

QFT

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ndp.ca/page/5560">In May 2007, the NDP launched a national campaign for lower prescription drug costs, decrying the inadequate patchwork of coverage across the country. One in five Canadians are underinsured for high drug costs and 3.5 million are without any prescription drug coverage at all. ?It's more evidence that confirms what too many everyday Canadians have known for too long: drug costs are too high and not dealing with it properly is stretching the public Medicare that we all cherish,? said Priddy. ?The lack of political leadership is staggering. An elderly woman shouldn?t have to make a choice between paying the rent on time and getting her medications for the month.? Further supporting evidence was obtained last week in the form of the annual report of the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board, which indicated that concerns about excessive pricing have triggered hearings for eight drugs since January 2006.
</a>

VANCOUVER ? The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says the country's public health-care system is headed for crisis, but a greater role for private health care could help. Day said injured workers in some provinces are treated in private facilities, saving workers' compensation boards millions of dollars in wages and keeping people off long wait lists.

And on and on and on.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: Shivetya
Liberal MP Belinda Stronach, who is battling breast cancer, travelled to California last June for an operation that was recommended as part of her treatment, says a report.

"In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians. As well, her family has clearly demonstrated that support," MacEachern told the Star.

Apparently until it counts.

Sorry, but no government official of a state/country which forces socialized medicine on its people should be traveling to another country to get medical treatment. They should always be the first among their peers in getting the work done in their own country.

Instead, MacEachern said the decision was made because the U.S. hospital was the best place to have it done due to the type of surgery required.

Why is that? Simple, because people have a reason to strive to be doctors, nurses, and the like. They have personal reasons to be the best, to join with others they consider at their level.

will a system of socialized medicine preserve this level of treatment or will it be further pushed into the realm of service only for the rich or political classes?

Don't laud the benefits of your system if you do not partake of it.

In Canada there is a movement for more privatized care. In the US there is a demand for universal health care of some kind. What I've not heard from any proponent of privatized care here is a political cheap shot at a woman with breast cancer. Shame on you.

edit: fixed quoting

QFT

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ndp.ca/page/5560">In May 2007, the NDP launched a national campaign for lower prescription drug costs, decrying the inadequate patchwork of coverage across the country. One in five Canadians are underinsured for high drug costs and 3.5 million are without any prescription drug coverage at all. ?It's more evidence that confirms what too many everyday Canadians have known for too long: drug costs are too high and not dealing with it properly is stretching the public Medicare that we all cherish,? said Priddy. ?The lack of political leadership is staggering. An elderly woman shouldn?t have to make a choice between paying the rent on time and getting her medications for the month.? Further supporting evidence was obtained last week in the form of the annual report of the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board, which indicated that concerns about excessive pricing have triggered hearings for eight drugs since January 2006.
</a>

VANCOUVER ? The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says the country's public health-care system is headed for crisis, but a greater role for private health care could help. Day said injured workers in some provinces are treated in private facilities, saving workers' compensation boards millions of dollars in wages and keeping people off long wait lists.

And on and on and on.

FYI: The NDP is the last Party that would consider Private Healthcare. They are the closest thing to a successful Socialist party in Canada.

 

[deepred98]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blackangst1
As has been proven time and time (and thread) again, socialized health care is AWESOME...if you never get seriously ill.

Then the cure is worse than the disease.

Nice post.

Just a different kind of population control.

Republican style is poor and old just die.

Democrat style, everyone swims in the same bath water.

Sounds like evolution to me.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Just a different kind of population control.

Republican style is poor and old just die.

Democrat style, All the American hypochondriacs go to the doc CONSTANTLY and LOAD up on drugs bilking the system into OBLIVION while the working middle class pick up the entire tab

FIXED!!

 

[XMan]

I'd be all for Hillary care, or any other form of socialized medicine so long as it's the same care that our esteemed representatives receive. If you think that'll happen in any system, I've got an octal-core terahertz gaming rig for sale . . . .

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Just a different kind of population control.

Republican style is poor and old just die.

Democrat style, All the American hypochondriacs go to the doc CONSTANTLY and LOAD up on drugs bilking the system into OBLIVION while the working middle class pick up the entire tab

FIXED!!

Quoted for mother fucking truth, you should see the scene outside the ER on Friday & Saturday nights, it's a social event...

 

[shadow9d9]

Rich people come to the U.S. for medical treatment.. yes, we know that. Please stop being so retarded people!

 

[shadow9d9]

And MAN are the "conservatives" scared! They seem to think that pumping the internet messageboards with shills and repeating the same half truths and lies against healthcare will somehow convince the 99% of the U.S. screwed by the current system to say "we don't need healthcare!"

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Rich people come to the U.S. for medical treatment.. yes, we know that. Please stop being so retarded people!

You seeme to miss the point.

Why would rich people would come here when they should be able to get that care for free (or close to free) in their own country?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Rich people come to the U.S. for medical treatment.. yes, we know that. Please stop being so retarded people!

You seeme to miss the point.

Why would rich people would come here when they should be able to get that care for free (or close to free) in their own country?

Umm, because if you have money, you want the best. Only the top .01% can afford that. Why take good for free when you could have best and money IS NOT AN ISSUE? Are you really that braindead? This isn't rocket science. It is basic common sense. What in the frikkin world do the rich preferring top end out of the ass charging doctors using the most expensive healthcare in the world as their preference have ANYTHING to do with the major and severe problems that go along with a majority of people having terrible or no coverage!?

Everyone else, the 260 million others in this country gets screwed. If you have pre-existing conditions with a good health insurance you are screwed. If you work for yourself, and have to find private health insurance, you are screwed for pre-existing conditions. If you work for yourself, the costs are sky high. If you don't have a job that can provide healthcare, your costs are unbelievable. If your parents don't have health insurance, and you are underage, you are incredibly screwed.

Let's see... if you have health insurance in this country, which costs a fortune under the above conditions, the insurance companies work to make sure your coverage is denied under every opportunity. They only care about the bottom line and your health. People die daily here because they cannot afford treatment, even with some health insurance.

In the U.S., if you don't have a job with healthcare and aren't rich, you are screwed. In Canada, you aren't.

So, yeah, if you have money, you go to the best private out the ass charging doctors in the world. If you are everyone else, you should just think that a system where everyone gets coverage and the rich go elsewhere is bad?

Get a BRAIN people.

I am within the top 1% of incomes in this country and I work for myself. If I didn't have my wife's health insurance from her job, I'd be incredibly screwed for : pre-existing conditions, private health insurance costs, etc. Sure, I could survive because I have money, but most people don't and can't. And don't forget the children in the U.S. that aren't covered because of who they were born from!

But who really cares about them anyway right? You don't want to pay taxes! But you sure don't mind raising the tax ceiling and paying trillions for wars that kill and destroy societies around the globe right? Do you know who has to pay for it? Your children and their children and maybe even you with time.

Short sightedness and greed = U.S. citizens.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Rich people come to the U.S. for medical treatment.. yes, we know that. Please stop being so retarded people!

You seeme to miss the point.

Why would rich people would come here when they should be able to get that care for free (or close to free) in their own country?

Umm, because if you have money, you want the best. Only the top .01% can afford that. Everyone else, the 260 million others in this country gets screwed. If you have pre-existing conditions with a good health insurance you are screwed. If you work for yourself, and have to find private health insurance, you are screwed for pre-existing conditions. If you work for yourself, the costs are sky high. If you don't have a job that can provide healthcare, your costs are unbelievable. If your parents don't have health insurance, and you are underage, you are incredibly screwed.

Let's see... if you have health insurance in this country, which costs a fortune under the above conditions, the insurance companies work to make sure your coverage is denied under every opportunity. They only care about the bottom line and your health. People die daily here because they cannot afford treatment, even with some health insurance.

In the U.S., if you don't have a job with healthcare and aren't rich, you are screwed. In Canada, you aren't.

So, yeah, if you have money, you go to the best private out the ass charging doctors in the world. If you are everyone else, you should just think that a system where everyone gets coverage and the rich go elsewhere is bad?

Get a BRAIN people.

I am within the top 1% of incomes in this country and I work for myself. If I didn't have my wife's health insurance from her job, I'd be incredibly screwed for : pre-existing conditions, private health insurance costs, etc. Sure, I could survive because I have money, but most people don't and can't and the children of the U.S. have the pay the price for your greed.

So why is the best healthcare in the US instead of a country with socialized healthcare?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Rich people come to the U.S. for medical treatment.. yes, we know that. Please stop being so retarded people!

You seeme to miss the point.

Why would rich people would come here when they should be able to get that care for free (or close to free) in their own country?

Umm, because if you have money, you want the best. Only the top .01% can afford that. Everyone else, the 260 million others in this country gets screwed. If you have pre-existing conditions with a good health insurance you are screwed. If you work for yourself, and have to find private health insurance, you are screwed for pre-existing conditions. If you work for yourself, the costs are sky high. If you don't have a job that can provide healthcare, your costs are unbelievable. If your parents don't have health insurance, and you are underage, you are incredibly screwed.

Let's see... if you have health insurance in this country, which costs a fortune under the above conditions, the insurance companies work to make sure your coverage is denied under every opportunity. They only care about the bottom line and your health. People die daily here because they cannot afford treatment, even with some health insurance.

In the U.S., if you don't have a job with healthcare and aren't rich, you are screwed. In Canada, you aren't.

So, yeah, if you have money, you go to the best private out the ass charging doctors in the world. If you are everyone else, you should just think that a system where everyone gets coverage and the rich go elsewhere is bad?

Get a BRAIN people.

I am within the top 1% of incomes in this country and I work for myself. If I didn't have my wife's health insurance from her job, I'd be incredibly screwed for : pre-existing conditions, private health insurance costs, etc. Sure, I could survive because I have money, but most people don't and can't and the children of the U.S. have the pay the price for your greed.

So why is the best healthcare in the US instead of a country with socialized healthcare?

Because money always buys the best. But it is only for people with extreme money.

We are right next to third world countries when it comes to infant mortality and overall health though. France is rated number 1 for overall healthcare. The U.S. has the best for .001% of the population of the world. I guess you prefer catering to the .001% rather than 300 million people. Good argument. You have a really great understanding of the matter.

Stop trying to weasel an answer you want. You can't convince the millions screwed and dieing daily in the U.S. with your twisting. Shill away!

 

[shadow9d9]

We rank 37 for overall healthcare btw- http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-44.html . Only the best for the .001% of the people use it though.

The 2006 United Nations Human Development Report's human development index states the life expectancy in the United States is 77.5, the United Kingdom is 78.5, France is 79.6, and Canada is 80.2. Human Development Report 2006, United Nations Development Programme, 2006 at 283.
http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/pd...ort/HDR06-complete.pdf.

Wait a sec... I thought the U.S. was better overall... at least that is what the op and other shills are trying to imply! Gosh!



Infant mortality?

* According to the United Nations Statistics Division, Population and Vital Statistics Report, the rate of infant deaths per thousand in El Salvador is 10.5. "Table 3, Live births, deaths, and infant deaths, latest available year, June 15, 2007." http://unstats.un.org/unsd/dem.../vitstats/serATab3.pdf

* According to the Michigan Department of Community Health, the rate of infant deaths for Detroit is 15.9 per thousand. "Number of Infant Deaths, Live Births and Infant Death Rates for Selected Cities of Residence, 2005 and 2001 - 2005 Average," Michigan Department of Community Health Web Site, http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/pha/osr/InDxMain/Tab4.asp.


According to the United Nations Statistics Division, Population and Vital Statistics Report, the rate of infant deaths per thousand in Cuba is 6.2 per thousand, and in the United States is 6.8. "Table 3, Live births, deaths, and infant deaths, latest available year, June 15, 2007."
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/dem.../vitstats/serATab3.pdf

 

[shadow9d9]

So again, explain how a rich Canadian coming here somehow helps the non rich and healthcare in this country or canada?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Rich people come to the U.S. for medical treatment.. yes, we know that. Please stop being so retarded people!

You seeme to miss the point.

Why would rich people would come here when they should be able to get that care for free (or close to free) in their own country?

Umm, because if you have money, you want the best. Only the top .01% can afford that. Everyone else, the 260 million others in this country gets screwed. If you have pre-existing conditions with a good health insurance you are screwed. If you work for yourself, and have to find private health insurance, you are screwed for pre-existing conditions. If you work for yourself, the costs are sky high. If you don't have a job that can provide healthcare, your costs are unbelievable. If your parents don't have health insurance, and you are underage, you are incredibly screwed.

Let's see... if you have health insurance in this country, which costs a fortune under the above conditions, the insurance companies work to make sure your coverage is denied under every opportunity. They only care about the bottom line and your health. People die daily here because they cannot afford treatment, even with some health insurance.

In the U.S., if you don't have a job with healthcare and aren't rich, you are screwed. In Canada, you aren't.

So, yeah, if you have money, you go to the best private out the ass charging doctors in the world. If you are everyone else, you should just think that a system where everyone gets coverage and the rich go elsewhere is bad?

Get a BRAIN people.

I am within the top 1% of incomes in this country and I work for myself. If I didn't have my wife's health insurance from her job, I'd be incredibly screwed for : pre-existing conditions, private health insurance costs, etc. Sure, I could survive because I have money, but most people don't and can't and the children of the U.S. have the pay the price for your greed.

So why is the best healthcare in the US instead of a country with socialized healthcare?

Because money always buys the best. But it is only for people with extreme money.

We are right next to third world countries when it comes to infant mortality and overall health though. France is rated number 1 for overall healthcare. The U.S. has the best for .001% of the population of the world. I guess you prefer catering to the .001% rather than 300 million people. Good argument. You have a really great understanding of the matter.

Stop trying to weasel an answer you want. You can't convince the millions screwed and dieing daily in the U.S. with your twisting. Shill away!

Stop trying to weasel out of the answer you refuse to give.

Socialized healthcare would kill healthcare innovation in the US. The reason we have the leve of care that we do is because certain people ARE willing to pay for it. It all starts at the top. What happens is that expensive healthcare models and methods become more economical and they trickle down to the masses. Remove the impetus (money) and you remove the innovation. If it weren't for all those filthy rich bastards getting outrageously expensive treatments 20 years ago we wouldn't have many of the standard treatments we have today. That's the way technology works. It moves from the upper class downwards and always has. Adopting socialized medicine would strangle that innovation fed by the rich and people that want universal health care are cutting our throats in the long term for immediate gains.

Socialized medicine is ultimately short-sighted but the real retards and brainless among us can't see that because they ignore economics and past history in order to eagerly pat themselves on the back about what wonderfully thoughtful human beings they are.

Idiots.

 

[silverpig]

No one should take any example of what Stronach does to be indicative of what any normal person would do.

She was a rich board member of her daddy's company when she decided to run for office.

She won with the conservatives, then when the Liberals offered her a cabinet seat after winning the election, she jumped ship.

In the next election she ran as a liberal and narrowly won, but the conservatives won the mandate. She saw she wasn't in the position of power so she decided to bow out of politics, screw Tie Domi, and go back to her daddy's company.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: silverpig
No one should take any example of what Stronach does to be indicative of what any normal person would do.

She was a rich board member of her daddy's company when she decided to run for office.

She won with the conservatives, then when the Liberals offered her a cabinet seat after winning the election, she jumped ship.

In the next election she ran as a liberal and narrowly won, but the conservatives won the mandate. She saw she wasn't in the position of power so she decided to bow out of politics, screw Tie Domi, and go back to her daddy's company.

Many a Normal person(Me!) would Do her though!!! 😛 😀

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Socialized healthcare would kill healthcare innovation in the US. The reason we have the leve of care that we do is because certain people ARE willing to pay for it. It all starts at the top. What happens is that expensive healthcare models and methods become more economical and they trickle down to the masses. Remove the impetus (money) and you remove the innovation. If it weren't for all those filthy rich bastards getting outrageously expensive treatments 20 years ago we wouldn't have many of the standard treatments we have today. That's the way technology works. It moves from the upper class downwards and always has. Adopting socialized medicine would strangle that innovation fed by the rich and people that want universal health care are cutting our throats in the long term for immediate gains.

Socialized medicine is ultimately short-sighted but the real retards and brainless among us can't see that because they ignore economics and past history in order to eagerly pat themselves on the back about what wonderfully thoughtful human beings they are.

Idiots.

Does not universal health care imply even more money in the system?

Is it not short-sighted to knowingly neglect the prevention of communicable disease before resorting to emergency measures?

Only 90 years ago, an influenza pandemic killed 675 000 Americans which would be the equivalent of almost 2 million based upon the population today. However, the percentage of the population which is urban has nearly doubled so that the number killed would be far higher.

Disease does not discriminate. Even a dolt should be able to understand that regardless of their political or financial interests.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Rich people come to the U.S. for medical treatment.. yes, we know that. Please stop being so retarded people!

You seeme to miss the point.

Why would rich people would come here when they should be able to get that care for free (or close to free) in their own country?

Umm, because if you have money, you want the best. Only the top .01% can afford that. Everyone else, the 260 million others in this country gets screwed. If you have pre-existing conditions with a good health insurance you are screwed. If you work for yourself, and have to find private health insurance, you are screwed for pre-existing conditions. If you work for yourself, the costs are sky high. If you don't have a job that can provide healthcare, your costs are unbelievable. If your parents don't have health insurance, and you are underage, you are incredibly screwed.

Let's see... if you have health insurance in this country, which costs a fortune under the above conditions, the insurance companies work to make sure your coverage is denied under every opportunity. They only care about the bottom line and your health. People die daily here because they cannot afford treatment, even with some health insurance.

In the U.S., if you don't have a job with healthcare and aren't rich, you are screwed. In Canada, you aren't.

So, yeah, if you have money, you go to the best private out the ass charging doctors in the world. If you are everyone else, you should just think that a system where everyone gets coverage and the rich go elsewhere is bad?

Get a BRAIN people.

I am within the top 1% of incomes in this country and I work for myself. If I didn't have my wife's health insurance from her job, I'd be incredibly screwed for : pre-existing conditions, private health insurance costs, etc. Sure, I could survive because I have money, but most people don't and can't and the children of the U.S. have the pay the price for your greed.

So why is the best healthcare in the US instead of a country with socialized healthcare?

Because money always buys the best. But it is only for people with extreme money.

We are right next to third world countries when it comes to infant mortality and overall health though. France is rated number 1 for overall healthcare. The U.S. has the best for .001% of the population of the world. I guess you prefer catering to the .001% rather than 300 million people. Good argument. You have a really great understanding of the matter.

Stop trying to weasel an answer you want. You can't convince the millions screwed and dieing daily in the U.S. with your twisting. Shill away!

Stop trying to weasel out of the answer you refuse to give.

Socialized healthcare would kill healthcare innovation in the US. The reason we have the leve of care that we do is because certain people ARE willing to pay for it. It all starts at the top. What happens is that expensive healthcare models and methods become more economical and they trickle down to the masses. Remove the impetus (money) and you remove the innovation. If it weren't for all those filthy rich bastards getting outrageously expensive treatments 20 years ago we wouldn't have many of the standard treatments we have today. That's the way technology works. It moves from the upper class downwards and always has. Adopting socialized medicine would strangle that innovation fed by the rich and people that want universal health care are cutting our throats in the long term for immediate gains.

Socialized medicine is ultimately short-sighted but the real retards and brainless among us can't see that because they ignore economics and past history in order to eagerly pat themselves on the back about what wonderfully thoughtful human beings they are.

Idiots.

I think you're the idiot here. No one is stopping these rich bastards from financing their own surgical procedures. You would think that the rich have enough money to pay for any procedure they want.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
Liberal MP Belinda Stronach, who is battling breast cancer, travelled to California last June for an operation that was recommended as part of her treatment, says a report.

"In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians. As well, her family has clearly demonstrated that support," MacEachern told the Star.

Apparently until it counts.

Sorry, but no government official of a state/country which forces socialized medicine on its people should be traveling to another country to get medical treatment. They should always be the first among their peers in getting the work done in their own country.

Instead, MacEachern said the decision was made because the U.S. hospital was the best place to have it done due to the type of surgery required.

Why is that? Simple, because people have a reason to strive to be doctors, nurses, and the like. They have personal reasons to be the best, to join with others they consider at their level.

will a system of socialized medicine preserve this level of treatment or will it be further pushed into the realm of service only for the rich or political classes?

Don't laud the benefits of your system if you do not partake of it.

Why go to a cancer specialist in California when you have cancer doctors in New York? You're a moron.

 

[Genx87]

I always laugh about situations like this. The useful idiots bang the UHC drums and use the systems in Europe as their proof. Then you hear about a head of state or some govt official from these European countries coming to the United States for treatment leaving their UHC systems behind.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Shivetya
Liberal MP Belinda Stronach, who is battling breast cancer, travelled to California last June for an operation that was recommended as part of her treatment, says a report.

"In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians. As well, her family has clearly demonstrated that support," MacEachern told the Star.

Apparently until it counts.

Sorry, but no government official of a state/country which forces socialized medicine on its people should be traveling to another country to get medical treatment. They should always be the first among their peers in getting the work done in their own country.

Instead, MacEachern said the decision was made because the U.S. hospital was the best place to have it done due to the type of surgery required.

Why is that? Simple, because people have a reason to strive to be doctors, nurses, and the like. They have personal reasons to be the best, to join with others they consider at their level.

will a system of socialized medicine preserve this level of treatment or will it be further pushed into the realm of service only for the rich or political classes?

Don't laud the benefits of your system if you do not partake of it.

110% Troll and FUD post.

How many people and hospitals are there in her area of Canada?

This is the same kind of crap pulled when P&Nrs compare a small European Country on how they use very little car transportation Vs the massive area of the U.S. outside of cities.

I pray Hillary Care goes through and the perpetrators of these troll posts and FUD can't stand it.

Hahahaha what, California is closer than any place in Canada? I knew you were a douchebag, this takes the cake though.