Got quadrant 2 of periodontal cleaning done

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Bottom right half of the mouth, which was clearly the worst part because I used to prefer chewing on the right side, and that meant all that crap refined carbs got wedged good down there. The periodontist said she it was worse.

Woke up with a mouth of a leftover bleeding Wed and Thurs, but nothing this morning. Haven't eaten much, which is probably a necessary intervention for the past 3-4 weeks of eating garbage. Ate some salmon and some Applegate slow cooked ham. I'm looking at going with mostly seafood and meat for the next few weeks because I don't wan't to give a sliver of regrowth of plaque in that area, with some cheese and eggs.

No small talk highlights this time.
 

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Get one of those water flosser/irrigator dealios, preferrably with pulsating stream. You can fill the chamber with your own mixture of distilled or filtered water, dilute peroxide, chlorhexidine, some antibacterial essential oil or other additive and squirt it right along the gingival line, at angles that will get the stream into the periodontal pocket, flushing out the gunk. You should avoid being too aggressive about getting it deep into the pocket around the tooth, at least not too frequently.
 

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Get one of those water flosser/irrigator dealios, preferrably with pulsating stream. You can fill the chamber with your own mixture of distilled or filtered water, dilute peroxide, chlorhexidine, some antibacterial essential oil or other additive and squirt it right along the gingival line, at angles that will get the stream into the periodontal pocket, flushing out the gunk. You should avoid being too aggressive about getting it deep into the pocket around the tooth, at least not too frequently.
I bought a Waterpik in May 2021, in part because I lost $150 at a shady dentist for an XRay charge. My prior dentist....well...I was done with her too. So I took matters into my own hands. Where my teeth are at, they've receded enough that even a Waterpik doesn't really get deep enough.

So far, I've managed to keep things under some control by adhering to dietary changes. When I was probed last year, it wasn't like every tooth had massive bleeding, but the pockets were seriously large still.

Key theoretical components for a healthy dental diet include:
1. Very frequent consumption of sardines in EVOO, red salmon, mackerel in water(The cans I get a 99 Ranch seem more full than the Pampas at a Walmart), or similar. I have a small appetite for such meats(I like mackerel the most) however, so one tin of 3.75 oz sardines is usually enough, and for a can of red salmon, I have to split the servings up. Unlike land muscle meat, these foods are comprehensive in their vitamin and mineral profile, and in particular, are a food source of vitamin D.
2. (Haven't complied with it very well because I'm not naturally inclined to like them, just like with fatty fishes) A cheese or greek yogurt for calcium.
3. (Hard to comply for me again). A near elimination of refined carbohydrates and not overconsuming even "natural sweets" like fruit. I've allowed myself to eat some apples, oranges, and grapes. I have eaten onions.
4. Some liver(Hardly eaten)
5. Theoretically, cruciferous vegetables and the likes of onions are also for teeth health.
6. Eggs(Again, haven't complied with eating them consistently)

Now, the fish eating wasn't because of the necessity of periodontal management, but by accident, in which I found it helped clear considerably, though not 100%, COVID brain fog.

The why is pretty simple. You need Vitamins A, D, and K2, along with calcium to deposit calcium into the bones and teeth. Weston Price used Cod Liver Oil and high quality butter to cease cavity formation(not that I've had cavity concerns, but eating to avoid plaque would stop both)
I'm also not sure if it is good or bad, but I've taken a liking to organic unsweetened peanut butter or almond butter, maybe overeating them at times because I am a sweet addict. I probably should be eating more avocados, but avocados are another "don't really like" food(seems to be a trend with me).

In the moments I can't resist a refined carb, I eat pizzas like a European(knife and fork) or I eat something like macaroni whole with barely any chewing.
I also like Bubbies Sauerkraut.

I can't experiment with super prolonged fasting while I have the remaining half untreated.
 

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Do you floss?
Didn't floss for about 32 years.

Did so religiously for about 8 months.

Haven't done so since but I have used a Waterpik, and immediately brush and waterpik'd teeth after sugar or starch containing meals.
 

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Those little dental pipe brushes are pretty useful. I dip them in antibacterial mouth wash, or mint oil, and run them through several times between each tooth, stopping to dip again after a few teeth. Rinse well.
I did buy them starting when I signed my mom up for a Medicare Advantage plan.

Haven't used them in a while even though I should have.
 

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A change in diet isn't going to fix 32 years of not flossing. You seem obsessed with fixing all health issues (self inflicted) with diet.

And then you blame the dentists and doctors for the issues...
 
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A change in diet isn't going to fix 32 years of not flossing. You seem obsessed with fixing all health issues (self inflicted) with diet.

And then you blame the dentists and doctors for the issues...
Agreed.
Water piks are great but they don't take place of flossing, no matter what someone says.
My dentist says do both along with brushing. Flossing cleans the tartar below the gum line. Water pics clean the junk between the teeth that your toothbrush
cannot reach. Especially if you have deep pockets back in your molars. (Talking 5-6 mm deep).
I've had periodontitis for years now but I keep any further damage arrested by going in for teeth cleaning 4X a year instead of 2X, along with brushing, flossing and using the Waterpik.

I also use these. Used to be able to buy at Walgreens
but it's hit and miss and the retail level.
Amazon carries them.

Yeah, diet won't do jack if you're not willing to do basic oral hygiene to save your teeth. Take it from someone who knows, (been there done that).
 

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A change in diet isn't going to fix 32 years of not flossing. You seem obsessed with fixing all health issues (self inflicted) with diet.

And then you blame the dentists and doctors for the issues...
You're not that bright to carry the air of making strawmen.

You can't comprehend nuance but have consistently behaved in a holier-than-thou attitude towards me, like I'm a dumb meathead. Your mind is sick. You also don't seem to realize that for the same 32 years, I didn't GIVE A IOTA of CARE to studying anything about nutrition and ate the blender of grainy foods of both Chinese and American varieties.

1. The dentists are not to blame for the issues, they are to be blamed for the exploitation of the issues for profit or not informing the patient of remedy in the future. Nuance #1 you didn't capture.

2. There are examples of humans without access to modern dental hygiene products who didn't get the usual

3. I haven't had periodontal abscesses since April 2021 precisely because I have, for most of the time, reduce the refined grains and sweets

Let's see who's actually the more pragmatic thinker, because it sure as hell isn't you.

4. For doctors, they are negligent bare minimum because they don't care about subclincal optimization. The business model these days welcomes the sick who have eaten garbage that then leads to heart attacks or diabetes. It's a business that benefits from bodily obsolescence.
 

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A change in diet isn't going to fix 32 years of not flossing. You seem obsessed with fixing all health issues (self inflicted) with diet.

And then you blame the dentists and doctors for the issues...
Or frame it in the following situation:

Is it ethical to:
1. refer and recommend a root canal
2. then return for a crown.

after

1. taking an X-ray
2. not seeing any signs of cavitation
3. Patient stating only irriation in the gums in the area

Yeah, I know your answer. The dentists is right. Therefore, your imperative to me is to go get a root canal and crown from said dentist.
 

WilliamM2

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You're not that bright to carry the air of making strawmen.

You can't comprehend nuance but have consistently behaved in a holier-than-thou attitude towards me, like I'm a dumb meathead. Your mind is sick. You also don't seem to realize that for the same 32 years, I didn't GIVE A IOTA of CARE to studying anything about nutrition and ate the blender of grainy foods of both Chinese and American varieties.

1. The dentists are not to blame for the issues, they are to be blamed for the exploitation of the issues for profit or not informing the patient of remedy in the future. Nuance #1 you didn't capture.

2. There are examples of humans without access to modern dental hygiene products who didn't get the usual

3. I haven't had periodontal abscesses since April 2021 precisely because I have, for most of the time, reduce the refined grains and sweets

Let's see who's actually the more pragmatic thinker, because it sure as hell isn't you.

4. For doctors, they are negligent bare minimum because they don't care about subclincal optimization. The business model these days welcomes the sick who have eaten garbage that then leads to heart attacks or diabetes. It's a business that benefits from bodily obsolescence.
I think you are confused as to who has a sick mind. You are obsessed with your diet.
 

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I had continuous perio issues from years of neglect.
Until I went to a doctor that did Laser Perio Treatment along with root planeing, it has been 8 years and no issues. Of course I now brush, floss and go to the dentist 3 times a year for cleaning and evaluation.
 

NutBucket

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As with any profession, there are good guys and there are used car salesmen. Luckily my dentist is a good guy. I've had a tooth that on occasion hurts when chewing on foods. First mentioned it many months ago. Xrays showed nothing so he referred me to a root canal specialist. That guy also saw nothing. They agreed best course of action was to wait until it actually gets worse so they can find the root cause (pardon the pun!).

That's good practice to me. Also good practice is flossing! For the first 20 years of my life I never flossed. Met my wife and she got me in the practice of it and for the last 20 years I've flossed religiously. Makes a huge difference! I always get compliments from the hygienist on how clean everything is.