got my performance review, not happy

Young Grasshopper

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ive been working at this company for 2 years, during that time we were bought out by a fortune 1000 company and that company was bought by an even larger one.

i do system setups for our clients who pay us a monthly fee and we host it in our facilities. my responsibility is to get all new clients up and running, as well as configure and install additional equipment for existing clients. anyway our main office is based out in florida, with a satellite office here in SF. both office have about the same amount of harware however staff in florida is much higher than it is here. staff there is about 20-25 people where as here its 4. because of this, i tend to get dragged into several issues im not supposed to be doing only because we lack people here(and there since its always busy). this causes my own work to slow down, not to mention not be as accurate as my co-worker in florida. hes got the benefit of clocking, doing his work(which he does a good job of), then leavign at the end of the day and not have to worry about all this other crap since more people work there. also has a mon-fri shift. me on the other hand not only do i get dragged into crap as i mentioned, but i also have come in AT LEAST 30 times during the early morning hours/weekends because some equipment malfunctioned. not to mention i have been wokring saturdays to cover a department IM NOT EVEN IN for over a year now. i hated it also but i did it because i wanted to help out.

also when i first started, my boss(at the time, not anymore) told me they would be giving out performance reviews in a few months and at that time i would be evaluated. i didnt care a whole lot about it since i was new. i thought i would get a review at least. found out everyone else got a review with a merit raise, except me others here since they appearantly "forgot" about ours since we are in a remote office. next year i found out they were giving no merrit increases to anyone so that was another year with nothing.

so now my review comes last week and my new boss(since the acquisition) told me im doing a really good job, blah blah blah and out of a 5 he gives me a 3. he did not even tell me what i could improve upon or how to get a better score next year since he is new and doesnt know a whole lot about me. he also said he discussed with other managers about the extra help ive put with with the other depts. they review people here based on the bell curve so im sure alot of people got 3s also but still, its a little frustrating to lump me in with a bunch of others who have had the pleasure of working normal shifts and hours and such.....if i find out my co-worker(who does the same thing as me) got a higher score im really going to flip.


i think going forward im just not going to work saturday and let the other dept figure it out. not to mention just not come in when crap goes out. what for right? it obviously doesnt help, as i know i would have recieved at least the same score anyway. sorry i know i sound like a whiner, but it doesnt sit well with me that i recieved a "3". i would rather of not recieved a number and just left it at that, but i guess everyone recieved one. any advice would be helpful.
 

edro

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All companies grade strictly during a bad economy.
It is the only way to restrict pay when there isn't much to go around.
 

Young Grasshopper

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its just kind of frustrating. i enjoy the company and the work. not to mention since i was switched to hourly ive talled up almost 20k extra a year in overtime so its not all that bad.
 

rudeguy

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I gave up caring about reviews. I do my job the best I can and that's that. My boss knows that I only care about most of my numbers because they make her look better.

I didn't read the whole OP, but relax man..reviews never take into account all you do. Corporate bean counters make them that way on purpose.
 

Dr. Detroit

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Do your core job to the highest degree. Do not do the rest if it interferes with your core job.

Be a team player but no need to work everytime there is a problem.
 

El Guaraguao

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JS80

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3 out of 5 is VERY GOOD. 4 means you're ABOVE AND BEYOND. Only a few people should be getting this. 5 is reserved for the next Jack Welch.

You are reading waaay into it. I am instructed by HR to only give out 4s to the top of the top of the top. In fact, i haven't given out a 4 ever.
 

Young Grasshopper

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yeah, whats the story with the 5? my boss said something about its almost impossible to reach or something. he then told me some story about the navy and how they almost never give out 5s etcc.
 

JS80

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yeah, whats the story with the 5? my boss said something about its almost impossible to reach or something. he then told me some story about the navy and how they almost never give out 5s etcc.

It's a pretty fucking poorly designed rating system IMO. It confuses the fuck out of employees that a 3 is a very good rating.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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its just kind of frustrating. i enjoy the company and the work. not to mention since i was switched to hourly ive talled up almost 20k extra a year in overtime so its not all that bad.

So you get extra pay for coming in early and on those off days?

What are you complaining about then?
 

AreaCode707

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yeah, whats the story with the 5? my boss said something about its almost impossible to reach or something. he then told me some story about the navy and how they almost never give out 5s etcc.

It's the same in all companies. I ran the systems side of performance review at a company of 40k+ employees and it was the same there. I work at a well known tech company and have many friends at another well known tech company and it's the same at both of these too.

What it comes down to is
A. legitimate budget constraints
B. a legitimate need to stack-rank employees to fit into budget constraits
C. the legitimate attempt to stack-rank so that the definition of average employee is defined solely in relation to other employees in the company (and the unfortunate impossibility of accurately making that assessment)
D. the unfortunate exec management misunderstanding of statistically-relevant populations when distributing raises in a standard distribution model and their resulting crappy attempts to force managers with teams of 5 employees into giving ratings and raises on a standard distribution model

Your company isn't any dumber than others. :(
 

AreaCode707

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It's a pretty fucking poorly designed rating system IMO. It confuses the fuck out of employees that a 3 is a very good rating.

Yeah, pretty much. When you do a good job hiring type A people who are used to achieving and getting A++ in everything, they view "3" as a "C - needs improvement" rather than as an "A - performing expected tasks well". 4 and 5 are supposed to be the ++ on the A. However employees (and often managers) don't understand this and treat them 3, 4, 5 as C, B, A rather than A, A+ and A++.
 

JEDI

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its just kind of frustrating. i enjoy the company and the work. not to mention since i was switched to hourly ive talled up almost 20k extra a year in overtime so its not all that bad.

wait... you got paid to come in early, and on sat?! heck..overtime?!

what are you crying about then?! you did your job adaquately. it wasnt above and beyond. you got paid for theose extra hours you put in!
 

shortylickens

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Little something I learned in the Navy:
Evaluations and performance reports and such dont mean a whole heck of a lot in the real world. People who do kickass things and make shit happen either dont get reviewed at all, or completely ignore their evaluation because they have more important things going on.
And almost all review systems have serious flaws that generally only serve to ass fuck the guy who works hard every day and doesnt complain.
On the other hand, the guy who ignores his daily tasks and only works on special projects with high visibility tends to get excellent evals and also moves up the ladder a lot faster. I had a hard time grasping this concept my enlistment and was usually they guy busting his butt to get the daily grind completed, only to receive a mediocre eval because of it. In my civilian career I have tried much harder to stand out. Overall, it pays off better.

And as already pointed out: In these times companies will often find ways to ass fuck people so they can be swept aside easier when crunch time comes.

My thoughts on how we evaluate people extends to kids in school. Grading on a curve is total bullshit. And were I better at math I'd show you exactly why.

Even when you dont grade on a curve, there are often problems. We need to get off our current school system and go to something more modern. The system we use now was invented by Germans several hundred years ago. Most of Europe and Asia moved on to something better in the latter half of the 20th century.
 

JS80

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Little something I learned in the Navy:
Evaluations and performance reports and such dont mean a whole heck of a lot in the real world. People who do kickass things and make shit happen either dont get reviewed at all, or completely ignore their evaluation because they have more important things going on.
And almost all review systems have serious flaws that generally only serve to ass fuck the guy who works hard every day and doesnt complain.
On the other hand, the guy who ignores his daily tasks and only works on special projects with high visibility tends to get excellent evals and also moves up the ladder a lot faster. I had a hard time grasping this concept my enlistment and was usually they guy busting his butt to get the daily grind completed, only to receive a mediocre eval because of it. In my civilian career I have tried much harder to stand out. Overall, it pays off better.

And as already pointed out: In these times companies will often find ways to ass fuck people so they can be swept aside easier when crunch time comes.

My thoughts on how we evaluate people extends to kids in school. Grading on a curve is total bullshit. And were I better at math I'd show you exactly why.

Even when you dont grade on a curve, there are often problems. We need to get off our current school system and go to something more modern. The system we use now was invented by Germans several hundred years ago. Most of Europe and Asia moved on to something better in the latter half of the 20th century.

Sounds like the system works. Lesson: value add projects > daily tasks
 

shortylickens

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Sounds like the system works. Lesson: value add projects > daily tasks
Well, the SYSTEM almost always tells you to do what you're told and conform to standards that dont actually mean anything.
So no, the SYSTEM is fucked, but the folks who realize that early and work to trick it are often rewarded better.

Folks who make real shit happen dont worry about standards, and they generally dont worry about what anybody thinks of them, including a so-called "boss" who has demands and expectations of them. A really successful person sees a boss as a temporary thing which they may or may not learn a lot from.

So, I suppose the best thing the system does is separate the drones from the truly special people. In that case it works great.
 

Number1

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Obviously if you want to get ahead in the company you're going to need better performance reviews. Find out how to improve and work on that.


You enjoy the company and the work so my friend, you are doing OK.
 

spidey07

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I recently attended a internal seminar about how to deal with 20 somethings.

The jist of it was they simply must have reassurance and constant feedback and stroking in order to perform otherwise they just sit and mope. Thanks OP for confirming what we already know.

Also - dirty little secret - we fit all reviews to a bell curve, on purpose. You getting a 3 out of 5 means you're doing your job as expected, but are not exceeding. The exceeds people are ones we want to promote to continue building our castle, basically we want a severe show of loyalty to get anything other than a 3. Use this knowledge to further your career.
 
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