Just thought those that were looking to buy this monitor would like to ask a few questions and get my views straight to the point.
Right.....ask away...
Right.....ask away...
Got my Hitachi CML174 SXWB TFT up and running....Any questions?
- Thread starter Shagga
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I'm waiting for mine to ship (I'm gonna wait for the black vers.) but how do you like it so far?
What are your impressions and I'm sure we can all work some questions up...
Well, here's one.. Have you compared it with any other LCDs?
What are your impressions and I'm sure we can all work some questions up...
Well, here's one.. Have you compared it with any other LCDs?
What is your computer speed and video card? Also, have you used an LCD for desktop use before? If so, which one? What monitor did you come from before this LCD? Are you using LCD or DVI?
If you can handle Quake3, please do so. Load it up at 1024x768, NO anti aliasing. Make sure to check the FPS meter to see if you are above 125 most of the time. Play a game like Rocket Arena3, or Threewave CTF -- somethat NOT slow and VERY fast paced. Playing a game like Operation Flashpoint, or another "sim" like game, where gameplay is slow, DOES NOT COUNT.
Now tell me how the ghosting is. Usually, when people do review about games, their answer is mainly: it works, I see less ghosting. I don't want to hear that, I want as an accurate portrayal of how much ghosting there is when playing a very fast paced game.
vash
If you can handle Quake3, please do so. Load it up at 1024x768, NO anti aliasing. Make sure to check the FPS meter to see if you are above 125 most of the time. Play a game like Rocket Arena3, or Threewave CTF -- somethat NOT slow and VERY fast paced. Playing a game like Operation Flashpoint, or another "sim" like game, where gameplay is slow, DOES NOT COUNT.
Now tell me how the ghosting is. Usually, when people do review about games, their answer is mainly: it works, I see less ghosting. I don't want to hear that, I want as an accurate portrayal of how much ghosting there is when playing a very fast paced game.
vash
Quote: "Load it up at 1024x768, NO anti aliasing"
Actually, since this monitors native resolution is 1280x1024, wouldn't that be the better resolution to test at?
Actually, since this monitors native resolution is 1280x1024, wouldn't that be the better resolution to test at?
Wasn't sure what the native res was, but it doesn't matter. I'd just want the impressions from someone who plays a very fast paced game like Quake3. Any resolution is fine, as long as 120+ fps is a near constant.
vash
When you switch to a different resolution (like 1280 x 960 or 1024 x 768) does the image have black bars on the top and bottom or does it stretch to fill the screen? Is there an option to make it not stretch? thx.
I play alot of fast paced games with my CML174SXW, and at first you can detect a very very very slight amount of trailing, but after a few minutes, you forget about it. No Ghosting either.
Right there is a few to answer so here goes. By the way I got the Black (well it's actually Graphite) one.
When I first fired it up I immediately started to browse the web. What was immediately noticeable was it was really bright. Quick adjustment and noticed the brightness was up to full 100%. Dropped it to 50% and it is fine. Very clear. This is running at it's native resolution which is as you know 1280 x 1024. Also running at 32bpp and 75Hz.
My initial impressions having owned CRT's only, was oh where did all this desk space come from and oh, it seems small but only ½" smaller screen in the Horiz and Veritical screen size than my Iiyama VM Pro 450 19".
Now I have at work a HANSOL H711 which is a 17" TFT with what I believe is a Samsung Panel. I am going to bring it home this weekend hopefully and test them side by side. My initial thought are that they seem to have the same clarity. Difficult to say without one being next to the other, but I see no visual difference.
My Computer speed and video card is as follows. I have a P4 2.4GHz(B) 533FSB with 1GB of PC800 RDRAM. My video card is a Gainward GeForce4 Ti4600 750XP golden Sample clocked at 310/680. I have the monitor plugged in to the DVI slot and have not tried using the standard anologue.
I will install Q3 and report back shortly.
No ghosting whatsoever. By ghosting I guess you mean motion blur. Ok, the only 2 games I have tried are, Unreal2 and MoHAA to test the motion blur. This is what I honestly found when I fired the games up for the first time.
Unreal2 - Immediately the colours were very vivid when compared to my Iiyama CRT 19". In fact no doubt whatsoever, significantly clearer. Ok the intro ran and I let it do so. I did NOT notice any motion blur at all in this first scene, BUT the images seemed grainy and Jaggies were apparent moreso than my CRT. Anyway, fired up a single player game. Again the colours were much better and after ½ an hour gaming apart from the grainish look and sometime jaggy appearence I did not notice any motion blur. Mind you it's not really manic game play is it. However, making a few adjustments Jaggies didn't really become an issue, not as good a a CRT but not that bad really. It was noticeable at low resolutions more obviously such as 800 x 600. So, moved onto MoHAA. Again, much the same but because the feel and look was more realistic in terms of scenery etc the visuals itself were very good I have to say. (but, still not as good as a CRT)
Vash, It is really hard to say. I honestly didn't really notice any motion blur. But i will comment surther when I install Q3, i'll take some screen shots and e-mail them to you if you like.
I'll do both resolutions.
Just tried 1280 x 960 and the image stretches. No black bars. Which is good news.
You may be right and installing Q3 will show it I hope....hang fire....installing now....
Cheers ppl....
As a side note I asked the company to check b4 they shipped it for dead pixels which they kindly did for me. There are no dead/live pixels at all. No text blur noticeable when scrolling using black text on white background.
Hi,
According to the shop wesbite that i got mine from the colours are
ivory(white)
carbon(black)not graphite. But who give a F*uk, looks like black to me. Black is black, the fancy names are to make it sound better!!!
According to the shop wesbite that i got mine from the colours are
ivory(white)
carbon(black)not graphite. But who give a F*uk, looks like black to me. Black is black, the fancy names are to make it sound better!!!
Vash-
I tried to comply with your request on my ivory cml174..... I have Q3 but do not have Rocket Arena, I do have the Q3 Via Arena mod that is a pretty fast action map with 8 bots running. I didn't do a frame counter but Ihave a 9700 pro with a p4 2.4, so I can't be
running too shabby in the fps department. I didn't notice any ghosting when I played the game at the res. you wanted with no AA. My eyes aren't yours, but I couldn't detect ghosting since everything was moving so fast.
Shagga-
Here is a nice little program that MonitorsDirect.com offers online to check your LCD for color purity, dead pixels , ghosting and streaking - Monitor ToolKit. I'm sure it isn't an end all testing tool to see just where your monitor stands but it did show that I had no dead pixels or, at least on mine, no streaking or ghosting. Of course my eyes are probably older than most in this forum.
I tried to comply with your request on my ivory cml174..... I have Q3 but do not have Rocket Arena, I do have the Q3 Via Arena mod that is a pretty fast action map with 8 bots running. I didn't do a frame counter but Ihave a 9700 pro with a p4 2.4, so I can't be
running too shabby in the fps department. I didn't notice any ghosting when I played the game at the res. you wanted with no AA. My eyes aren't yours, but I couldn't detect ghosting since everything was moving so fast.
Shagga-
Here is a nice little program that MonitorsDirect.com offers online to check your LCD for color purity, dead pixels , ghosting and streaking - Monitor ToolKit. I'm sure it isn't an end all testing tool to see just where your monitor stands but it did show that I had no dead pixels or, at least on mine, no streaking or ghosting. Of course my eyes are probably older than most in this forum.
hey, where can i get one of the black ones for the cheapest?
how much are they?
thanks
do any stores like best buy or circuit city (i live near SF) have demo units?
thanks
how much are they?
thanks
do any stores like best buy or circuit city (i live near SF) have demo units?
thanks
In the Uk it's Graphite but like you say, who cares.
I installed Q3 last night. I'm at work now so nothing further to report at this stage. What I will say is that I don't seem to feel comfortable playing games on a resolution of less that 1280 x 1024. When I had a quick game of Q3 TA i played at 1024 x 768 and wasn't overly impressed, perhaps a little disapponted even but you must remember this is my first experience with games on an LCD. Anyway, I bumped it up to 1280 x 1024 and (for me) the jaggies were nowhere near as noticeable obviously, but I did feel IMO that the picture was quite acceptable.
Personally, I believe that this proves for me anyway that unless you have a decent video card, Gaming certainly on an LCD and at resolutions less than 1280 x 1024 is not that good. Just because the Jaggies are accentuated and mot because of streaking/motion blur....
Will report later on Q3.
Just so ya'll know, I ordered mine last Saturday and they are now out of stock on BOTH the white and black, it seems like I got one of the last white ones
As far as my questions go, how to do the colors look to you Shagga? Do you agree with the Anandtech review that the colors aren't as vibrant? How does the colors compare to the LCD you have at work? I was going to ask about how it looks running in 1024x768, but I guess you already answered that for me. Looks like I'll be bumping up the resolution on my computer, I'm sure my 1.5ghz Athlon and PNY GForce IV 4400 will handle that pretty well.
By the way, I should be getting mine next Monday, the 24th. Should have ordered it earlier. In any case, once I get it and run it through the paces I'll let you know how I like it. Also, the first game I plan on loading up is Morrowind, I want to see that Beautfiul Scenary on an LCD.
As far as my questions go, how to do the colors look to you Shagga? Do you agree with the Anandtech review that the colors aren't as vibrant? How does the colors compare to the LCD you have at work? I was going to ask about how it looks running in 1024x768, but I guess you already answered that for me. Looks like I'll be bumping up the resolution on my computer, I'm sure my 1.5ghz Athlon and PNY GForce IV 4400 will handle that pretty well.
By the way, I should be getting mine next Monday, the 24th. Should have ordered it earlier.
In any case, once I get it and run it through the paces I'll let you know how I like it. Also, the first game I plan on loading up is Morrowind, I want to see that Beautfiul Scenary on an LCD. Originally posted by: Frankie
Just so ya'll know, I ordered mine last Saturday and they are now out of stock on BOTH the white and black, it seems like I got one of the last white ones
We have plenty of stock of the white CML174. Our delivery the first week of March for the black units is almost sold out already.
Originally posted by: Frankie
Just so ya'll know, I ordered mine last Saturday and they are now out of stock on BOTH the white and black, it seems like I got one of the last white ones
As far as my questions go, how to do the colors look to you Shagga? Do you agree with the Anandtech review that the colors aren't as vibrant? How does the colors compare to the LCD you have at work? I was going to ask about how it looks running in 1024x768, but I guess you already answered that for me. Looks like I'll be bumping up the resolution on my computer, I'm sure my 1.5ghz Athlon and PNY GForce IV 4400 will handle that pretty well.
By the way, I should be getting mine next Monday, the 24th. Should have ordered it earlier.
Hi. The colours are far more vibrant on this LCD than my CRT, you really notice the difference. Indofar as comparing it with the LCD at work it's hard to say without both being side by side. I have not really noticed any difference when comparing it against the Hansol TFT panel, but like I say it's hard to say without a direct comparison....I'm not too keen on the 1024 x 768 but there really is no need to run it at that resolution providing you have a decent video card that is. Your Ti4400 will handle 1280 x 1024 I would have thought quite easily.
I think you will like what you see when it arrives and it would be good to post your thoughts.
filmore crashcart I'll try that link thanks.
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Yes there is very slight motion blur but it is only noticeable in a few cases. For instance when u throw a grenade in MoHAA and it's against a light background i.e. sky. You do see very slight motion blur from the grenade. So 16ms Response time is not perfect.
To be honest I think you wouldn't notice it when response times are down to 8/10ms which might be quite a while away unfortunately. I was constantly looking for the blur as opposed to just palying the game.Originally posted by: Gosharkss
Originally posted by: Frankie
Just so ya'll know, I ordered mine last Saturday and they are now out of stock on BOTH the white and black, it seems like I got one of the last white ones
We have plenty of stock of the white CML174. Our delivery the first week of March for the black units is almost sold out already.
Jim, i just received this email...
Due to high demand, the Hitachi monitors will not be available until
April. However, should stock status change, we will send you an email
notifying you of this. Should you have any questions, please do not
hesitate to contact us.
now i thought it was march when i placed the backorder last week, what happened? :|
Incorrect! Sorry for the confusion, we have plenty of white units. Send me e-mail with your order number and I'll check on it for you.
Jim
Jim
Originally posted by: Gosharkss
Originally posted by: Frankie
Just so ya'll know, I ordered mine last Saturday and they are now out of stock on BOTH the white and black, it seems like I got one of the last white ones
We have plenty of stock of the white CML174. Our delivery the first week of March for the black units is almost sold out already.
I ordered mine on Saturday and right before I made my post I decided to look and see if y'all still had them in stock and it said that there weren't any. I had the link saved to that page, so maybe I needed to refresh the page. In any case, it seems to be a very popular monitor and it seems that Black is very popular as well. If I could have waited for Black I would have but I've always had white monitors so no big deal. I'm just now wishing I had ordered it earlier so I could play with it this weekend. I'm like a kid in a toy store and I can't wait for my new toy to get here.
Yes that is true. I THINK the Hitachi one is 12ms rise and 4ms fall, can't remember now but that sounds about right.
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