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TechyGeek

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Decided to keep Corasair H110 after all. I'll try mounting it to side door with some heavy modding.

CPU: 4790k - 4.8 ghz@1.31 volts with 1.900 input. Max GPU ratio is set to minimum 8.
MB: ASUS z97 Pro wifi/bt.

32 - 34 C idle

I'm using RealTemp 3.7.

Any recommendations on
1. Stress tests - apps/config,
2. Temp monitors?
3. O.C. Tweaks?
I have the core on 1.3v but Bios reports 1.31 :O

This is definitely worth 340 + 50 for delid. With a weekend to kill I bet I can get much better results.
 

BonzaiDuck

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The answer to your first question lies in the second sticky post.

I scanned through that sticky to see if there was something I'd missed or if any new developments since late 2011.

IDontCare offers more refined insights to different stability tests, even though my practice was fairly parallel.

I'd say OCCT:CPU is probably the best first quick test of an overclock setting if the memory itself has been tested -- advice seems to be 3.5 hours. IDC points to a regimen similar to mine: Affinitized Linx, IBT, PRime95 (both sFFT and lFFT tests.)

I don't run HCI Memtest instances in Windows. I set aside a week's time on a new computer to run the bootable HCI Memtest CD for anywhere from 500% to 1000% coverage, and obviously, the more RAM, the longer it takes.

Here's my question, which I could not find in the sticky (through the years until you get to the end of it).

I've recently downloaded and installed Intel Extreme Tuning Utility.

The program has to be useful toward "some stress-testing purpose."

I'm wondering if it will find instability quicker than OCCT:CPU. Usually, new programs or developments with the old ones are posted in revisions to the initial sticky post, but it hasn't been updated since late 2011. And all but the last page of the sticky responses span the period through end 2013.

The biggest issue I've seen over the last year focuses on the Devils Canyon or Haswell Refresh processors, the heat and the AVX2 instruction set. So we're looking for a test regimen that doesn't need to press the temperature to the highest level while finding any of some few shortcomings in settings that will cause instability.

Obviously, TechyGeek's Silicon Lottery purchase and the possibility of choosing that path would make this less of an issue.

JUST A FOOTNOTE: CoreTemp, RealTemp -- what have you. These are fine -- always the old standbys, but need to be updated when new processors are released to cover their Tj specs. Some stress programs like OCCT and IXTU have temperature-monitoring built-in, and you can test their accuracy against the old standbys. I just say, if you can get your monitoring and stress-testing in a single program, it is convenient. Further, I've never had a problem with CPUID's HWMonitor for getting the "whole enchilada" to include accurate temperature monitoring. There is a collective wisdom in these forums that running more than one monitoring program at a time is asking for trouble, and may lead to false conclusions of instability in a stress-test.

For instance, some months ago I was stress-testing my i7-2700K system, and forgot that I'd left AiSuite (with its monitoring) to run while I started HWMonitor. A BSOD and reset occurred. I made sure to close AiSuite after reboot to make another pass. The stress-test ran 5 hours without missing a lick.

Moral -- don't jump to conclusions too fast if you had made the mistake of "monitoring-program abuse."
 
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Decided to keep Corasair H110 after all. I'll try mounting it to side door with some heavy modding.

CPU: 4790k - 4.8 ghz@1.31 volts with 1.900 input. Max GPU ratio is set to minimum 8.
MB: ASUS z97 Pro wifi/bt.

32 - 34 C idle

I'm using RealTemp 3.7.

Any recommendations on
1. Stress tests - apps/config,
2. Temp monitors?
3. O.C. Tweaks?
I have the core on 1.3v but Bios reports 1.31 :O

This is definitely worth 340 + 50 for delid. With a weekend to kill I bet I can get much better results.

Congrats :)
 

TechyGeek

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Have you tried pushing it higher yet?

This will take some work. I need to lower load temps. They're stable at 80c, but that's probably because my h110 heat sink is laying on hdd cage and psu, and the two fans for the heat sink are laying on top of it unsecured.

My Fractal Design Define R4 needs serious modding on the side door. I'll need to drill holes in the door to expand the air vent to accomodate 2 fans

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...yMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo

Look at the pictures.

After that with a day to kill I'll see what's possible.
 

crashtech

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Well your case has the grilles at the top for a 240mm radiator, but maybe it's too thick? You'd have to mount the fans on the outside, maybe.
 

DrMrLordX

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Nice results so far. The main thing you need to look out for when examining stability tests is that anything using AVX2 is going to punish your CPU more than something that does not. So, I would recommend two stress testing regimes: one without AVX2 and one with AVX2.

Anything based on current Linpack binaries or Prime95 28.5 is going to hit you with AVX2. I love y-cruncher as a stress test as well (1g or 2g if you have enough RAM for it), but that's going to hit you with AVX2 if you let it choose the best-performing module for your chip.

You can get older versions of Prime95 that won't use AVX2.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Nice results so far. The main thing you need to look out for when examining stability tests is that anything using AVX2 is going to punish your CPU more than something that does not. So, I would recommend two stress testing regimes: one without AVX2 and one with AVX2.

Anything based on current Linpack binaries or Prime95 28.5 is going to hit you with AVX2. I love y-cruncher as a stress test as well (1g or 2g if you have enough RAM for it), but that's going to hit you with AVX2 if you let it choose the best-performing module for your chip.

You can get older versions of Prime95 that won't use AVX2.

What's the verdict on Intel Extreme Tuning Utility -- often referred to as XTU? You may not know any more than I would at this point, but unless I've "missed something," hadn't seen where someone had put it into context with other testing software.

So far, I can only say that it has a milder effect on temperatures similar to OCCT:CPU. I can be fairly sure (and from firsthand experience) that OCCT:CPU will catch errors or instability relatively soon as compared to the established tests. I'm curious about XTU because it apparently originates from Intel.
 

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For stress software here's what's going on:
Initially I used Intel Burn Test. My temps using Intel Burn Test were 86c at highest. This passed with 3 hrs burn in. The voltage was 1.29 v, 1.92 vccin, with cache ratio set to 40, and cache voltage set to 1.23. I'll take pictures when I have more complete tweak.

I downloaded ROG RealBench S/W and started using that. Now my temps were in mid 60ies: 64-66c. I'm still playing with vcore, but I'm running out of patience.

To sum up:
SiliconLottery seems to consistently overstate voltage requirements. I got 4.8ghz stable at 1.29 vcore, with load temps in mid 60ies, idle in low 20ies.

I am quite happy with results.
 

BonzaiDuck

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For stress software here's what's going on:
Initially I used Intel Burn Test. My temps using Intel Burn Test were 86c at highest. This passed with 3 hrs burn in. The voltage was 1.29 v, 1.92 vccin, with cache ratio set to 40, and cache voltage set to 1.23. I'll take pictures when I have more complete tweak.

I downloaded ROG RealBench S/W and started using that. Now my temps were in mid 60ies: 64-66c. I'm still playing with vcore, but I'm running out of patience.

To sum up:
SiliconLottery seems to consistently overstate voltage requirements. I got 4.8ghz stable at 1.29 vcore, with load temps in mid 60ies, idle in low 20ies.

I am quite happy with results.

I see your posting history makes you a relative newcomer to the forums. Glad to have you aboard!

I guess I'm curious as to what regimen you provided to prove stability on that system. I don't question your results, but this is always a major factor in discussions of pros and cons of overclocking.

For instance, you might run Prime95 night and day, get through 50 affinitized LinX passes and so on. We've also encountered cases of "idle instability" -- some so infrequent that they might not seem attributable to OC settings.

But if it seems "stable" at this point, that voltage and the temperatures look pretty darn good. Especially your IBT results inspire confidence.

Don't run out of patience.
 

TechyGeek

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I think 4.8GHz@1.29V is super! (I bet there is a little more in it!)

Thanks. My Vcore is set to 1.29 but bios reports 1.30Xish. I need to know why, and how to stop it?

For testing:


I would leave Intel Burn Test running in the morning before I leave to work. :D When I came back for lunch break if the program was still running, it's stable for me.

If I see a desktop it's not stable. Eat lunch, adjust volts, repeat as above.
 

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It's just that I bought 280mm radiator lol oops.

If you come up with a solution for the R4 and the H110 let me know. I took out all of the HDD bays in the front, stuck my HDD in the 5.25 bay, and have the H110 zipped tied to the front where HDD bays were. So I'm intaking over the radiator and then the hot air is blowing into the case, with a fan in the back and top exhausting. Probably not optimal but I dunno...:\
 

TechyGeek

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If you come up with a solution for the R4 and the H110 let me know. I took out all of the HDD bays in the front, stuck my HDD in the 5.25 bay, and have the H110 zipped tied to the front where HDD bays were. So I'm intaking over the radiator and then the hot air is blowing into the case, with a fan in the back and top exhausting. Probably not optimal but I dunno...:\

I'm looking at possibly drilling holes into side door to "add" another 140mm opening. Mounting radiator on side door might be good option. Make sure that you have the fans blowing air into radiator(into case), and your other fans blowing the air out of the case.
 

crashtech

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Just curious, but if you are going to drill the case, could you not drill more holes in the top where a radiator was originally intended to go?
 

crashtech

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Sure, but cpu cable is in the way.
The motherboard comes up too high in the case, then? It would be assumed that a case designed for a top radiator should have some clearance for it, too bad if not so. Having the radiator in the side cover is a hassle every time you want to get inside the case.
 

TechyGeek

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That's correct. The hoses are long enough for quick entry, and if needed major work, it's not a big deal to unscrew the radiator. I'll see what I can do.

Right now it's running RealBench ROG stress test at 1.285 volts.
 

DrMrLordX

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What's the verdict on Intel Extreme Tuning Utility -- often referred to as XTU?

Unsure, I've been on AMD hardware for so long that there are plenty of Intel-based utilities that I haven't touched.

Right now it's running RealBench ROG stress test at 1.285 volts.

Looks like your temps for RealBench and IBT are manageable. You tried Prime95 28.5 yet?
 

BonzaiDuck

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Unsure, I've been on AMD hardware for so long that there are plenty of Intel-based utilities that I haven't touched.

XTU stresses with something akin to an OCCT:CPU temperature profile. The core average hovers around 65C; the package temperature which it presents as overall processor temperature hovers around 65C.

I almost expect my forum bro's and sis's to read my mind, so let me give a rundown summary of my system's cooling performance. 2700K @ 4.7 HT-enabled, 16GB DDR3-1600 RAM at spec 9-9-9-24-2N -- XMP. What folks refer to in later boards as "adaptive" voltage feature is called "Extra voltage for turbo" on the better Z68 boards -- original or Gen3. A lot of the less expensive boards with lesser phase-power design specs don't have that feature. For instance, this system uses the ASUS P8Z68-V Pro/Gen3 and latest (and last) BIOS. The P8Z68-V LK or Asus Z77-A don't have it.

So on an average 77F ambient day, Affinitized AVX-enabled LinX gives me 76C for maximum problem size, maximum memory. Intel Burn Test "Maximum" stress gives me approximately 72C. Prime95 (latest version) gives 68C for sFFT, and OCCT:CPU is closer to 65C.

XTU has a stress test for CPU and a stress test for RAM -- both tests cannot be run concurrently.

Monitoring is incredibly good, comprehensive and customizable. And the program contains a tuning feature as good as any I've had with Ai Suite. In fact, it exposes certain settings which I use for overclocking, but which are hidden in Ai Suite. Specifically, the adaptive "Extra voltage for Turbo" setting.

Fancy that. It beats out ASUS' own tuning program.

I'm only speculating that Intel or some affiliate would release XTU in recent months or years to complement the newer processors. Just a theory I have, and I don't know enough of the particulars to either confirm or dismiss it . . . my theory, I mean . . .

So I suppose I'm unsure whether XTU traps or captures errors of the same nature and as soon as OCCT:CPU. I've had OCCT:CPU catch instability that LinPack or 25 iterations of LinX didn't capture in a 3.5 hour test run.
 
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TechyGeek

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I downloaded XTU and gave it a try. Very nice utility indeed. I have to say that I think I've done enough tweaking and playing to be happy with my OC.

It's 4.8 ghz chip from silicon lottery, delidded with 1.29 vcore, 1.9 vccin and avg idle/load temps of 26/66.