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dmcowen674

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3-19-2013

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...d-ethanol-credits-valero-says.html?cmpid=yhoo

Ethanol Upending Refiners Pushes $13 Billion on U.S. Drivers



Bloomberg By Bradley Olson & Dan Murtaugh


U.S. drivers face a $13 billion increase in the cost of gasoline this year as the price of federally-mandated ethanol credits has risen 10-fold for oil refiners including Valero Energy Corp. (VLO) and CVR Energy Inc. (CVI)


Refiners buy biofuel credits, known as RINs, which are available as an alternative to actually blending ethanol into gasoline. The cost of those credits has ballooned from 7 cents at the start of the year to more than $1 as the 2013 federal mandate for biofuel exceeds 10 percent of gasoline sales, the maximum that refiners say the market can absorb.



Consumers are at risk of paying 10 cents a gallon more for gasoline this year if the ethanol credits continue to sell at a price of more than $1, Roger Read, a Houston-based analyst for Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC), said in a March 11 note to investors.

Pump prices may surge even more as the credits make imports more expensive and create an incentive for U.S. refiners to seek export opportunities where no ethanol blending is required, Read said.


Economic Cost

“The likely impact for U.S. consumers is higher gasoline prices as supply declines,” he wrote.


The Renewable Fuels Association, a Washington-based group that represents biofuel companies, had no immediate comment on the refiners’ statements.


An increase of 10 cents for every gallon of gasoline consumed with ethanol would equate to more than a $13 billion cost to consumers for the 13.8 billion gallons of ethanol that are mandated for blending this year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.



To contact the reporters on this story: Bradley Olson in San Antonio at bradleyolson@bloomberg.net; Dan Murtaugh in San Antonio at dmurtaugh@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Susan Warren at susanwarren@bloomberg.net


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Classic Scapegoating by Big Oil



This article is one of the most far-fetched cases of misinformation that I have ever seen reported. While this factually devoid piece may have a place in an opinion column, it is truly shocking that this is being reported as hard news.



First of all, just this morning, AAA, reported that average gas price has fallen for 17 of the last 19 days, when gasoline hit its year-to-date high of $3.79.That is in complete contrast to RIN prices, which are increasing. This negative correlation between lowering gas prices and increase RIN prices is definitive evidence that RINs are not a factor in gas prices.


This shows that the testimony of one individual from Marathon Oil at an EPA field hearing on March 8 suggesting that RINs will increase gas prices by 10 cents a gallon should not be taken as gospel. While he is entitled to an opinion, he certainly does not own the facts. It is time to peel back all the rhetoric and truly discuss what is going on with RINs and also discuss how they have NO impact on gas prices.



This is an issue about the forthcoming blend wall and refiners opting to pay a premium not to increase their blends from 10 percent ethanol to 15 percent, regardless of the exhaustive testing and EPA approval.



Their unflinching refusal to bring alternative fuels into the commercial marketplace, denying consumers both a choice and savings should be the real story.



Study after study has shown show that ethanol blended into fuel saves domestic consumers about $8 billion per year. Ethanol is not to blame, it is the solution. None of the recent press, or inflammatory statements from the oil companies mention the price savings that ethanol has generated in savings to the U.S. motorist. The reality is that ethanol is significantly less expensive, trading at substantial discounts to gasoline – roughly 70 cents.
When RINs were trading at only a few cents per gallon in February, when record gas prices were set after some 40 days of increases in gas prices, who was to blame then?


This is nothing more than a coordinated effort by oil companies and refiners who will stop at nothing to hold their near monopoly on the liquid fuels market and RIN prices are simply the most recent scape goat in the long quest to blame others for their absurd profits and never-ending increasing gasoline prices at the pump.


All we hear about is a domestic energy boom; more drilling and new oil and gas reserves.



But nothing changes; gas prices still increase and every time it’s the other guys fault, not the oil companies.



Let’s be honest here.



The oil industry is experiencing record profits on the backs of the American consumers.



And their industry sees renewable fuels such as ethanol that can be produced far less expensive than gasoline as a threat and they will go to great lengths to discredit any competition through misinformation and smear tactics.



Enough is enough – it is time to call this what it is – an orchestrated sham by the oil companies to manipulate markets, cause panic and attempt to use false data to blame an industry that has grown to be a threat to their record profits and bottom lines.


Ethanol is a win-win for America, creating jobs and revitalizing rural economies, it is better for our environment and it is reducing our dependence on foreign oil, all while providing consumers a choice and savings at the pump.



It is time for Americans to hear from someone other than oil companies, which are holding American consumers hostage to excessive prices and a dangerous dependence.


Tom Buis CEO, Growth Energy Washington, DC

Growth Energy Board Co-Chairs



Gen. Wesley Clark – U.S. Army (Ret.); Wesley Clark & Associates
Jeff Broin – POET, LLC

Growth Energy Board Members



Todd Becker, President — Green Plains Renewable Energy, Inc.
Bob Casper — POET Ethanol Products
Richard Childress — Richard Childress Racing
Ray Defenbaugh — Big River Resources, LLC
Dave Vander Griend — ICM, Inc.
Abe Hughes — New Holland Agriculture
Mark Marquis — Marquis Energy, Inc.
Steve McNinch — Western Plains Energy
Gary Pestorious — Pestorious, Inc.
Bruce Rastetter — Hawkeye Energy Holdings

Committee Chairs



Greg Breukelman, Communications
Greg Krissek, Technical


Mr. Gary Pestorious


Co-Owner


Frontier Family Farms


www.frontierfamilyfarms.net

20770 707Th Avenue
Albert Lea, Minnesota 56007
United States


Company Description: Frontier Family Farms is a local, family-run partnership comprised of three farming families, and a group of skilled employees, most of which have been with us for ten or more years. We are dedicated to improving the quality of every acre we farm through the use of new technologies. We work as a team with each landowner to optimize the productivity of each and every acre. By farming together, we maintain a financial strength upon which landowners may rely. Because of our unique business structure, we can assist with machinery liquidation or trading, offer tax-saving strategies to landowners who are nearing retirement, and help to protect the future of family farms.


www.growthenergy.org

Gary Pestorious, CEO, Pestorious, Inc. Gary Pestorious is CEO of a family-run 8,500-acre operation in Minnesota. Mr. Pestorious is a long-time member of the Minnesota Corn Growers Association and served as Chairman of POET-Glenville for the last ten years. He has served on the MCGA Board of Directors, the National Corn Growers Association's Ethanol Committee, and the American Coalition for Ethanol Board of Directors. Mr. Pestorious also served on the board of the Ethanol Promotion and Information Council and the Renewable Fuels Association. He currently serves on the boards of POET-Hanlontown and POET-Lake Crystal.
Daily Article Directory
www.mncorn.org, 22 Nov 2005 [cached]"Yes, this can be done," said Gary Pestorious."I see this industry growing as fast as possible and I do not think it will be a problem to get to ten percent by 2010." Pestorious is a member of the Minnesota Corn Growers Association board of directors and chair of EXOL, a farmer-owned ethanol cooperative in Albert Lea.He believes locally owned ethanol production can double in the next four years, and the remainder of the ten percent can be made up by ADM and other agribusiness conglomerates who have announced their intentions to build major ethanol production facilities in the US.

"I'm for Gil Gutknecht's plan," said Pestorious.

"Anything we can do as a country to stop losing our country's assets to foreign interests, whether it's ethanol, biodiesel, ethanol, solar, wind-any form of energy we can produce here, we should," said Pestorious....
Pestorious represents MCGA at ACE convention "I know SoyMor biodiesel meets ...
forums.tdiclub.com, 17 Dec 2009 [cached]"I know SoyMor biodiesel meets the specs," said SoyMor Chairman of the Board Gary Pestorious, "because it's a new state-of-the-art plant. We have an in-house lab and all our fuel is checked and is the highest quality that can be. THIS is what I like to see! ~BG Pestorious said the month-old law required diesel fuel sold in Minnesota to contain 2 percent biodiesel but it did not require the fuel to be produced in Minnesota. The impure biodisel may have been produced elsewhere in the midwest, he said, and shipped to Minnesota. "This is a very new industry," said Pestorious, "and when an industry grows as fast as this one is going to grow, there will be problems. This will make people in the industry real sure that their fuel meets specs. And that is as it ought to be." SoyMor General Manager Tony Prehm, agreed with Pestorious, saying it will probably be good for the industry.




Gary Pestorious, the ...
www.albertleatribune.com, 15 July 2011 [cached]Gary Pestorious, the chairman of the SoyMor Board of Governors, said more than 600 members of the SoyMor Cooperative approved the sale during a meeting June 27. "It hasn't been running for 3 1/2 years," Pestorious said. "We believe REG is going to start it back up." He said the plant closed after a big jump in soybean oil prices. ...
Pestorious said he thinks it will be positive for the community to have the company started back up and people hired.




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Interesting we continue to buy what the Oil companies shovel out.



Somehow Americans like to pay Valero, Exxon, BP, Halerburton, ect but not the American farmer.



The idiot author of the article can not do math he comes up $13BB...



If the shortfall is 400 MM gallons and the RIN's are $1 then the math is $400MM but he comes up with a number 32.5 times higher than the cost of the RIN's.



The idiot further ignores the fact that ethanol is now $0.70 per gallon cheaper than gasoline so @ 13.4BB gallons it saves the Oil companies roughly $9.1BB to blend ethanol into your gas...



Maybe Bloomberg needs to look at the math skills of their analyst...


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Londo_Jowo

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Interesting we continue to buy what the Oil companies shovel out.



Somehow Americans like to pay Valero, Exxon, BP, Halerburton, ect but not the American farmer.



The idiot author of the article can not do math he comes up $13BB...



If the shortfall is 400 MM gallons and the RIN's are $1 then the math is $400MM but he comes up with a number 32.5 times higher than the cost of the RIN's.



The idiot further ignores the fact that ethanol is now $0.70 per gallon cheaper than gasoline so @ 13.4BB gallons it saves the Oil companies roughly $9.1BB to blend ethanol into your gas...



Maybe Bloomberg needs to look at the math skills of their analyst...

Even more interesting you chose to leave this out of your quoted article.

Car Warranties

As the amount of gasoline the U.S. consumes has declined, refiners are unwilling to blend fuel with more than 10 percent ethanol to meet the federal requirement. For an alternative to blending ethanol, refiners buy credits called Renewable Identification Numbers, or RINs, to cover part of the requirement.

Some auto manufacturers won’t offer a warranty if drivers use fuel with more than 10 percent ethanol, effectively capping how much refiners can blend at about 13.4 billion gallons for 2013, Charles Drevna, the industry group’s president, said March 17 at the conference. That’s 400 million gallons less than the government mandate, raising demand for RINs to make up the difference.
 

dmcowen674

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So the battle lines are drawn this year between Big Oil with the ilk such as Jowo and lopped and The Farming Industry giants like ADM with the American citizen caught in the middle and bent over with no lube as usual.
 

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So the battle lines are drawn this year between Big Oil with the ilk such as Jowo and lopped and The Farming Industry giants like ADM with the American citizen caught in the middle and bent over with no lube as usual.

LMAO!!! I'm going to make good money no matter what goes on between oil and farming industry giants such ADM. They all purchase equipment from the company for whom I work. Power plants, chemical plants, and papermills purchase equipment as well. All these pieces of equipment require service and parts as well as technical support.
 

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my challenge: if the average cost of gas in the USA does not, even for a single day, hit $6 according to gasbuddy in 2013 you promise to leave this thread and never return.

What a surprise, no word on McCowen accepting this challenge. Troll knows he's a troll.
 

dmcowen674

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Gas prices jumped 30 cents

We are well over $4 here in Chicago once again.

Just under to our neighbors south of us:

3-19-2013

http://www.wthr.com/story/21677910/gas-prices-close-to-4-mark

INDIANAPOLIS -While you were sleeping, gas prices spiked at many central Indiana gas stations by as much as thirty cents, to $3.95 for a gallon of regular.

Petroleum analysts with GasBuddy.com say that prices in the Great Lakes states are particularly vulnerable right now as refineries continue their regular maintenance schedules. Plus, there's also the annual switch to the summer blend gasoline.

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What?

They were supposed to be done with that so called "Maintenance" and switched over to summer blend.

Besides like I've been saying why is my fucking problem and have to reward the incompetent workers with more of my hard earned money doing good work for their shitty job at doing maintenance?
 

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On the other hand, I can report that average gas prices in Tallahassee are a teeny bit lower today than yesterday; lower today than last week; lower today than last month and lower today than at this time last year. I paid $3.63 yesterday.
 

Londo_Jowo

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What?

They were supposed to be done with that so called "Maintenance" and switched over to summer blend.

Besides like I've been saying why is my fucking problem and have to reward the incompetent workers with more of my hard earned money doing good work for their shitty job at doing maintenance?

What?

Either you don't read the links you post or comprehend the discussion in the links. In the midwest and northeast the refineries are just now begining their maintenance period. Exxon Joliet will not shut down until late April/early May. Summer blends aren't sold in the northern states of the US until mid to late May and starting in late March to early April in the southern states.

Seeing you know how to run/maintain a refinery, maybe you should apply for a job at refinery and show the mechanics/operators how to properly do their jobs. I'm sure their union will welcome you with open arms.
 

dmcowen674

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3-20-2013

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-prices-fed-maintains-policy-200339607.html

The price of oil rose Wednesday as Federal Reserve officials signaled that they'll keep interest rates at historically low levels and maintain other measures meant to stimulate economic growth.

At the gas pump the average price for a gallon rose to $3.70. That's still down 3 cents from a month ago and 15 cents below the price at this time last year.

Wholesale gasoline rose 7 cents to finish at $3.12 a gallon.
 

Doppel

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Mcowen instead of posting links you don't read maybe you should take me up on my challenge yesterday. Then when you lose it you can stop trolling this thread.
 

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So the battle lines are drawn this year between Big Oil with the ilk such as Jowo and lopped and The Farming Industry giants like ADM with the American citizen caught in the middle and bent over with no lube as usual.

Get laid.
 

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my challenge: if the average cost of gas in the USA does not, even for a single day, hit $6 according to gasbuddy in 2013 you promise to leave this thread and never return.

What a surprise, no word on McCowen accepting this challenge. Troll knows he's a troll.

Bump for mcowned troll.
 

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No one liked my joke I guess.

I legit replaced the word "technology" with "price" when I read about shale oil boom articles.

All the oil wells that require extra effort, its not really because of technology that now all of a sudden they develop them, its because the price is so high. Thats what is happening. They would have made the technology in the 80's if the price were this high relative to everything else.
 
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Go Texas Go Texas Go Texas

Keep raising those prices :thumbsup:

3-21-2013

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/texas-retail-gasoline-prices-3-170027969.html

Texas retail gasoline prices up 3 cents this week

Retail gasoline prices across Texas have increased 3 cents this week.

AAA says crude oil prices have posted slight gains in recent weeks as a result of positive economic news.

BTW You left this out of your quote.

Texas drivers on average are paying 18 cents per gallon less than a year ago.
 

OverVolt

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Realistically I think Europe is a drag on gas prices, since they are having economic troubles. Troubles is a bit of an understatement though.
 

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BTW You left this out of your quote.

Like I said, he sensationalizes, be please stop your foolhardy BS of quoting anything from Texas for gas prices. Just as Chicago is on the top side for the US, Texas is wayyyyy on the lowside and I really don't care to even consider them as part of the discussion. There's swings as high as .25$ a gallon difference. When you're trying to run a company and keep your fleet of vehicles fueled, that impacts the bottom line BIG time. So please just stop with your BS of gas prices currently being ok, good for you that you live in Texas, most of the nation, however, does not.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=Houston&city3=&crude=n&tme=12&units=us
 

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Originally Posted by Londo_Jowo
BTW You left this out of your quote.


Like I said, he sensationalizes, be please stop your foolhardy BS of quoting anything from Texas for gas prices. Just as Chicago is on the top side for the US, Texas is wayyyyy on the lowside and I really don't care to even consider them as part of the discussion. There's swings as high as .25$ a gallon difference. When you're trying to run a company and keep your fleet of vehicles fueled, that impacts the bottom line BIG time. So please just stop with your BS of gas prices currently being ok, good for you that you live in Texas, most of the nation, however, does not.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=Houston&city3=&crude=n&tme=12&units=us

I'm still trying to get answers of why the site Management side with the clear liars Jowo and Lopped.

One of them was recently here and personally experienced and saw the wild 20 and 30 cents swings we have here that Jowo and Lopped insist are not happening.

I just posted the Indianapolis article that featured their 20 cent swing they just experienced and made the news there because they are not used to that wild swing like we get here in Chicago all the time.

Why they take the side of two people not physically here has been a mystery for a long time.

I've posted my address for those two to come here and physically tell me to my face that what I am experiencing right here is not happening according to them.

All this is in black and white on here for the world and history to see.
 

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More and more outpouring from Americans to Nationalize the Oil/Gas Industry in the U.S. and kick the Oil Thugs out.


3-22-2013

http://news.yahoo.com/drivers-face-high-gas-prices-160106432.html

Drivers face high gas prices despite US oil boom



US oil production is booming and gasoline demand is low, but prices at pump remain high



The U.S. is increasing its oil production faster than ever, and American drivers are guzzling less gas. But you'd never know it from the price at the pump.



High oil prices. Brent crude, a benchmark used to set the price of oil for many U.S. refiners, is $108 per barrel. It hasn't been below $100 per barrel since July. On average, the price of crude is responsible for two-thirds of the price of gasoline, according to the Energy Department.



Refinery shutdowns. Refineries temporarily close in the winter, when driving declines, to perform annual maintenance. That lowers gasoline inventories and sends prices higher nearly every year in the late winter and spring.



A major reason cited for high gasoline prices over the last two years — fighting and political tensions in the Middle East and North Africa — doesn't apply this year. Libyan production has returned after collapsing during the country's revolution two years ago. And higher production from the U.S. and Saudi Arabia has made up for Iran's declining output in the face of Western sanctions.



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joe • 11 hrs ago
It's gone up around 75 cents in just a few months. They have been using that refinery excuse for ever. Build more then, or maybe it's time to have a national oil company... Posting record profits and saying they can't lower prices is BS... And politicians seem to be less than interested in actually doing something about it.​
The 'D' is Silent • 15 hrs ago
We're exporting a TON of our oil, and why wouldn't we? Prices are high. These companies aren't in the business of being nice to people, they're in the business of making (stealing) money. Government is all too happy to help, so there's nothing we can do except lube up before we're bent over.​
NightKnight • 15 hrs ago
This is all Bunk. American oil companies should be required to cater to the needs of America first, then sell excess oil to the rest of the world. If they refuse to do that, fine, then it's time to declare all of the refineries within our borders and public domain and remove them from the private sector. America First, for American natural recourses. The greed of the oil companies has gotten out of hand. Price fixing is illegal. The states and the federal government need to put a stop to this. Make a very high export tax on crude oil. Force the oil companies to address this country's needs first, at reasonable prices.​
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Mr.Wisenheimer • 7 hrs ago

No they have decided we need to pay $6.00 a gallon and they are raising the price to maximum yield toward that goal. If they raise the price too fast demand drops off until people get used to that price, then they raise the price a little more each time throttling demand. Lately Corporations consider themselves more powerful than any county, so how gasoline prices affect consumers and the larger economy is not their problem


Col Korn • 12 hrs ago
Why is price of gasoline high ?
Number one US EXPORT is GASOLINE​
Chemical Man • 15 hrs ago
Yep and the next big export is Natural gas, So be prepaired for your electric bill to triple "at a minimum" as soon as those elected officials who are voted in by me and you but are owned by the lobbiest of corporate America, Give the Natural gas industry the permits needed to export Natural gas, Yet they all say they can not get a permit to build any new oil refineries in the U.S. bullcrap they do not want any new refineries because would help drive the price down.​
Art • 6 hrs ago
American oil for Americans. Nationalize the oil companies.​
bigjohnson • 3 hrs ago
No US produced oil should be allowed to be exported.

ohreely • 15 hrs ago
Nationalize the oil co's. I doubt even Congress can screw us as bad as big oil. F _ _ _ em.​
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dmcowen674

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I was debating if this should get it's own thread but the nuts in here attack the Poster (Me) instead of the contents of the article and that is what is mandated by the Management of the site so figured it should stay here in Whipersnappers thread.

3-22-2013

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-loo...aten-oil-barons-empire-010135876--sector.html


Looming divorce could threaten oil baron's empire



Continental Resources chief executive Harold Hamm, one of America's wealthiest and most influential businessmen, is embroiled in a contentious divorce that could lead to a record financial settlement and threaten his control of America's fastest-growing oil company.


Sue Ann Hamm, Harold Hamm's second wife and a former executive at Continental, filed for divorce on May 19, 2012, Oklahoma court records show.

Documents in the case are sealed. But in a March 7, 2013 filing obtained by Reuters, Sue Ann Hamm alleges that Harold "was having an affair" that she discovered in 2010, prompting her to later file for divorce.

Harold Hamm, 67, is a leading force behind the U.S. oil boom and served as the senior energy adviser to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's campaign.

Whether the Hamms signed a prenuptial agreement is unclear. Legal analysts who reviewed court filings said that without one, the case could lead to a record-breaking financial settlement - one that could exceed the $1.7 billion paid by News Corp. founder and chairman Rupert Murdoch to ex-wife Anna in 1999. One outcome could be a split of "marital property" that may include dividing Harold Hamm's controlling 68 percent stake in Continental, currently worth $11.2 billion.


"I don't know of anything that's ever been this big," said Barbara Atwood, professor emeritus of family law at the University of Arizona. "There's just so much money involved."

Hamm, the 13th child of Oklahoma sharecroppers, started his career at age 20, scrubbing scum out of oil barrels. A few years later, he drilled a 75-barrel-a-day gusher in his home state, helping pay for university classes in geology. He founded Continental in 1967, two decades before he and the former Sue Ann Arnall were married. She is an economist and a lawyer.

Hamm's biggest breakthrough came in the 1990s, when he helped discover the Bakken field of North Dakota, the largest new U.S. oil prospect since the 1960s. The discovery helped Continental lead a resurgence in U.S. oil production, using the controversial drilling method known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking.

The firm says it controls drilling leases to more oil-rich Bakken acres than any other company, helping to make Hamm the largest oil baron in the United States.


Hamm directly controls 126.3 million shares, or 68 percent, of Oklahoma City-based Continental and more through family trusts. Those shares alone are worth at least $11.2 billion.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Like I said, he sensationalizes, be please stop your foolhardy BS of quoting anything from Texas for gas prices. Just as Chicago is on the top side for the US, Texas is wayyyyy on the lowside and I really don't care to even consider them as part of the discussion. There's swings as high as .25$ a gallon difference. When you're trying to run a company and keep your fleet of vehicles fueled, that impacts the bottom line BIG time. So please just stop with your BS of gas prices currently being ok, good for you that you live in Texas, most of the nation, however, does not.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=Houston&city3=&crude=n&tme=12&units=us

I'll stop posting gas prices close to me just as soon as McOwned stops posting every outlying extreme high price or stops crying about how Chicago is being screwed which is partially due to local taxes (county & city) that others don't pay..
 

Londo_Jowo

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I was debating if this should get it's own thread but the nuts in here attack the Poster (Me) instead of the contents of the article and that is what is mandated by the Management of the site so figured it should stay here in Whipersnappers thread.

Boo Hoo.....poor baby. Maybe people will stop questioning you when you actually back up your claims.