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The-Noid

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The early morning market analysis is so ridiculous, its always wrong. Oil down below $95 at the moment, just barely.

Very slow day anyway. Watch for risk to do whatever equity risk does today.

Technically Oil is broken below $92.72 then we move all the way back to 82.xx. If oil fails to get above 100.75 and make a new high it is look out below here pretty quick. There is a lack of both fundamental and technical reasons to own oil at these levels and now we have cross margin issues of equity risk positions eating into winning oil positions, like we saw yesterday.
 

dmcowen674

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Very slow day anyway. Watch for risk to do whatever equity risk does today.

Technically Oil is broken below $92.72 then we move all the way back to 82.xx. If oil fails to get above 100.75 and make a new high it is look out below here pretty quick. There is a lack of both fundamental and technical reasons to own oil at these levels and now we have cross margin issues of equity risk positions eating into winning oil positions, like we saw yesterday.

So how many millions have you've made scamming Americans?
 

dmcowen674

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Forbes says OPEC is out of oil

6-16-2011

http://blogs.forbes.com/christopher...-summer-oil-shortage-this-economist-says-yes/

Could We See A Summer Oil Shortage? This Economist Says Yes.


China and Iraq, where because of electric power shortages governments and private citizens are turning to diesel. China has banned exports of diesel in efforts to secure enough to combat outages and has reduced production of chemicals to conserve fuel. Iraq in March bought 50 diesel generators to ease outages, with the nation’s electricity minister promising 16 hours of power a day by 2012.

This is a real power shortage. Whether the shortage is the result of insufficient oil, gas, coal, nuclear, hydro, is almost beside the point–there is not enough energy available (especially diesel) to meet demand. This is why Alhajji doubts that any efforts by the Saudis or like-minded OPEC nations will be able to forestall a shortage of oil this summer.
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Could We See A Summer Oil Shortage? This Economist Says Yes.

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OPEC headquarters. Running on empty?


Oil prices might be high, but there’s no shortages around the world, right? Think again, says Anas Alhajji, chief economist at NGP Energy Capital Management in Dallas. The U.S. might be getting all the oil it demands, but the story is different in places like China and Iraq, where because of electric power shortages governments and private citizens are turning to diesel. China has banned exports of diesel in efforts to secure enough to combat outages and has reduced production of chemicals to conserve fuel. Iraq in March bought 50 diesel generators to ease outages, with the nation’s electricity minister promising 16 hours of power a day by 2012.
This is a real power shortage. Whether the shortage is the result of insufficient oil, gas, coal, nuclear, hydro, is almost beside the point–there is not enough energy available (especially diesel) to meet demand. This is why Alhajji doubts that any efforts by the Saudis or like-minded OPEC nations will be able to forestall a shortage of oil this summer.


“We have a major problem right now, especially in July and August,” he says. The Saudis and Gulf allies may say that they intend to ramp up oil production, but not much of any increase will make it through to export markets. “Most of the increase in crude oil production will be burned in utilties’ power plants and in private generators in the oil producing countries to mitigate power shortages,” he says. Anything left will be burned up in China.

In the United States, Alhajji sees the Federal Reserve’s moves to keep interest rates low and to debase the dollar through quantitative easing as also contributing to high prices. As the dollar sheds value it will naturally lead to high dollar-denominated oil prices. As the U.S. pays ever more for foreign oil, the trade balance will worsen, further eroding the value of the dollar and further propping up oil prices.

Fueling cars with compressed gas, powering electric cars with electrons made from burning gas, will help reduce oil demand both here and in the rest of the world. We need some sort of solution, he says, becauase, at least for the short-term, “OPEC cannot deliver.”
 

dmcowen674

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Obama tried to swap oil with the Saudis but it didn't materialize

6-16-2011

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110615/ts_nm/us_saudi_us_crude_exclusive_pictures_1

Saudi, U.S. debated oil reserve swap before OPEC



It was to be a swap felt around the world -- a plan privately discussed by the world's largest oil exporter and the globe's biggest consumer to take the heat out of $120-plus oil prices. In the weeks leading up to the failed June OPEC meeting, U.S. and Saudi officials met to discuss surprising the market with an unprecedented arrangement: exchanging urgently-needed high-quality crude oil stored in the U.S. emergency reserve for heavier, low-quality oil from Saudi Arabia, according to people familiar with the plan.


The idea involved shipping some of the light low-sulphur, or "sweet," crude out of the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve to European refiners, who needed it after the war in Libya cut off shipments of its premium crude varieties coveted for making gasoline and diesel.

In return Saudi Arabia would sell its heavier high-sulphur or "sour" crude at a discount back to the United States to top up the caverns that hold America's emergency stocks.
It was a striking suggestion, one that would have demonstrated Washington's readiness to put the SPR to extraordinary use and Riyadh's willingness to work creatively with consumers to quell high prices.


But it did not make it past the drawing board, four sources familiar with the talks confirmed. The sources disagree on which country proposed the plan. Two said it fell apart because Riyadh was not willing to subsidize European or U.S. customers by discounting its crude prices below market value.

PAIN IN THE POLLS


The swap idea illustrates a recently deepening engagement between Saudi Arabia and the United States on oil affairs under President Barack Obama, and shows how high the stakes were ahead of the meeting of the

Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries on June 8 in Vienna.


With gasoline prices topping $4 a gallon in many parts of the United States, Obama was seeing his support ebb in opinion polls, just as the White House was beginning to focus on the 2012 election.
 

Doppel

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Very slow day anyway. Watch for risk to do whatever equity risk does today.

Technically Oil is broken below $92.72 then we move all the way back to 82.xx. If oil fails to get above 100.75 and make a new high it is look out below here pretty quick. There is a lack of both fundamental and technical reasons to own oil at these levels and now we have cross margin issues of equity risk positions eating into winning oil positions, like we saw yesterday.
Your technical indicators (specific break and resistance points) are hilarious and completely worthless, FYI.

Now look at Dave posting more nonsense instead of oil prices since they are moving in an opposite direction from his desires, now under $94.
 

EagleKeeper

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Saw it at Sunoco $3.59 yesterday in Detroit. Most other places were around $3.69

Prices have recovered from the $0.40-0.50 jump of the beginning of June.
 

The-Noid

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Your technical indicators (specific break and resistance points) are hilarious and completely worthless, FYI.

Now look at Dave posting more nonsense instead of oil prices since they are moving in an opposite direction from his desires, now under $94.

Exactly why we bounced off 92.60 today, right? Same reason we bounced off 1252 in the SPX e-mini's yesterday right? Should we also talk about the $500B that is invested in technical currency overlay by US institutions?

Think what you want about technicals but in this market where there are no fundamentals technicals work in the short term. Same reason I picked up $.85 on my limit and have closed the position already. Still going to hold the long e-minis from 1252.50 yesterday. Stop at 1267.
 
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dmcowen674

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From Yahoo...

What is propping up the dollar?

I thought it was going away to be replaced by Gold?

Haven't seen any station below $4 in Chicago yet, maybe outside the city but stations in the city here still around $4.30 and higher.

6-17-2011

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-f...7.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=3&asset=&ccode=

Oil falls 2 percent, below $93 a barrel; gas lower



Oil drops below $93 per barrel for the first time since February; gas pump prices down as well


Oil dropped below $93 per barrel for the first time since February as the European financial crisis kept investors on edge about the international banking industry and the prospects for global economic growth this year.

In addition the dollar rose this week as the euro and other currencies fell. That helped push down oil. Crude is priced in U.S. currency and tends to fall as the dollar rises and makes oil more expensive for investors with foreign money.

Oil demand has been falling in the U.S., and the Energy Information Administration said that trend continued this week. EIA said Wednesday that petroleum consumption fell 3.2 percent when compared with levels from a year ago.

At the pump retail gasoline prices fell by a penny on Friday to a new national average of $3.675 per gallon, according to AAA, Wright Express and Oil Price Information Service. Gasoline has dropped 25.1 cents in the last month, but it's still 96.8 cents higher than a year ago.
 

EagleKeeper

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Report just in.

Coworker's wife got fuel this AM at $3.95 in Chicago itself.
 

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Woohoo, we may get to below $3.00/gal shortly. Hopefully dmcowen674 will continue paying over $4.00/gal for some time to come.

This would definitely be the best of both worlds; everyone with sub-$3 gas and dmcowen paying near $5.
 

Doppel

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Exactly why we bounced off 92.60 today, right? Same reason we bounced off 1252 in the SPX e-mini's yesterday right? Should we also talk about the $500B that is invested in technical currency overlay by US institutions?

Think what you want about technicals but in this market where there are no fundamentals technicals work in the short term. Same reason I picked up $.85 on my limit and have closed the position already. Still going to hold the long e-minis from 1252.50 yesterday. Stop at 1267.
You said that "Technically Oil is broken below $92.72 then we move all the way back to 82.xx.", so if that's the case why is it "bouncing" off $92.60? And then after you wrote this between then and now it actually blipped below $92, but is above $93 again.

What magical event will happen at $82.xx? Will it pop up again? Fall? Hang there for a week, a month, what? When will we hit $82.xx?

Your technical indicators are literally as accurate as reading tea leaves. Surely you know this. If they were so definite they wouldn't be, by the very definition of what they are supposed to predict (i.e. if everyone agreed on them we'd already be there, which would thus invalidate them).

Report just in.

Coworker's wife got fuel this AM at $3.95 in Chicago itself.
As chicagogasprices confirms. I think dmcowen must be choosing ghetto stations or donating money with each purchase.

Big ups to Penfed--thanks to the two fellows above who recommended this 5&#37; off card. I got it in the mail about a week back and have made a couple of purchases since :)
 
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mizzou

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Heres what i find amazing, we are all so jaded it seems like anything in the $2.00 range is mana from heaven
 

bfdd

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3.70 @ the Arco down the street, was 3.87 last week. Mobile went back up to 3.97 though yesterday and I saw it at 3.87 today. Step brother saw 3.49 down in the OC a few days ago. I was a little off on my prediction of the price drop, but really I can't be blamed as they're being really slow to pull back the market manipulation. Probably taking it slow so it's not so obvious, but it hurts our wallets so fuck them.

OPEC is not out of oil and neither are the Sauds. They KNOW prices are going to tank over the next couple months and they're doing EXACTLY what they did a few years ago. Cut production and claim demand is to high. Fact is demand is not that high, it has been rather stagnant for awhile.
 

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Heres what i find amazing, we are all so jaded it seems like anything in the $2.00 range is mana from heaven

I would be ok with $2.00 a gallon, that's not that absurd in todays times imo. Obviously we would all prefer if it went back down to a buck or less.
 

EagleKeeper

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I would be ok with $2.00 a gallon, that's not that absurd in todays times imo. Obviously we would all prefer if it went back down to a buck or less.

That price would cause some of the weak wells to shut down; starting the cycle all over again. ROI for exploration also becomes a loss.
 
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Doppel

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If it ever gets that cheap again it's because half the world is dead from a virus, those days won't ever return.
 

dmcowen674

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10-14-2006

Peak Oil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil

The International Energy Agency (IEA) says production of conventional crude oil peaked in 2006.

Criticisms

Some do not agree with peak oil, at least as it has been presented by Matthew Simmons. The president of Royal Dutch Shell's U.S. operations John Hofmeister, while agreeing that conventional oil production will soon start to decline, has criticized Simmons's analysis for being "overly focused on a single country: Saudi Arabia, the world's largest exporter and OPEC swing producer." He also points to the large reserves at the U.S. outer continental shelf, which holds an estimated 100 billion barrels (16×109 m3) of oil and natural gas. As things stand, however, only 15% of those reserves are currently exploitable, a good part of that off the coasts of Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas. Hofmeister also contends that Simmons erred in excluding unconventional sources of oil such as the oil sands of Canada, where Shell is already active. The Canadian oil sands—a natural combination of sand, water, and oil found largely in Alberta and Saskatchewan—is believed to contain one trillion barrels of oil. Another trillion barrels are also said to be trapped in rocks in Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming,[152] but are in the form of oil shale.
 

Engineer

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$3.41 (after $0.10 discount) this morning. $3.38 this evening but that Shell didn't do the Kroger discount, simply had $0.10 lower than anyone else.