Got caught pirating

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: AdamK47
Pay for your PC games! It's not that hard to find everyting on Amazon or eBay are a reasonable price. I've gotten all of these legally that way. As you can imagine, I despise people who steal from the developers who made all these great games.

Sorry, I'm not fucking rich like you.

:roll:

So that gives you permission to steal?

:roll:

All I'm saying is that he can obviously afford all those games, so he can get the fuck off his high horse about despising people who steal.

And what give me the permision to steal?

Easy.

I'm fucking God. We have a very healthy relationship.

:roll:

I'm done trying to justify anything. Go read the piracy threads for my view on it.

edit:

Originally posted by: newb111
I gave him permission, so it's ok.

That too

You'rer done justifying because you CAN'T justify it. Sorry. Stealing is stealing.

You seem to have an entitlement sense. You are not entitled to video games or downloadable media.

Let me put it in terms you can understand.

If you download a game and you are a millionaire you stole it.

If you download a game and you are a broke SOB you stole it.

There is NO difference.

Go read the fucking threads.

I'd quite like to not read any more of your bullshit. You have provided plenty of material in this thread.

:laugh:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me..._key=y&keyword1=piracy

http://forums.anandtech.com/me..._key=y&keyword1=piracy

http://forums.anandtech.com/me..._key=y&keyword1=piracy

edit: then go read through those, and maybe you'll realize I'm not the only person who thinks the way I do. In fact, the majority of people in the first thread seem to think it's OK.

 

[Skunkwourk]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Canai
Sorry, I'm not fucking rich like you.

:roll:

But you're rich enough for the computer in your signature?

Yes. When I manage to save up $1k, it goes into a computer. The last computer I built was in early 2002. That's five (5) years I spent putting a little money away each month to save for a computer.

I read your argument about demos. I still think its wrong. Everyone can read reviews, or ask. If thats not accurate enough for you, you're pretty much out of luck. Theres a risk in buying anything, we all make impulse purchases we regret and we don't always try before we buy. Just cause you can pirate a game to try it out doesn't mean you should. I don't see how you can downplay pirating a game based on the lack of a demo, even if you're poor.

EDIT: are you conceding that is is wrong, but that it is a necessary evil?

 

[HannibalX]

Stealing is stealing.

People who steal always have an excuse as to why they can't follow the law like they are special somehow.

Then once you have confronted them their response is always "well other people do it to so it must be ok".

If you steal games you are a douchebag, plain and simple (and a thief/low-life).

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: m0mentary

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Canai
Sorry, I'm not fucking rich like you.

:roll:

But you're rich enough for the computer in your signature?

Yes. When I manage to save up $1k, it goes into a computer. The last computer I built was in early 2002. That's five (5) years I spent putting a little money away each month to save for a computer.

I read your argument about demos. I still think its wrong. Everyone can read reviews, or ask. If thats not accurate enough for you, you're pretty much out of luck. Theres a risk in buying anything, we all make impulse purchases we regret and we don't always try before we buy. Just cause you can pirate a game to try it out doesn't mean you should. I don't see how you can downplay pirating a game based on the lack of a demo, even if you're poor.

EDIT: are you conceding that is is wrong, but that it is a necessary evil?

IP rights need to be completely rewritten for the digital age. It is technically illegal, and wrong in the eyes of many. I don't feel bad about it, because, like downloading music, it leads me to purchase games and CDs I would never have otherwise bought, something I'd think the publishers / record companies would like.

I agree it's illegal, but as to whether or not it is 'wrong', well, that's the tricky part.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Stealing is stealing.

People who steal always have an excuse as to why they can't follow the law like they are special somehow.

Then once you have confronted them their response is always "well other people do it to so it must be ok".

If you steal games you are a douchebag, plain and simple.

Hooray I'm a douchebag!!!

:roll:

I'm not hiding behind other people doing it. As far as I can tell, I'm the most vocal proponent of piracy / torrenting that posts here. All I'm saying is I'm not alone in the way I feel. Telling me it's stealing over and over isn't going to make any difference.

We need to get past the whole "OMFG it's illegal BAD BAD BAD" mentality and look at how it can be fixed. What I don't get is why we are still applying laws that were written before things like mass communication and the internet were even considered.

 

[jaqie]

Just a little side comment here, I don't wanna get into the fight, just make a side comment.
I have had many things stolen from me over the years due to circumstances much too complex to explain here, my point is this: After paying for the same things over and over again only to have them stolen, broken, or lost, I got sick of paying over and over for the same thing. A perfect example would be the movie Willow and the game Quake 1. After buying both of those about four times each, I decided I was sick of paying for copies for thieves and such, and started downloading a replacement. I feel entirely justified in that, as I did pay for it many times over. This is also one of the biggest reasons I love steam - I registered HL with it and never, ever had to worry about losing it again.

 

[Ricemarine]

You are a pirate!

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: jaqie
Just a little side comment here, I don't wanna get into the fight, just make a side comment.
I have had many things stolen from me over the years due to circumstances much too complex to explain here, my point is this: After paying for the same things over and over again only to have them stolen, broken, or lost, I got sick of paying over and over for the same thing. A perfect example would be the movie Willow and the game Quake 1. After buying both of those about four times each, I decided I was sick of paying for copies for thieves and such, and started downloading a replacement. I feel entirely justified in that, as I did pay for it many times over. This is also one of the biggest reasons I love steam - I registered HL with it and never, ever had to worry about losing it again.

Steam is awesome. I have paid for a crapload of games on Steam. Platforms like Steam are going to be the future of digital media distribution - nothing is tied to local machine, you don't need discs, you can uninstall and install whenever you want, almost everything has a demo or a free version, and everything is constantly kept up to date. I started DLing music after my massive CD binder got stolen out of my car back in high school.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Stealing is stealing.

People who steal always have an excuse as to why they can't follow the law like they are special somehow.

Then once you have confronted them their response is always "well other people do it to so it must be ok".

If you steal games you are a douchebag, plain and simple.

Hooray I'm a douchebag!!!

:roll:

I'm not hiding behind other people doing it. As far as I can tell, I'm the most vocal proponent of piracy / torrenting that posts here. All I'm saying is I'm not alone in the way I feel. Telling me it's stealing over and over isn't going to make any difference.

We need to get past the whole "OMFG it's illegal BAD BAD BAD" mentality and look at how it can be fixed. What I don't get is why we are still applying laws that were written before things like mass communication and the internet were even considered.

The laws were written for a wide range of applications that's why.

Yes I will continue on with the whole stealing things, because that's what it is! It's not ok to take somthing that doesn't belong to you. You can sugar coat it all you want but you can't justify it. No we can't move on because there is nowhere to move to. Stealing is stealing.

If you go into BestBuy and take a game off the shelf without paying you stole it.

If you fire up uTorrent and download a game you didn't pay for you stole it.

It is wrong and it is illegal. Someone else worked to create that product and they will sell it at a price they set. That's how free enterprise works.

Your entire argument is flawed.

And yes, if you steal things you are a douchebag.

 

[Canai]

I'm done with this. Go read the piracy threads for my reply to what you said, as it's been said many times before.

Time to go outside and steal me some air and sunlight!

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Canai
I'm done with this. Go read the piracy threads for my reply to what you said, as it's been said many times before.

Time to go outside and steal me some air and sunlight!

I don't blame you.

The whole "the end's don't justify the means" clause is difficult to beat.

 

[BlackTigers]

so Pale Rider, I assume you have a healthy torrent collection of games?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

It's usually a slap on the wrist.

 

[Eeezee]

Maybe try IRC? If you know what you're doing it can be better than any public bit torrent site

Cox has a 3 strike rule, I got up to 2 before I moved anyway On the third strike they completely disable your account supposedly.

 

[fustercluck]

Hey hey, thanks for the replies. Usually when a thread blows up so quick it's not a good thing, but it's nice to see everyone doesn't hate me - Still haven't got a whole slew of advice yet, but thanks to those who did.

I think the real thieves are the people who put $60+tax price tags on DVD discs that cost 2 dollars, charge $1400 for photoshop, etc. Sure you're paying for the content on the disc, but $60 is still pretty crazy to be an average price of a video game. Though I paid $50+tax for the orange box and that was well worth the money, so it depends. Also paid $80 for Super Mario RPG back in the day, and that was well worth it too, even though they gouged me big time.

Anyways, I'm a thief by definition but the multi billion dollar industries of multimedia (games/software/movies) are thieves to some extent also, or just damn greedy, or both. Anything I pirate I would not pay for if I could anyways, so no one's losing any coin. It was a Game I got caught downloading, from a private torrent site (though I don't think there's really such a thing as a 'private' torrent site). Though I download MP3s fairly often. I don't care about movies, I don't even want to watch them if their on TV.

Yo ho yo ho, a Pirate's life for me. I can very much understand if you don't see things my way.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: m0mentary

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Canai
Sorry, I'm not fucking rich like you.

:roll:

But you're rich enough for the computer in your signature?

Yes. When I manage to save up $1k, it goes into a computer. The last computer I built was in early 2002. That's five (5) years I spent putting a little money away each month to save for a computer.

I read your argument about demos. I still think its wrong. Everyone can read reviews, or ask. If thats not accurate enough for you, you're pretty much out of luck. Theres a risk in buying anything, we all make impulse purchases we regret and we don't always try before we buy. Just cause you can pirate a game to try it out doesn't mean you should. I don't see how you can downplay pirating a game based on the lack of a demo, even if you're poor.

EDIT: are you conceding that is is wrong, but that it is a necessary evil?

Making an impulse purchase is not a smart idea, regardless of whether you think that everyone does it. The only impulse purchases I make are at the grocery store when I want to try something new I never buy an expensive piece of electronics ($50+ per game, $200+ per video card, etc.) without investigating everything first.

It's true that we don't always try before we buy. The only reason we don't try is because sometimes we can't. I can't try the video card in my computer before I buy it. I can't imagine a scenario in which ATI or nVidia could somehow let everyone demo their video cards.

Games, on the other hand, should all have demos released with them. They take barely any time to make once the product is finished, and it's an easy way to boost sales. It's inexcusable. Only shitty games won't benefit from releasing a demo.

Maybe if the producers of shitty games would get their heads out of their asses, they'd realize that the financial problems some game companies are facing are due to their production of shitty games! In most cases piracy is providing a minimal impact. Look at Stardock. Look at Bioware. Look at Rockstar. They all produce excellent games, and none of them are in financial trouble. They've all benefited from releasing demos (Although Rockstar less so, their Max Payne franchise definitely sold more due to good demos, but it's hard to make a demo for the GTA series so they didn't - go to a retailer and play it there, instead, as a suitable demo substitute)

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Stealing is stealing.

People who steal always have an excuse as to why they can't follow the law like they are special somehow.

Then once you have confronted them their response is always "well other people do it to so it must be ok".

If you steal games you are a douchebag, plain and simple.

Hooray I'm a douchebag!!!

:roll:

I'm not hiding behind other people doing it. As far as I can tell, I'm the most vocal proponent of piracy / torrenting that posts here. All I'm saying is I'm not alone in the way I feel. Telling me it's stealing over and over isn't going to make any difference.

We need to get past the whole "OMFG it's illegal BAD BAD BAD" mentality and look at how it can be fixed. What I don't get is why we are still applying laws that were written before things like mass communication and the internet were even considered.

The laws were written for a wide range of applications that's why.

Yes I will continue on with the whole stealing things, because that's what it is! It's not ok to take somthing that doesn't belong to you. You can sugar coat it all you want but you can't justify it. No we can't move on because there is nowhere to move to. Stealing is stealing.

If you go into BestBuy and take a game off the shelf without paying you stole it.

If you fire up uTorrent and download a game you didn't pay for you stole it.

It is wrong and it is illegal. Someone else worked to create that product and they will sell it at a price they set. That's how free enterprise works.

Your entire argument is flawed.

And yes, if you steal things you are a douchebag.

Clearly you have convinced him of the error of his ways! Thanks for being a forum douche :roll:

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: ropeadope
Hey hey, thanks for the replies. Usually when a thread blows up so quick it's not a good thing, but it's nice to see everyone doesn't hate me - Still haven't got a whole slew of advice yet, but thanks to those who did.

I think the real thieves are the people who put $60+tax price tags on DVD discs that cost 2 dollars, charge $1400 for photoshop, etc. Sure you're paying for the content on the disc, but $60 is still pretty crazy to be an average price of a video game. Though I paid $50+tax for the orange box and that was well worth the money, so it depends. Also paid $80 for Super Mario RPG back in the day, and that was well worth it too, even though they gouged me big time.

Anyways, I'm a thief by definition but the multi billion dollar industries of multimedia (games/software/movies) are thieves to some extent also, or just damn greedy, or both. Anything I pirate I would not pay for if I could anyways, so no one's losing any coin. It was a Game I got caught downloading, from a private torrent site (though I don't think there's really such a thing as a 'private' torrent site). Though I download MP3s fairly often. I don't care about movies, I don't even want to watch them if their on TV.

Yo ho yo ho, a Pirate's life for me. I can very much understand if you don't see things my way.

I've always wondered how Photoshop can survive at such a high price. The GIMP is just as good, and it's open source!

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: ropeadope
Hey hey, thanks for the replies. Usually when a thread blows up so quick it's not a good thing, but it's nice to see everyone doesn't hate me - Still haven't got a whole slew of advice yet, but thanks to those who did.

I think the real thieves are the people who put $60+tax price tags on DVD discs that cost 2 dollars, charge $1400 for photoshop, etc. Sure you're paying for the content on the disc, but $60 is still pretty crazy to be an average price of a video game. Though I paid $50+tax for the orange box and that was well worth the money, so it depends. Also paid $80 for Super Mario RPG back in the day, and that was well worth it too, even though they gouged me big time.

Anyways, I'm a thief by definition but the multi billion dollar industries of multimedia (games/software/movies) are thieves to some extent also, or just damn greedy, or both. Anything I pirate I would not pay for if I could anyways, so no one's losing any coin. It was a Game I got caught downloading, from a private torrent site (though I don't think there's really such a thing as a 'private' torrent site). Though I download MP3s fairly often. I don't care about movies, I don't even want to watch them if their on TV.

Yo ho yo ho, a Pirate's life for me. I can very much understand if you don't see things my way.

I've always wondered how Photoshop can survive at such a high price. The GIMP is just as good, and it's open source!

GIMP is no where near as godlike as Photoshop is. Photoshop is one of the few pieces of software that is worth every penny.

 

[Skunkwourk]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: m0mentary

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Canai
Sorry, I'm not fucking rich like you.

:roll:

But you're rich enough for the computer in your signature?

Yes. When I manage to save up $1k, it goes into a computer. The last computer I built was in early 2002. That's five (5) years I spent putting a little money away each month to save for a computer.

I read your argument about demos. I still think its wrong. Everyone can read reviews, or ask. If thats not accurate enough for you, you're pretty much out of luck. Theres a risk in buying anything, we all make impulse purchases we regret and we don't always try before we buy. Just cause you can pirate a game to try it out doesn't mean you should. I don't see how you can downplay pirating a game based on the lack of a demo, even if you're poor.

EDIT: are you conceding that is is wrong, but that it is a necessary evil?

Making an impulse purchase is not a smart idea, regardless of whether you think that everyone does it. The only impulse purchases I make are at the grocery store when I want to try something new I never buy an expensive piece of electronics ($50+ per game, $200+ per video card, etc.) without investigating everything first.

It's true that we don't always try before we buy. The only reason we don't try is because sometimes we can't. I can't try the video card in my computer before I buy it. I can't imagine a scenario in which ATI or nVidia could somehow let everyone demo their video cards.

Games, on the other hand, should all have demos released with them. They take barely any time to make once the product is finished, and it's an easy way to boost sales. It's inexcusable. Only shitty games won't benefit from releasing a demo.

Maybe if the producers of shitty games would get their heads out of their asses, they'd realize that the financial problems some game companies are facing are due to their production of shitty games! In most cases piracy is providing a minimal impact. Look at Stardock. Look at Bioware. Look at Rockstar. They all produce excellent games, and none of them are in financial trouble. They've all benefited from releasing demos (Although Rockstar less so, their Max Payne franchise definitely sold more due to good demos, but it's hard to make a demo for the GTA series so they didn't - go to a retailer and play it there, instead, as a suitable demo substitute)

You're probably right "Only shitty games won't benefit from releasing a demo". However, Im worried about the bigger issues over a company's right to have control over it's image (even if its a bad one) and it's right to decide exactly how they want to market a product.

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: StinkyMojo

Originally posted by: Special K
Maybe its time to get a usenet subscription

Where's the best place to get one?

Usenet is just a private tracker for BT. That's all he meant.

No I think he just misspelled uTorrent which is an excellent bitorrent program

uTorrent is now a DRM laden piece of crap though.

 

[newb111]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: StinkyMojo

Originally posted by: Special K
Maybe its time to get a usenet subscription

Where's the best place to get one?

Usenet is just a private tracker for BT. That's all he meant.

No I think he just misspelled uTorrent which is an excellent bitorrent program

uTorrent is now a DRM laden piece of crap though.

explain?

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: AdamK47
Pay for your PC games! It's not that hard to find everyting on Amazon or eBay are a reasonable price. I've gotten all of these legally that way. As you can imagine, I despise people who steal from the developers who made all these great games.

Uh, you DO realize that when you buy something off of ebay none of your money goes back to the developers right?

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: m0mentary

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: m0mentary

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Canai
Sorry, I'm not fucking rich like you.

:roll:

But you're rich enough for the computer in your signature?

Yes. When I manage to save up $1k, it goes into a computer. The last computer I built was in early 2002. That's five (5) years I spent putting a little money away each month to save for a computer.

I read your argument about demos. I still think its wrong. Everyone can read reviews, or ask. If thats not accurate enough for you, you're pretty much out of luck. Theres a risk in buying anything, we all make impulse purchases we regret and we don't always try before we buy. Just cause you can pirate a game to try it out doesn't mean you should. I don't see how you can downplay pirating a game based on the lack of a demo, even if you're poor.

EDIT: are you conceding that is is wrong, but that it is a necessary evil?

Making an impulse purchase is not a smart idea, regardless of whether you think that everyone does it. The only impulse purchases I make are at the grocery store when I want to try something new I never buy an expensive piece of electronics ($50+ per game, $200+ per video card, etc.) without investigating everything first.

It's true that we don't always try before we buy. The only reason we don't try is because sometimes we can't. I can't try the video card in my computer before I buy it. I can't imagine a scenario in which ATI or nVidia could somehow let everyone demo their video cards.

Games, on the other hand, should all have demos released with them. They take barely any time to make once the product is finished, and it's an easy way to boost sales. It's inexcusable. Only shitty games won't benefit from releasing a demo.

Maybe if the producers of shitty games would get their heads out of their asses, they'd realize that the financial problems some game companies are facing are due to their production of shitty games! In most cases piracy is providing a minimal impact. Look at Stardock. Look at Bioware. Look at Rockstar. They all produce excellent games, and none of them are in financial trouble. They've all benefited from releasing demos (Although Rockstar less so, their Max Payne franchise definitely sold more due to good demos, but it's hard to make a demo for the GTA series so they didn't - go to a retailer and play it there, instead, as a suitable demo substitute)

You're probably right "Only shitty games won't benefit from releasing a demo". However, Im worried about the bigger issues over a company's right to have control over it's image (even if its a bad one) and it's right to decide exactly how they want to market a product.

I would argue that a company is controlling its image by the very act of not releasing a demo - it's a good way to decrease the confidence of your customer base.

Not releasing a demo is a marketing mistake, pure and simple. Businesses are free to make marketing mistakes, but their shareholders might disagree. Demos are cheap to make and will bring flocks of gamers that wouldn't have tried your product otherwise. That's assuming your game doesn't suck, of course.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Kalvin00

Originally posted by: StinkyMojo

Originally posted by: Special K
Maybe its time to get a usenet subscription

Where's the best place to get one?

Usenet is just a private tracker for BT. That's all he meant.

No I think he just misspelled uTorrent which is an excellent bitorrent program

uTorrent is now a DRM laden piece of crap though.

deluge ftw!