Got an LCD...and my eyes hurt!!!

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Pakman117

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Thats too bad, my TV tuner looks superb on my 17" Samsung LCD, I think better than a standard TV. You might have to play around with your LCD a lot to get the settings you want. I found that if I used samsungs provided software and tried to adjust, I hated every adjustment I made. The only way I liked it was if I never touched the config settings, except of course changing the resolution to 1280x1024 and the refresh to 72Hz.
 

skriefal

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Originally posted by: Vertigo-1

CompUSA doesn't accept returns on opened box computers, monitors, etc etc. They only exchange for the exact same item, and only if it's defective. I have no choice but to try and sell it online...already put it up for sale in the FS forum for a huge loss.

Yikes. When did that change? They used to allow returns on monitors, with the usual 15% restocking fee. But now... monitors, PDAs, printers, home electronics, etc can't be returned at all unless defective. And I suppose 'home electronics' would apply to the home theater equipment that they've recently begun to carry. Guess I won't be buying any of that sort of stuff from CompUSA ever again.
 

InlineFive

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Originally posted by: ed21x
for some reason, my LCD monitor flickers less when you decrease the refresh rate from 75 to 72 =\ so you may want to try that if you're not running it at native resolution.

LCDs flicker the least at 60hz! That's the refresh rate stated by all the LCD manufacturers as "optimal."

-Por
 

Derango

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LCDs shouldn't flicker anyway, unless its defective. There's no technical reason why a LCD should flicker
 

Vertigo-1

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Originally posted by: Pakman117
Thats too bad, my TV tuner looks superb on my 17" Samsung LCD, I think better than a standard TV. You might have to play around with your LCD a lot to get the settings you want. I found that if I used samsungs provided software and tried to adjust, I hated every adjustment I made. The only way I liked it was if I never touched the config settings, except of course changing the resolution to 1280x1024 and the refresh to 72Hz.

What TV tuner are you using? I have the Hauppauge WinTV PCI card, the standard $50 one. It looks great on my CRT, and possibly sharper then the typical TV, but on the LCD everything shows up very grainy and looked rather pixelated out. I figured that was the problem of the non-native resolution changes. I *think* it looked sharp if I ran the screen at a tiny screen, but it looked horrible at full screen.

And what other adjustments are there to make, besides contrast and brightness? I've read a lot about how LCDs need a ton of adjustment but in the end I find all I'm adjusting is contrast and brightness. Is there something I'm missing here?

 

Pakman117

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I have a Compro Videomate TV Gold Plus tv tuner. I used it with my CRT and LCD, and I didn't notice higher quality viewing on the CRT, even though it was running at a lower resolution (1024x768). I like the LCD better in that its larger, so its like have a 19" TV. I can take some high res pics of it if you want, I'm not sure how well they'll come out.

The only tweaking I do with my LCD is autoadjust. I also turned on cleartype.

 

ed21x

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Originally posted by: PorBleemo
Originally posted by: ed21x
for some reason, my LCD monitor flickers less when you decrease the refresh rate from 75 to 72 =\ so you may want to try that if you're not running it at native resolution.

LCDs flicker the least at 60hz! That's the refresh rate stated by all the LCD manufacturers as "optimal."

-Por

that sounds so counter-intuitive, yet seems to be the truth. Can someone explain to me why this is?
 

InlineFive

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Originally posted by: ed21x
Originally posted by: PorBleemo
Originally posted by: ed21x
for some reason, my LCD monitor flickers less when you decrease the refresh rate from 75 to 72 =\ so you may want to try that if you're not running it at native resolution.

LCDs flicker the least at 60hz! That's the refresh rate stated by all the LCD manufacturers as "optimal."

-Por

that sounds so counter-intuitive, yet seems to be the truth. Can someone explain to me why this is?

Counter-intuitive coming from a CRT person yes. ;)

-Por
 

Looney

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Actually, i had a somewhat similar problem when i first got my 1800FP. It was just too bright to be used (where i was using it, in my bedroom with the lights off). But after a week, i finally got used to it. Now i can never go back to a CRT for text, even though i own a Sony GDM-FW900.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Actually, i had a somewhat similar problem when i first got my 1800FP. It was just too bright to be used (where i was using it, in my bedroom with the lights off). But after a week, i finally got used to it. Now i can never go back to a CRT for text, even though i own a Sony GDM-FW900.

Now that really means something, since the Sony FW900 is arguably one of the best monitors in the world. Retailed for nearly $2000...
 

Vertigo-1

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Well, this is strange. I decided to just take the LCD out of the box to give it one more try, and now the TV tuner looks just fine through it, if a tad dark sometimes. I also had some games that just plain crashed before when using the LCD, now those run just fine. So at least it works with all my software now. :confused:

My eyes still feel strained staring at it, but I might as well at least make an attempt to see if I can adjust to it. The software incompatibility before really bugged me, but with that problem fixed, I'll give the LCD one more chance.
 

drag

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The same thing happens to me on LCDs if I am not carefull.

What happens to me is that I read text as it's scrolling, I don't scroll, stop read, scroll some more. Especially when I am scanning thru text on a page looking for something.

I keep my mouse on the scroll bar and am moving up and down quickly.

So from moving stuff quickly the LCD smears things, my eyes still try to focus on it instinctively, but can't and after a half a hour to a hour of doing that I get eye strain.

So if you do the same thing then learn to use the page up and page down buttons, that's what I have to do on laptops.

Personally I don't understand why people freak out and want to have LCDs all the time. They are more expensive, smaller(screen size), colors aren't as good, they are restrictive in the angles you have to look at them or the color gets messed up even more or the get darker or loose contrast, and even nicest ones still blur a little bit with fast motion.

The only advatages are that they are slimmer, and give a sharper image (somewhat), and use less electricity.

Maybe having something cool is more important anything else, though.

Personally I'd rather have a high quality 20" monitor instead of a cheap 17" LCD.

If you can't adjust to the LCD to well, then get rid of it. Your eyes are more important then deskspace.

Wait till Oleds come out. :p
 

MangoTBG

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Originally posted by: Vertigo-1
Well, this is strange. I decided to just take the LCD out of the box to give it one more try, and now the TV tuner looks just fine through it, if a tad dark sometimes. I also had some games that just plain crashed before when using the LCD, now those run just fine. So at least it works with all my software now. :confused:

My eyes still feel strained staring at it, but I might as well at least make an attempt to see if I can adjust to it. The software incompatibility before really bugged me, but with that problem fixed, I'll give the LCD one more chance.

I'm sorry but I don't see how a monitor can crash your games.
 

MangoTBG

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Originally posted by: drag
The same thing happens to me on LCDs if I am not carefull.

What happens to me is that I read text as it's scrolling, I don't scroll, stop read, scroll some more. Especially when I am scanning thru text on a page looking for something.

I keep my mouse on the scroll bar and am moving up and down quickly.

So from moving stuff quickly the LCD smears things, my eyes still try to focus on it instinctively, but can't and after a half a hour to a hour of doing that I get eye strain.

So if you do the same thing then learn to use the page up and page down buttons, that's what I have to do on laptops.

Personally I don't understand why people freak out and want to have LCDs all the time. They are more expensive, smaller(screen size), colors aren't as good, they are restrictive in the angles you have to look at them or the color gets messed up even more or the get darker or loose contrast, and even nicest ones still blur a little bit with fast motion.

The only advatages are that they are slimmer, and give a sharper image (somewhat), and use less electricity.

Maybe having something cool is more important anything else, though.

Personally I'd rather have a high quality 20" monitor instead of a cheap 17" LCD.

If you can't adjust to the LCD to well, then get rid of it. Your eyes are more important then deskspace.

Wait till Oleds come out. :p


Think about those advantages. "The only ones" LCDs have, as you said. What do people mainly use the monitor for? Reading? Yeah. And there's no doubt that an LCD is the better medium for that. Slimmer isn't that big of a deal for you, it seems. For me, a college student, it's absolutely vital. My 19" CRT sits in my closet because I don't have the deskspace for it. I had to pull the desk a good 6"s away from the wall in order to have enough room for my keyboard and mouse. So that takes away from my overall available space in the room. Heck yeah it's cooler, you said it. My CRT made a noticable difference in temperature vs. this LCD.

I love my LCD, I wouldn't have it any other way. And the thing is, the general response is the same for LCD users.
 

try messing around with the placement of your desklamp if you have one
i dont really know why, but lighting conditions definetly effect my experience with lcds more than with crts