Got an appendectomy done a couple of weeks back. Just got the bill.

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shadow9d9

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And I bet you think what the Democrats just rammed down America's throat is reform, huh?

Are we playing the drinking game, for when you parrot the "ramming down our throats" talking point?

Yes, they "rammed" it in, by working the last 100 years to get reform and being shut down twice before.. then spending a year on the current one and adopting a TON of republican amendments... then I guess they did...

As for the reform.. no pre-existing conditions, no lifetime limits, 85% of insurance has to go towards covering people, allowing people to stay on their parents' insurance longer.. want me to go on?
 

bruceb

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I know what the OP was trying to get across. But, sometimes, you need to do what you need to do, and if that means you spend some cash, so be it. Especially for your health and dental work. Both of which most people consider extremely important.
 

shadow9d9

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I wouldn't. Profit margins on hospitals are razor thin.

That is what they claim about insurance companies too. Doesn't stop them from raking in 2.5 billion in profits a QUARTER. And that is AFTER insane CEO salaries and fancy accounting.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally Posted by jhu

Profit margins on hospitals are razor thin.


That is what they claim about insurance companies too.

Doesn't stop them from raking in 2.5 billion in profits a QUARTER.

And that is AFTER insane CEO salaries and fancy accounting.

and the Republicans claiming ObamaCare is going to bankrupt the insurance companies, hospitals and doctors.

I just have to laugh
 

BoberFett

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Are we playing the drinking game, for when you parrot the "ramming down our throats" talking point?

Yes, they "rammed" it in, by working the last 100 years to get reform and being shut down twice before.. then spending a year on the current one and adopting a TON of republican amendments... then I guess they did...

As for the reform.. no pre-existing conditions, no lifetime limits, 85% of insurance has to go towards covering people, allowing people to stay on their parents' insurance longer.. want me to go on?

None of which has brought down the cost of care in the US. Can you be a bigger failure? Based on the last couple of times I've had the displeasure of reading your tripe, I'd have thought that impossible. You seem intent on proving me wrong.
 

BoberFett

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That is what they claim about insurance companies too. Doesn't stop them from raking in 2.5 billion in profits a QUARTER. And that is AFTER insane CEO salaries and fancy accounting.

There you go again, piling failure on top of failure. Health insurance has very low margins compared to almost every other industry.
 

erikistired

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$46,907.65 for the one night. Plus $4500 in CT-scans and lab report.
No wonder healthcare is so fucked up. Wonder how a guy getting paid $10/hour can afford this crap.
My share after the insurance coverage is $596.70 for the surgery/room for the night and $449 for the CT-scan/report.

that's probably how much they billed the insurance company, who doubtfully paid anywhere near that.
 

jhu

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That is what they claim about insurance companies too. Doesn't stop them from raking in 2.5 billion in profits a QUARTER. And that is AFTER insane CEO salaries and fancy accounting.

I'm not one to defend health care insurance companies, but you need to at least get your facts straight. For example, United Health care, the largest such insurer in the nation, had profits of $3.8 billion last year on revenues of $87 billion. That's a whopping 3.7% profit margin.
 

cherrytwist

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Back when I didn't have insurance (valve replacement in '99), I had about $6k remaining after Medicare, but the Sisters of Mercy at the hospital paid the balance.

I've been in ICU four times as an adult, surgery twice (aortic valve replacement, appendectomy) and admitted for impatient treatment once. My insurance covered everything save for the ambulance rides (2) of which they payed a large percentage (85% if I recall). Overall, I've received $200k+ in health care, mostly covered by my insurance. So your situation is not that shocking.

Of course, due to rising health insurance costs, our company implemented 5% increase every 5 years, maxed out at 25%, which is what I am now paying. Previously, they payed 100% of the policy.
 
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shadow9d9

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None of which has brought down the cost of care in the US. Can you be a bigger failure? Based on the last couple of times I've had the displeasure of reading your tripe, I'd have thought that impossible. You seem intent on proving me wrong.

Wow. Just ... wow...

If "ramming down our throats" means 100 years of failure, then a year of debate, and adding in bipartisan amendments galore, then I guess we have different definitions. Funny how you dodged that and went with just the pomposity approach!
 

shadow9d9

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I'm not one to defend health care insurance companies, but you need to at least get your facts straight. For example, United Health care, the largest such insurer in the nation, had profits of $3.8 billion last year on revenues of $87 billion. That's a whopping 3.7% profit margin.

Few things.

1. "Profits" are only excess money after paying everyone in the company, included insane CEO salaries, and every other expenditure, when combined with fancy accounting to reduce what is called "profit."

2. Your numbers prove that despite all of this and insane pays, an excess of $3.8 billion was withheld from actually paying for peoples' coverage. Denying care, BS "preexisting conditions" clauses, and outright illegally dropping people of care is quite common. Hard for people to fight for it once they are dead though.

3.
"In the midst of a deep economic recession, America's health insurance companies increased their profits by 56 percent in 2009, a year that saw 2.7 million people lose their private coverage. "

"Even so, insurance companies have also offloaded their most expensive patients by cancelling their policies and raising premiums drastically, Kirsch asserted in a Thursday press call.

Among the report's findings on specific insurance companies:

Wellpoint increased profits 91 percent from 2008 while it chopped 3.9 percent of its total enrollment.

United Health's profit increased 28 percent from 2008, while enrollment dropped by 3.4 percent.

Cigna's profit increased 346 percent and enrollment dropped 5.5 percent.

Humana's profit increased by 61 percent while enrollment decreased by 1.7 percent.

Aetna was the only company with a drop in profit and a gain in enrollment. The company's profit declined by 8 percent from 2008, and enrollment grew by 7 percent. "

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/HealthCare/health-insurers-post-record-profits/story?id=9818699



4. How do you make more profit while covering less people? Easy.

""They confuse their customers and dump the sick — all so they can satisfy their Wall Street investors," said Wendell Potter, who retired as CIGNA's vice president of corporate communications last year. He spent nearly 15 years at the company and four years at Humana."

"Potter, for instance, recalled a trip on a corporate jet from Philadelphia, where CIGNA is headquartered, to Connecticut, where the company's health insurance business is based in Bloomfield. During the flight, he was served lunch on gold-rimmed china with a gold-plated knife and fork.

"I realized for the first time that someone's insurance premiums were paying for me to travel in such luxury," he said on his blog."

"He condemned insurers' efforts to get rid of unprofitable customers, sell policies that can mislead consumers and offer very limited coverage, and pay out as small a portion of premiums as possible for claims in order to boost profits and please Wall Street."

"Potter described in written testimony how insurers use "purging" — unrealistic rate increases — to drive off less profitable employers. Citing a USA Today report, he recalled how CIGNA boosted rates in 2006 for the Entertainment Industry Group Insurance Trust so much that for some family plans, premiums would have topped $44,000 a year."

"CIGNA, responding to Potter's testimony, said Wednesday, "Although we respect that there are different opinions on the solutions, we strongly disagree with the suggestion that, motivated by profits, the insurance industry has deliberately attempted to confuse or unfairly treat covered individuals.""

http://www.courant.com/business/hc-cigna-potter.artjun25,0,4107201.story
 

shadow9d9

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There you go again, piling failure on top of failure. Health insurance has very low margins compared to almost every other industry.

There you go again, cherry picking, ignoring the rest, and using your own pomposity as proof of something. It is proof of something, but not what you think.
 

shadow9d9

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More importantly than any of that, btw, is the fact that when profit controls health care, the american people absolutely cannot win unless they are in the top .0001% of wealthy.
 

venkman

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It doesnt cost 50K, It cost you $1000. The insurance co probably has agreement with the hospital to pay it $5k for the bill.

While it works out well and good for the op (and it would be similar for me), the guy pulling down $10 an hour that works 40 hour weeks without benefits would be charged $50k, maybe even more. Why couldn't HE pay $5K for not having insurance? "Group Discounts" are usually in the order of 5-20%, not 90%.


Instead they take the little guys house and scare the rest of us into buying overpriced insurance instead of just saving up a rainy day fund for medical expenses.
 
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