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Got a ticket.

Eli

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No, I don't want to know how to fight it. Yes, I'm going to pay it.

Now that's out of the way, I'm actually genuinely curious as to the purpose of this law.

Some background:

I was meeting a friend in Boise, ID to trade a bunch of Insight parts(batteries, of course). About 3 hours away from my destination, the interstate was closed due to truck carrying hazardous material wrecking. A couple of people I talked to said it could be up to 8 hours before it was open again, so I got in touch with my friend and we just decided to cancel.

About 2 hours later, he calls me and says the highway has been re-opened. Kinda sucks, but we're still relatively close to eachother in the scheme of things.

After driving for about 8 hours, I had about 1/8 a tank left(~100-160mi range), but I was heading back up into the Blue Mountains and had to pee. I had driven 10-15mi when I decided to stop and get gas in the tiny little town of Arlington, OR. By this time I was somewhat frustrated and in a rush so I could get home at a decent time.

When I pulled back onto the highway, I accidently got onto the interstate going the wrong way(gotta love unfamiliar areas). Fuck this, I said - I'm not going to drive 10-15 miles back to the same exit I had used to turn around previous, wasting a good 20 minutes.

So I pulled over, waited until the coast was relatively clear(I would estimate a good 2mi of visbility in both directions, I was on a little hill), and pulled a U-turn across the highway median(gravel). I did note there were a group of oncoming cars approximately a mile away. There was a sign saying "Authorized use only" at this particular break in the grassy highway divider. There was a break about half a mile or so back that had no sign, but I missed it.

As I get up to cruising speed, I note the faint flicker of red and blue lights coming from a SUV in my rear view mirror. FML.

Officer was very nice, obviously a veteran. He even admitted to not liking to write tickets like this, but "he saw me do it". Yeah, just my luck - out in BFE, and there happens to be a cop in the next group of cars. 😉 $260 ticket. He said "Sorry" as he handed it to me.

So, can someone tell me what the purpose of an ordinance surrounding "Driving on a highway divider" is? ORS 811.430

I can't imagine it's much of a revenue generator, so there must be a legitimate reason.

If it's just simply because the maneuver is dangerous, I wish these things weren't so black and white. It was clear, sunny, and I had literally miles of visibility in both directions. While it certainly could be dangerous if you're a complete moron, it definitely was not in my case. What is the "Authorized use" that these gravel areas are so importantly reserved for? To give the police a place to sit and catch people speeding? Maybe that's it.

Common sense needs to be brought back to law enforcement. I see this in the same view as "No Tolerance" policies; we all know how well those work.
 
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I have seen cars take out cars doing this. You are going from a dead stop into traffic doing 70-80 MPH depending on the area. Its just not safe.

Worst I saw was an old lady who clipped the rear bumper of a car while she tried to do this. The car she hit fishtailed, caught the shoulder and did some serious cartwheels.
 
cant you do driving school? that's cheaper. Some states have the 90 day probation option, you can pay the ticket in full and go for probation, if you do not get any tickets for 90 days this ticket does not go on your driving record.
 
I think mainly because its dangerous as shit.

While you used due caution before swinging the U-Turn, there are probably millions who would just casually whip out into 60-70MPH traffic like they were pulling out of their driveway.
 
I think mainly because its dangerous as shit.

While you used due caution before swinging the U-Turn, there are probably millions who would just casually whip out into 60-70MPH traffic like they were pulling out of their driveway.

right

They have to write the laws for the lowest common denominator.
 
Cops don't like to give out tickets, but they have quotas.
Giving tickets to obvious law breakers is easier for them.
 
I guess it just must be because it's dangerous. Let me guess, once upon a time, someone got creamed and died, so they knee jerked the law into place? 😛

Shrug, it's not a big deal. Just made me curious. Just kinda wish the officer would have given me a break - he knew as much as I did how silly it was, but it sounded like a "the law is the law" type of thing from his point of view.
 
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I think mainly because its dangerous as shit.

While you used due caution before swinging the U-Turn, there are probably millions who would just casually whip out into 60-70MPH traffic like they were pulling out of their driveway.

^^^It's pretty unsafe. The purpose of a controlled access highway is to control access. If people do what they want, it removes a lot of benefit.

Pro tip... Carry some blueprints in the car showing highway construction. Pull into a service crossover, pull out the plans for a second, then put them down, and safely take off. If you get pulled over, you were doing it for job purposes ;^)
 
It's because it dangerous as hell and people are stupid as fuck. They don't go well together.
<--- 22+ years working the highways
 
You'd think in an area as remote as what I am imagining you were at, that it wouldn't be that dangerous as it would be in more populated areas.
 
You'd think in an area as remote as what I am imagining you were at, that it wouldn't be that dangerous as it would be in more populated areas.

Pretty much this; it just wasn't dangerous in my particular case. But I can certainly see how it could be dangerous.

Maybe we should forget bringing common sense back to law enforcement and bring it back to the people instead. 🙄
 
Just bad luck. I have never uturned on a highway but I would in the scenario you outline. Even after reading the thread.
 
Pretty much this; it just wasn't dangerous in my particular case. But I can certainly see how it could be dangerous.

Maybe we should forget bringing common sense back to law enforcement and bring it back to the people instead. 🙄




... one of the few adults here who accept the blame and don't point the finger at someone else.

You should be commended.
 
If it's just simply because the maneuver is dangerous, I wish these things weren't so black and white. It was clear, sunny, and I had literally miles of visibility in both directions. While it certainly could be dangerous if you're a complete moron, it definitely was not in my case. What is the "Authorized use" that these gravel areas are so importantly reserved for? To give the police a place to sit and catch people speeding? Maybe that's it.

Common sense needs to be brought back to law enforcement. I see this in the same view as "No Tolerance" policies; we all know how well those work.

No, common sense needs to be brought into driving and a person who can't get on the road going the right direction has no right to claim that he's immune to the law because he's not a "complete moron".

Left turn on red is safe if you're not a complete moron. Driving on a sidewalk is safe as long as nobody is walking on it at the time. Coming to a complete stop in the passing lane of I-95 is fine as long as there isn't a car within a mile of you, so why would it be illegal? Yeah, let's make all laws optional and leave it entirely up to the discretion of the complete moron as to whether he feels that it's okay for him to break them under the present circumstances.

You're a complete moron and you got the complete moron ticket. The dividers are taboo because drivers on highways expect traffic to enter FROM THE RIGHT and idiots who get lost and decide to merge onto the road from the left can really fuck things up.
 
No, common sense needs to be brought into driving and a person who can't get on the road going the right direction has no right to claim that he's immune to the law because he's not a "complete moron".

Left turn on red is safe if you're not a complete moron. Driving on a sidewalk is safe as long as nobody is walking on it at the time. Coming to a complete stop in the passing lane of I-95 is fine as long as there isn't a car within a mile of you, so why would it be illegal? Yeah, let's make all laws optional and leave it entirely up to the discretion of the complete moron as to whether he feels that it's okay for him to break them under the present circumstances.

You're a complete moron and you got the complete moron ticket. The dividers are taboo because drivers on highways expect traffic to enter FROM THE RIGHT and idiots who get lost and decide to merge onto the road from the left can really fuck things up.

Best argument I've heard yet.

Most of your examples are poor. I didn't do anything nearly as stupid or dangerous as turning left on a red light, driving on the sidewalk, or stopping in the middle of the highway(I pulled over to the shoulder). I made sure it was safe by having great visibility of both directions of travel. I'm not saying I didn't do anything wrong, I was just looking for some thought on why exactly the law is in place. I seriously doubt you'd have people pulling U-turns left and right without such a law in place.

And seriously, you can't tell me you've never taken a wrong turn in an area you've never been in before? By the time I realized I had gone the wrong way, I couldn't turn around - as in a split second.

So I decided to make an illegal U-turn on a clear, sunny day in the middle of the wide open yonder.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=inte...d=P6T_RDE5br3HL1iyYq7xag&cbp=12,67.78,,0,0.22

That's not where I turned around, but it's close. I'll keep looking. They all look the same. Clearly, I should be crucified for such an outrageous maneuver. License stripped, even. :colbert:
 
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The law generally makes sense, it's a good law for obvious reasons, but as with virtually all laws it doesn't ALWAYS make sense.
 
In cases like this, I always think if you get a ticket you are lucky... but performing something like that and a car coming out of the blue or speeding up and hit you from behind is much more dangerous. I am sure OP is a great driver, but the Cop who saw you doing wasn't sure if you were good driver or drunk so he treated you equally like everyone else to pull you over...

I used to do crazy stuff like running red lights, driving over divider lanes on highways and busting illegal U-Turns, but now those points are off my driving record and I like paying $50 a month for full coverage insurance as opposed to $400 a month like I did in the past...
 
I guess those are only for emergency vehicles but to me they should have legal ones you can use on divided highways. I never drove on one of those before but I imagine it can be quite frustrating if you miss an exit and need to do all sorts of maneuvers just to get back to where you were.

Then there's rush hour traffic, I don't know how anyone even changes lane in that. Glad I don't have to deal with that stuff. When I need to go to Toronto area where they have these highways I just take the bus or train. Too bad they got rid of the ONTC though. 🙁 There's always greyhound I guess. Just have to hope the person next to me is not too hungry. 😛
 
No, common sense needs to be brought into driving and a person who can't get on the road going the right direction has no right to claim that he's immune to the law because he's not a "complete moron".

Left turn on red is safe if you're not a complete moron. Driving on a sidewalk is safe as long as nobody is walking on it at the time. Coming to a complete stop in the passing lane of I-95 is fine as long as there isn't a car within a mile of you, so why would it be illegal? Yeah, let's make all laws optional and leave it entirely up to the discretion of the complete moron as to whether he feels that it's okay for him to break them under the present circumstances.

You're a complete moron and you got the complete moron ticket. The dividers are taboo because drivers on highways expect traffic to enter FROM THE RIGHT and idiots who get lost and decide to merge onto the road from the left can really fuck things up.

Did someone fuck your wife?
 
I learned one thing recently when I went to court to fight a bogus parking ticket (head-in parking only on an obscure sign). Always go to court because their first line of defense is someone negotiating lower payouts... like a plea bargain. Without saying a word, my ticket was cut in half. Before it was my turn I sat there and watched one person after another get plea'd down in fines... so long as you tell them you'll take their offer and plea guilty and don't make them go to trial, you've saved yourself some money and/or points. It may be a couple hours out of your day, but it's worth it.

Of course if you have to go far away for the court then it wouldn't be, but here you can plea not guilty by mail and they send you a reduced fine to pay.
 
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Pretty much this; it just wasn't dangerous in my particular case. But I can certainly see how it could be dangerous.

Maybe we should forget bringing common sense back to law enforcement and bring it back to the people instead. 🙄
Never going to happen. Too many stupid people in the world. We have gotten to the point (long ago) where laws have to be passed for the stupid people, the lowest common denominator.
Like the people who dry their cat in the microwave. Or the people who heat up gasoline on their stove because their car is cold.

We are way past the point of common sense. Or personal responsibility.
 
Procedure exists to minimize boners. A couple of reasonable examples come to mind: 1) During London Underground maintenance, the driver who transports technicians relinquishes the train keys to them to prevent any possibility whatsoever of running them over. 2) Hospitals which have adopted a simple surgery checklist nearly halved death rates -so essentially, surgeons had figgered they knew best and were above procedure but were dead wrong (goggle Gawande Manifesto).

Furthermore, should we have to trust everyone's judgement is as good the OP's whom, as said, went the wrong way? The law/signage presumably prevents most but would the OP really want the average moran who's "feeling lucky" to be pulling out in front of them?
 
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