Got a ticket today (Ran a red light)

[bunnyfubbles]

Kill all witnesses and destroy all evidence, then you won't have any points or fines to pay.

 

[XZeroII]

*sigh*
So this is what we, Humans, have become. We clearly know we aren't supposed to do something, we do it anyway and get caught, and now we want to know how to get out of accepting the consequences.

If I were an alien observing all this, I would pack up my bags and report that Earth is ready for destruction. Nothing worth saving.


Seriously, I would just go to court, say just what you told us (that you had a momentary lapse in judgement) and just take whatever they dish out. Is it so hard to just accept punishment when you do something wrong?

 

[imported_Baloo]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
...Don't do anything wrong and you can't get a ticket!

Who doesn't wish that were true?

 

[LS21]

i hope they throw your ass in PMITAP so you wouldnt post here anymore

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
*sigh*
So this is what we, Humans, have become. We clearly know we aren't supposed to do something, we do it anyway and get caught, and now we want to know how to get out of accepting the consequences.

If I were an alien observing all this, I would pack up my bags and report that Earth is ready for destruction. Nothing worth saving.


Seriously, I would just go to court, say just what you told us (that you had a momentary lapse in judgement) and just take whatever they dish out. Is it so hard to just accept punishment when you do something wrong?

Best post of the thread/ :beer:
(not just the bolded part, all of it)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ICRS

Hoping the judge sees it as a simple mistake and lets me go without any punishment.

Not in this lifetime.

Tickets are strictly for money generating revenue.

You may be able to get the points reduced so your insurance doesn't get hammered as bad but expect to pay even more than the $396 to be able to save an insurance hike.

Expect this "simple mistake" to cost you at least $500

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ICRS

Hoping the judge sees it as a simple mistake and lets me go without any punishment.

Not in this lifetime.

Tickets are strictly for money generating revenue.

You may be able to get the points reduced so your insurance doesn't get hammered as bad but expect to pay even more than the $396 to be able to save an insurance hike.

Expect this "simple mistake" to cost you at least $500

I don't entirely agree. If there were no financial impact for disregarding motor vehicle laws, I have a feeling we'd see a lot more people running lights, failing yield, etc, resulting in more accidents. Not saying that they don't generate revenue, but I wouldn't say that's the entire purpose.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ICRS

Originally posted by: destrekor
You screwed up.
There was likely a sign saying "No turn on red... except curb lane".

+

There was no sign, but in California it is illegal turn against a red arrow. Some reason I was confused and suffered a lapse in judgement and turned.

okay, so why do you want to fight it? Sure, you probably can get it reduced, but the reason for the ticket is because you had a lapse in judgment. That lapse of judgment could have resulted in someone dying at the most extreme. Nothing happened, sure... but the point remains, you screwed up, and their happened to be an officer that witnessed it.
Nothing against you, but sometimes people have to accept the fact that they screwed up, and nobody else should take blame but themselves.
I've had one ticket and been given warnings for speeding on two other occasions. Well, given a warning for apparently running a red, turned red right before I got into the intersection (was attempting to run the yellow). These were all my fault. Sure, I continue to speed too on occasion, and accept any fault that would result from doing so.

+

Last time I suggested someone take responsibility for their actions, I was railed. Maybe the forums are growing up as I see no one has attacked you. But I doubt it.

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: JLee

I don't entirely agree. If there were no financial impact for disregarding motor vehicle laws, I have a feeling we'd see a lot more people running lights, failing yield, etc, resulting in more accidents. Not saying that they don't generate revenue, but I wouldn't say that's the entire purpose.

That's what the point-system is for.

I don't drink and drive. Aside from the reason that I don't want to die or kill somebody, I'm more concerned about losing driving privileges than having to pay a fine...

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: ICRS
Wonder if I can plead ignorance of the law. Claim I didn't know you aren't allowed to turn against the red arrow.

based on your posts, this might actually work

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: JLee

I don't entirely agree. If there were no financial impact for disregarding motor vehicle laws, I have a feeling we'd see a lot more people running lights, failing yield, etc, resulting in more accidents. Not saying that they don't generate revenue, but I wouldn't say that's the entire purpose.

That's what the point-system is for.

I don't drink and drive. Aside from the reason that I don't want to die or kill somebody, I'm more concerned about losing driving privileges than having to pay a fine...

Then how do you suppose the money would be replaced, then- with a tax on everyone, rather than just on bad drivers?

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: BoomerD
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdb...u17.htm#traffic_lights

I think roundabouts are an excellent idea. I don't recall ever seeing one in the u.s. though. Not sure how well they would work here. They require some amount of patience and courtesy from all involved...

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OP: didn't you offer a big enough tip to the policeman? Maybe the judge will be nice if tipped well...

My city started building roundabouts here several years ago. I hate them. Not that the roundabout is itself a bad idea, in fact, they COULD be a great thing for many intersections, but too many people here get...confused by them and get totally stupid when they encounter one.
"D'oh! What do I do now? Fuck it, I'm more important than all these other people who are already in the roundabout...GET OUTTA MY WAY!"


OP, yes, traffic school should be an option for this infraction, and would keep the points off your license and off your insurance. One thing to consider however, is that based on some of your responses in this thread,

Originally posted by: ICRS
Something funny, the other week I became confused and accidenty turned the wrong direction onto a one way street, drove a block before I realized ot my horror what I was doing.

You may want to save the traffic school option for a more serious infraction. Kahleeforneeya law allows the traffic school option once every 18 months. Are you sure you want to waste it on something relatively minor, when apparently you drive like an old Asian woman?

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: BoomerD
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdb...u17.htm#traffic_lights

I think roundabouts are an excellent idea. I don't recall ever seeing one in the u.s. though. Not sure how well they would work here. They require some amount of patience and courtesy from all involved...

---

OP: didn't you offer a big enough tip to the policeman? Maybe the judge will be nice if tipped well...

My city started building roundabouts here several years ago. I hate them. Not that the roundabout is itself a bad idea, in fact, they COULD be a great thing for many intersections, but too many people here get...confused by them and get totally stupid when they encounter one.
"D'oh! What do I do now? Fuck it, I'm more important than all these other people who are already in the roundabout...GET OUTTA MY WAY!"


OP, yes, traffic school should be an option for this infraction, and would keep the points off your license and off your insurance. One thing to consider however, is that based on some of your responses in this thread,

Originally posted by: ICRS
Something funny, the other week I became confused and accidenty turned the wrong direction onto a one way street, drove a block before I realized ot my horror what I was doing.

You may want to save the traffic school option for a more serious infraction. Kahleeforneeya law allows the traffic school option once every 18 months. Are you sure you want to waste it on something relatively minor, when apparently you drive like an old Asian woman?

We have two roundabouts- I love them..though one is just past a school, and parents tend to take the roundabout and use it to turn around, thereby making it a royal PITA to get through if you're coming from the other direction.

 

[abaez]

what offramp was this?

 

[ICRS]

Originally posted by: abaez
what offramp was this?

Truxel at I-80

Diagram was a bit off, there was actually 3 right turn lanes not two. The right most is a yield only, and the other two have red arrows.

 

[BoomerD]

Holy crap...you're in Sacramento? That's way too close to suit me...

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Holy crap...you're in Sacramento? That's way too close to suit me...

Agreed.
<--- Grass Valley

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: ICRS
Wonder if I can plead ignorance of the law. Claim I didn't know you aren't allowed to turn against the red arrow.

Ignorantia juris non excusat

 

[Phoenix86]

First reply should have been "wrong forum".

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: ICRS
Wonder if I can plead ignorance of the law. Claim I didn't know you aren't allowed to turn against the red arrow.

Do it. I want to see how a judge would react if you tell him that you didn't know you couldn't make a right on a red arrow pointing to the right.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: EGGO

Originally posted by: ICRS
Wonder if I can plead ignorance of the law. Claim I didn't know you aren't allowed to turn against the red arrow.

Do it. I want to see how a judge would react if you tell him that you didn't know you couldn't make a right on a red arrow pointing to the right.

Oddly enough, it is legal in some states.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: EGGO

Originally posted by: ICRS
Wonder if I can plead ignorance of the law. Claim I didn't know you aren't allowed to turn against the red arrow.

Do it. I want to see how a judge would react if you tell him that you didn't know you couldn't make a right on a red arrow pointing to the right.

Oddly enough, it is legal in some states.

Really it is? Well then I'll shut up.

 

[BoomerD]

http://www.johncletheroe.org/usa_can/driving/right.htm

"There is some question as to whether you can turn right (after stopping and making sure the way is clear) when presented with a traffic light showing a red rightward pointing arrow. It would appear from some unofficial comments that I have seen in the rec.travel.usa-canada news group that this is legal in some states but not in others. For example, I have seen comments indicating that it is legal in Florida but prohibited in California. "

"Right turns on red arrows are permitted in Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, Washington State and Wyoming.

They are not permitted in Alaska, California, Colorado, the District Of Columbia, Georgia, Idaho, Maine, Minnesota, New York State or Puerto Rico.

Other US state laws make no mention of the subject. Nor is there any mention of the subject in the laws of any of the Canadian provinces and territories.
If in doubt as to whether a right turn on a red light or red arrow is permitted or not, then you can observe the actions of the vehicle in front. If you are the leading vehicle then you will usually be informed rapidly by the driver of the vehicle behind should you fail to turn where such a manoeuvre is legal. "


Apparently, this may indeed be legal in some states. I've always thought it was illegal to do so in every state.
Learn something new every day...

 

[summit]

let me guess you were on the 110 exit off adams?

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Summit
let me guess you were on the 110 exit off adams?

Failboat, try agin