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Got a question for the liberals/anti-bushists

Centinel

Senior member
First, this is not a flame....believe me or not but I genuinely am curious.

I know many of you do not like Bush, are liberal, are from blue states, etc. Now, my question is how many of you are involved to make the changes you feel are needed in this country?

If you are, what are you doing? How are you participating?

This is not the libertarian in me asking this.....this is the political scientist. I see part of the problem with the democratic party is alot of verbal committments, but no follow through. Hence the huge "vote or die" and such campaigns targeted at youth voters, but still the same amount of youth turnout.

Is this beginning to change? Did this election cause you to become more politically active?
 
I will probably never be politically active because I simply do not have the time. On the other than, the second best thing I can do is vote on the state level and get things I want from there. (CA- Stem Cell Research)
 
Originally posted by: Centinel
First, this is not a flame....believe me or not but I genuinely am curious.

I know many of you do not like Bush, are liberal, are from blue states, etc. Now, my question is how many of you are involved to make the changes you feel are needed in this country?

If you are, what are you doing? How are you participating?

This is not the libertarian in me asking this.....this is the political scientist. I see part of the problem with the democratic party is alot of verbal committments, but no follow through. Hence the huge "vote or die" and such campaigns targeted at youth voters, but still the same amount of youth turnout.

Is this beginning to change? Did this election cause you to become more politically active?

First, I could be seen as a conservative by some in that I: Am married w/children, was a stay at home mom for years, and in general model prudent behavior in all aspects of my life. No 'alternative' lifestyle for me.

But I don't like Bush.

Why? And what am I doing to make the changes needed in this country?

Well, I put my money where my mouth is. I support recycling in every way I can, and my husband and I both drive vehicles that get excellent gas mileage. We will drive and maintain these cars until they fall apart, even though we could afford to do otherwise.

There is a building boom out here... lots of sensitive woodlands/wetlands being raped so brand new houses can be built, but we are against the rampant, thoughtless development that is going on. We believe in using our resources wisely and bought an older house, which we have been repairing and updating for the past few years.

We are appalled by the way food is mass produced... before there was Mad Cow (which hasn't been stopped by any means) there was just plain old animal cruelty in the name of cheap burgers and nuggets. We eat a mostly vegetarian diet, and the meat we eat is almost entirely chicken and eggs that are cruelty-free.

We are teaching our children to be open minded and tolerant of others while still being able to think about their own best interests. We think being open minded and tolerant IS in our best interests.

I work as a special education teacher. I don't really have to work... we've lived within our means, but I see this as a way to: A) get ahead so we can retire sooner to the country (where I will raise my chickens!) and B) it's a form of giving back to the community (nobody wants to do what I do, and the pay is pretty bad in my state). The majority of teachers are not very happy with NCLB... it's written by a bunch of laymen and mostly benefits companies who make tests.

My husband was a Republican for all of his life until a little over a year ago. He finally started to see that our society is pretty much an out-of-control state of capitalism, with very little actually effort being made to improve things. Everyone wants their tax cut and sale at (insert name of favorite store here).

I don't see myself suddenly becoming some kind of crusader, and I don't think there is anything wrong with making my statement through my choices in life. I suppose when my children are grown I could 'do more' so to speak, but for now there are still science projects to do and dentist appointments to make. We are a family that is trying to live what we believe, and I make no apologies.
 

I...

vote
donate money
correspond with my senators and representatives



i see the poor youth turnout as more a function of age and maturity rather than political. i would guess voter turnout to be same for republicans 18-2x as democrats 18-2x, but i have no actual data to support that.

i would also guess elderly voters to have the same high percentage of turnout for both republicans & democrats, although i'm curious if that's true as well.

i think republicans won the election by doing one genius thing: they reached the masses with fear. Fear of terrorism. Fear of homosexuals. The democrats tried to reach the masses through intellectual concerns: the larger political ramifications of invading a sovereign nation, the murky information regarding WMDs, stem cell research. Fear always beats intellect. Always has, always will.




 
well, i pretty much do the same stuff ive been doing:
give what little money i can, do work at local churches and soup kitchens, vote and write to anyone who will (maybe) read.
i havnt been working for very long (about 2 years out of college) but i do have a lot of time to donate to my beliefs.
 
Originally posted by: Centinel
While I disagree with your last paragraph tangent, thank you for the response.

Same with you Isla.

I'm curious (genuinely curious) why you disagree and how you see the election, in retrospect.

 
Originally posted by: Centinel
Did this election cause you to become more politically active?

i do now what i've always done - vote, write letters to the editor (not that it does any good where i live),
and lobby my Republican-leaning relatives.
 
i convince people to do the exact opposite of everything mentioned above and instead to embrace the impending apocalypse
 
Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
i convince people to do the exact opposite of everything mentioned above and instead to embrace the impending apocalypse


LOL that's certainly a unique approach.
 
Originally posted by: Centinel
First, this is not a flame....believe me or not but I genuinely am curious.

I know many of you do not like Bush, are liberal, are from blue states, etc. Now, my question is how many of you are involved to make the changes you feel are needed in this country?

If you are, what are you doing? How are you participating?

This is not the libertarian in me asking this.....this is the political scientist. I see part of the problem with the democratic party is alot of verbal committments, but no follow through. Hence the huge "vote or die" and such campaigns targeted at youth voters, but still the same amount of youth turnout.

Is this beginning to change? Did this election cause you to become more politically active?

Um both parties are statists who will ever expand the scope and power of the federal government, In 5 years even the republican will push for health care just like thier percription drug plan and socialist stuff like that. Best thing to do is harrass both sides while you're bord if you're a liberatarian because you have no chance in stopping the lavathan. Tell me has any governemnt ever really shrunk w/o collapse/revoluion?

What do I do? I support individual freedom orgs who provide legal representation to those caught in jaws of oppresive police state in which we live. ACLU/NRA/CCR etc.
 
A juxtaposition of the NRA with the ACLU?

Now that's something you dont see everyday!

...but I agree totally Zebo.
 
Originally posted by: Centinel
First, this is not a flame....believe me or not but I genuinely am curious.

I know many of you do not like Bush, are liberal, are from blue states, etc. Now, my question is how many of you are involved to make the changes you feel are needed in this country?

If you are, what are you doing? How are you participating?

This is not the libertarian in me asking this.....this is the political scientist. I see part of the problem with the democratic party is alot of verbal committments, but no follow through. Hence the huge "vote or die" and such campaigns targeted at youth voters, but still the same amount of youth turnout.

Is this beginning to change? Did this election cause you to become more politically active?

I have been attending Democrat Meetings.

Was involved at events like below (See Park Ave DJ's in the links list )

http://gopunconvention.com

Was going to go for Georgia State Representative or Senator, forget which just as the Divorce thing hit.

Looking into going for a State position in new home here in New Orleans for 2006.

I'm sure there will be more too.

Edit: Also like I said if Bush was Democrat I would've been lobbying for Republican then this last cycle.
Also now that the Republicans have grabbed a hold of this RRR Agenda I will continue to push Democrat.
 
1 - Do my best to show people that Bush is the worst president in the world and that Kerry is crappy but he's better than the alternative
2- Vote
3- See # 1

🙂
 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: Zebo
RRR?
it is a dmcowen674/ BOBDN thing....

RRR = Religious Right.... Rsomething

ReligousRightRepugs?

Is that those who were with the Moral Majority when they wanted to ban WASP concerts?

Me, well, i am neither, i am European, a Finnish Jew from Germany, i am a liberal anti bush republican conservative atheist believer.

Or not.
 
The question was what do you do to further your ideals Klixxer...even though you arent from the US, I still would be interested to know how politically active you are.
 
I'm 21, and an undergrad in electrical engineering, so I've got a lot on my plate at the moment. I know it's not much, but I put in my .02 by reading the papers, listening to NPR, voting Kerry, and participating in a few threads here at Anandtech. I do think it's important for people to be more politically active/aware, it seems like a lot of people are in a fog as to what is going on in the world.

By your question, it seems to me that you may have the question or assumption that "liberals" or "democrats" hypocritically came out with all these objections/accusations only around election time. And of course they all crawl back under their rocks afterwards, without any thought of practicing these ideas. Yes, you bring up a good point - it is easier to be critical and skeptical than to go about actively trying to change the world. And yes, many liberals are just caught up in the "fad" of being anti.

However, I think your question can be directed at the Republicans and conservatives as well. In fact it can be directed at Christians too - how can we, who live comfortable lives, do so in good conscience, with the knowledge that every day there are people who are starving and dying. People who live in the most awful conditions. How can we call ourselves Christians, and spend money on a new car or computer when there are those who can't even scrounge enough to eat?

The answer is that we are all imperfect, it's a given. That however, doesn't mean we can't "legitimately" be religious, or that we can't voice our political opinions. The important thing is that we try to make the difference, even though we'll never be able to do "everything in our power" to bring about change.
 
Now dont get me wrong....what I want most, having my educational background, is as many people politically active and voting as possible, regardless of who you vote for.

Granted, I wish some voters on both sides would think a bit more about issues and not respond with knee-jerk reactions to mainstream media soundbites crafted for just that reaction, but such is life.

I just hate to see people get all riled up for the wrong reasons, or get all riled up and then do nothing with the opportunties given to them to express their political beliefs and choices.
 
Well I thought the whole fiasco in Iraq was more than enough to get people riled up, and it's a good reason to get riled up. Or the fact that our country is ridiculously in debt. Apparently not. I guess this only happens when a couple skyscrapers are destroyed and a few thousand people die, and then for a few months they're all gung ho about killin teh RaghEads!!
 
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