Got a job offer

[CPA]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: bigrash

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: FoBoT
will you get an annual bonus?

Yes.

do they pay your bonus in dollars or debuts?

Dollars.

that sucks

yeah, the company CPA works for gives him 300 debuts EVERY year PLUS some cash
now that is a fine company

I'll be rolling in those debuts on March 9th, baby

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: bigrash

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: FoBoT
will you get an annual bonus?

Yes.

do they pay your bonus in dollars or debuts?

Dollars.

that sucks

yeah, the company CPA works for gives him 300 debuts EVERY year PLUS some cash
now that is a fine company

I'll be rolling in those debuts on March 9th, baby

ROTFLMAO

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: ThePresenceA large part of the job is delagation, and making sure everything is done on schedule.
The actual creative work that I would do is less than I do now.

Sounds like most management positions.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I formally got offered the job as an art director in a media group/ad agency.
The money is very nice.
But I am terrified of the job.
I never had that much responsibility.
I never had so many people working under me.
I think I may be too afraid of it to take it.
I do have some time to consider it.
Help!

Our art director makes over six figures...he does maybe 10 hours of "work" a week.

A large part of the job is delagation, and making sure everything is done on schedule.
The actual creative work that I would do is less than I do now.

Hence, the 10 hours of "work."

Sounds like a no brainer/no lose situation.

It's not.
I like doing creative work. I enjoy it.
I don't know how good I'd be at delegating to others.
I don't know how good I'd be at hiring/firing people.
Also, this means returining to the pressurized deadline-based work enviroment which I left.

Have you ever worked for a media/ad agency? It's a freaking circle jerk. There's no pressure. If you are good at doing the gruntwork (i.e. real work), you shouldn't worry too much about deadlines.

As for delegation, it's not that hard to set up meetings in Outlook and forward a bunch of emails to your peons. You will still spend 90% of your 9-5 on ATOT.

Ahaha!
You sound bitter...

Ad agencies are a big racket...

 

[angminas]

Sounds to me like you want the money but not the job. I would not be in a hurry to leave a position you enjoy for one with more stress that you are not sure you want. It depends on whether it's really your preferences or a confidence issue. If you don't have enough confidence, taking this position will probably either build you up or tear you down, and a lot of it will depend on your attitude.

Most people who have a creative job they enjoy are miserable doing paperwork-management-numbers-coordinating-delegating stuff. They want to do the work themselves. Nothing wrong with that. Having a hands-on job doesn't mean you're not good enough. Be sure to discuss it with people who know you best.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: pontifex
unless you're rolling in job offers, take what you can get that sounds decent.

i can't find sh!t, but thats probably because my education and skills are sh!t too.

Well, I wasn't looking for a job.
I am pretty happy doing what I do now.
This just fell into my lap and I figured it can't hurt to check it out.

damn, must be nice

 

[lozina]

Take it man, the sooner you take a job like this the sooner you will get comfortable in such a position. I know it's easy to say, I would be just as terrified to take on such a high responsibility job. But looking on as a neutral 3rd party it looks like the golden opportunity

 

[illusion88]

Do what makes you happy. If you are good at what you do, the money will follow. Can you return to the position you are leaving if the new one doesn't work out? If the risk is minimal, I would say go for it. If it doesn't fit, then kindly resign and go back to your old job.

Do what you love and ****** the rest of it.

 

[iversonyin]

Give me the job if you don't want it.

 

[Chunkee]

it is called moving up....enjoy it...remember to be good to your grunts...never ever forget that....they make you look good...get their loyalty...

jC

 

[A Casual Fitz]

At least try it out. You can always fail. But you may not...

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: illusion88
Do what makes you happy. If you are good at what you do, the money will follow. Can you return to the position you are leaving if the new one doesn't work out? If the risk is minimal, I would say go for it. If it doesn't fit, then kindly resign and go back to your old job.

Do what you love and ****** the rest of it.

There is no way I can return to what I do now.
Now I freelance, but about 75% of my work is for one company that sends me all their graphics work.
If I lose my clients it will be a real PITA to build it back up.

 

[ThePresence]

UPDATE: I spoke to some people who have dealt with this company.
Although nobody would come straight out and say "don't take it", it seems that they all have a bad taste left their mouths from the experience.
It seems, and this is just what I can deduce from the conversations, that they felt they weren't dealt with honestly.
Obviously I don't know any details yet, but this may make my decision alot easier.

 

[Phokus]

What the hell is a 'debut'?

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
UPDATE: I spoke to some people who have dealt with this company.
Although nobody would come straight out and say "don't take it", it seems that they all have a bad taste left their mouths from the experience.
It seems, and this is just what I can deduce from the conversations, that they felt they weren't dealt with honestly.
Obviously I don't know any details yet, but this may make my decision alot easier.

Are they hinting that they think that you're not qualified for the position?

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Ameesh
take it, stretch yourself, when moving jobs i always try to get into a stretch position. it helps your career grow and gets you more money and responsibility.

What do you mean, stretch?

i mean get out of your comfort zone. you are happy and fine with your current job, this could be a big step up for you, give it a go, whats the worst that could happen.

 

[LS20]

fyi, delegation is not relegation; theyre different words

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: ThePresence
UPDATE: I spoke to some people who have dealt with this company.
Although nobody would come straight out and say "don't take it", it seems that they all have a bad taste left their mouths from the experience.
It seems, and this is just what I can deduce from the conversations, that they felt they weren't dealt with honestly.
Obviously I don't know any details yet, but this may make my decision alot easier.

Are they hinting that they think that you're not qualified for the position?

Not at all.
They're hinting that this company's reputation is not that great.

 

[habib89]

they wouldn't have hired you if they didn't think you were qualified.. don't doubt your skills and abilities...

maybe this company's reputation is bad because they didn't have a very good art director... unless you have a comparable offer, i say take it.. do what you can while you're there.. if you find that they're not a good company to you or their clients, quit.. you don't have to use them as a reference

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: habib89
they wouldn't have hired you if they didn't think you were qualified.. don't doubt your skills and abilities...

maybe this company's reputation is bad because they didn't have a very good art director... unless you have a comparable offer, i say take it.. do what you can while you're there.. if you find that they're not a good company to you or their clients, quit.. you don't have to use them as a reference

Yeah, I agree with this. This position is ripe for the plucking. If you take the job and turn the place around, you'll be the toast of the industry whereas if you run it into the ground you can always say it was broken before you arrived.

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: Phokus
What the hell is a 'debut'?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: habib89
they wouldn't have hired you if they didn't think you were qualified.. don't doubt your skills and abilities...

maybe this company's reputation is bad because they didn't have a very good art director... unless you have a comparable offer, i say take it.. do what you can while you're there.. if you find that they're not a good company to you or their clients, quit.. you don't have to use them as a reference

Yeah, I agree with this. This position is ripe for the plucking. If you take the job and turn the place around, you'll be the toast of the industry whereas if you run it into the ground you can always say it was broken before you arrived.

No, that never works.
Nobody wants to hear that.
If you felt it was broken you should have had the foresight not to take the job. If you didn't realize it was broken, your judgement is lacking. Nobody wants to hear someone whining about how it's not your fault.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: Phokus
What the hell is a 'debut'?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Phokus
What the hell is a 'debut'?

I have no idea.
He asked if the bonus is in dollars or debuts. Since I have no idea what debuts are and I know that I'm being paid dollars, I went with dollars. It's the correct choice and certainly safer than looking like an idiot.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: pontifex
unless you're rolling in job offers, take what you can get that sounds decent.

i can't find sh!t, but thats probably because my education and skills are sh!t too.

Well you certainly find enough time to post on ATOT all day long.