Got a Cold Air kit for the car today and a Programmer....

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
"Dynos" are like synthetic benchmarks. They are for newbcheese tuners. IMO.

Well aren't you a master of all trades.

You mean this isnt an Intel vs. AMD thread?

I'm using a Thermaltake SLK as an FMIC on my Volvo. :ninja;

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My 100% stock 2005 GTO will still kick your Mustang's ass...

And? Do I look like I care? I didn't buy my car to outrun GTO's

Its the rice I wanna outrun LOL! . Muscle, is Muscle, is Muscle. I like it all

You're welcome to take on my Volvo. Last trapped 107, still working on a better tuning solution.

And there's no way in the world that any sort of intake kit adds 30 wheel horse power. I'd guess that an intake, with nice dual exhaust and a custom (read: on the dyno) tune would net you between 30 and 35rwhp.

The only way in the world that would be is if the intake was designed to be super restrictive....which I doubt the stock mustang airbox is.

The ironic thing to me, is that the "heat shield" that supposedly blocks the engine bay heat from the filter, also blocks the filter - seems like it would lower flow, and I doubt the slightly reduced temp from the heat shield would make up for it.

Call it what you want, its still an SRI. SRI's are known to take from down low and put it up top. If you havent dynoed it, any increase in performance is mostly psychological from the much louder sound. Either way, I'm sure it sounds sweet, but any real gains you got are more likely from the tuning, not the SRI.

You obiviously don't know how air flows into the engine bay on these mustangs then. It flows in from the bottom right below the filter. There is a hole in the body where the air flows up. But what does it matter, ATOT always knows more than anyone.

Obviously I dont, I never professed to be an expert on every car ever made. Seems like an odd place to get air - most cars Ive seen get it from the front or the fenderwell. Either way, blocking half of the filter is going to block potential intake flow. It may still be an overall net gain given the colder air, but I doubt its anywhere near 30hp.

If you don't know about the car then don't comment on it...... You can't mount an air intake system in the fenders of the new mustangs, simply no room, and the fender is closed off so no air would flow in there.

Half of the filter is not blocked from air, the cooler outside air is coming into the engine bay where the cover is not at..... giving the cold air to the filter/intake before it goes into the hot engine bay.

Prove to me that all the individuals that use this product are not getting the dyno proven ~25hp, and that all the magazines that have reviewed this and similar setups for the 05/06 gt are lying. If not then STFU.

Josh

 

[jcovercash]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Bandwith limit exceeded. :laugh:

Dynos are a good baseline, and tell you where your car is at performance wise.

You don't get it. You need a baseline dyno, from your car, with no modifications. That way you can document via dyno how much power you gain from each change. A dyno before mods are done is what we call a baseline dyno.

Otherwise, dyno numbers are useless as a means of comparison. As evidenced by my puny 530hp lightning beating 900hp Supras.

I didn't have a dyno availible today, and wanted this stuff installed. It takes 20-25 mins to go back to stock and I plan on doing it when I get a chance to hit the dyno. To see my actual gain.

I never said I got a 30 HP increase. I said people have reported. From all the independent testing and stuff, I will belive this untill I am proved wrong, should I be, by my dyno runs.

Josh

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My 100% stock 2005 GTO will still kick your Mustang's ass...

And? Do I look like I care? I didn't buy my car to outrun GTO's

Its the rice I wanna outrun LOL! . Muscle, is Muscle, is Muscle. I like it all

You're welcome to take on my Volvo. Last trapped 107, still working on a better tuning solution.

And there's no way in the world that any sort of intake kit adds 30 wheel horse power. I'd guess that an intake, with nice dual exhaust and a custom (read: on the dyno) tune would net you between 30 and 35rwhp.

The only way in the world that would be is if the intake was designed to be super restrictive....which I doubt the stock mustang airbox is.

The ironic thing to me, is that the "heat shield" that supposedly blocks the engine bay heat from the filter, also blocks the filter - seems like it would lower flow, and I doubt the slightly reduced temp from the heat shield would make up for it.

Call it what you want, its still an SRI. SRI's are known to take from down low and put it up top. If you havent dynoed it, any increase in performance is mostly psychological from the much louder sound. Either way, I'm sure it sounds sweet, but any real gains you got are more likely from the tuning, not the SRI.

You obiviously don't know how air flows into the engine bay on these mustangs then. It flows in from the bottom right below the filter. There is a hole in the body where the air flows up. But what does it matter, ATOT always knows more than anyone.

Obviously I dont, I never professed to be an expert on every car ever made. Seems like an odd place to get air - most cars Ive seen get it from the front or the fenderwell. Either way, blocking half of the filter is going to block potential intake flow. It may still be an overall net gain given the colder air, but I doubt its anywhere near 30hp.

If you don't know about the car then don't comment on it...... You can't mount an air intake system in the fenders of the new mustangs, simply no room, and the fender is closed off so no air would flow in there.

Half of the filter is not blocked from air, the cooler outside air is coming into the engine bay where the cover is not at..... giving the cold air to the filter/intake before it goes into the hot engine bay.

Prove to me that all the individuals that use this product are not getting the dyno proven ~25hp, and that all the magazines that have reviewed this and similar setups for the 05/06 gt are lying. If not then STFU.

Josh

Ill comment on whatever TF I please. Don't post here bragging about something unless you expect others to comment on it.

I don't have to prove a damn thing to you...you havent proven anything yourself, all you've got is your butt-dyno and your ears telling you that your car is faster, when in reality most intakes give a negligible boost unless the factory intake is extra restrictive, and the boost it does give isnt unilateral. I've never believed a manufacturers claims, and I never will.

How about you show US your dyno proving you got 30hp out of it? If not, then STFU.

 

[I Saw OJ]

I couldnt view the picutres, but cool anyway.

I picked up a JLT CAI, bassani X pipe and catback for my cobra. I have the predator tuner coming in the mail and they say to expect over 430hp to the wheels with just those 4 things, i'm stoked.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
"Dynos" are like synthetic benchmarks. They are for newbcheese tuners. IMO.

Well aren't you a master of all trades.

You mean this isnt an Intel vs. AMD thread?

I'm using a Thermaltake SLK as an FMIC on my Volvo. :ninja;

Thermaltake doesn't even have an SLK series.

 

[RGN]

I don't have an CAI comments, but GTO FTW!!! There will be no Pony or snake in my garage.

 

[Twista]

i just got a k&n air filter in my stang. It picked up with pulling in the higer rpm range =) I dunno what a CAI would do for my GT, but i might change it out next summer.

 

[VirginiaDonkey]

nice choice on the SCT tuner!
everything I have read about it says it is outstanding.

Can't view the pics of the intake, but as long as its not the "hot air intake" that sucks the under hood air, you will pick up a decent amount of HP. Hell, back in the old 5.0 days, just removing the silencer was good for 5 HP

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: AdamSnow

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
that's not cold air, it's just a short ram air intake.

i'm willing to bet that actually robs performance

WTF do you know, alot of people are reporting +30 RWHP with his Cold Air kit and tune.

Clearly you are suffering from what I like to call Ricer Math. There is NO way that you can get 30rwhp from an air intake, unless that air intake is actually an intercooler which has a super/turbocharger attached too it...

You should have got a before+after dyno... or better yet, you shouldn't... cause you would be VERY disappointed in the money you spent if you were looking for 30rwhp.

You drive a friggin Neon. Not a V8 Car. So what would you know about real horsepower???

The 30HP is not just from the intake, its from a combination of the intake/tune.

Josh

so is your car a V8? or the V6 your confusing me. you said4.6 V6 before

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Bandwith limit exceeded. :laugh:

Dynos are a good baseline, and tell you where your car is at performance wise.

You don't get it. You need a baseline dyno, from your car, with no modifications. That way you can document via dyno how much power you gain from each change. A dyno before mods are done is what we call a baseline dyno.

Otherwise, dyno numbers are useless as a means of comparison. As evidenced by my puny 530hp lightning beating 900hp Supras.

I didn't have a dyno availible today, and wanted this stuff installed. It takes 20-25 mins to go back to stock and I plan on doing it when I get a chance to hit the dyno. To see my actual gain.

I never said I got a 30 HP increase. I said people have reported. From all the independent testing and stuff, I will belive this untill I am proved wrong, should I be, by my dyno runs.

Josh

I doubt anyone on ATOT is enough of a jerk to keep bumping this thread to make sure you post dyno results. Be thankful this forum has a short attention span :thumbsup:

Your pics are dead but the way you describe the intake, it sounds like an underhood, short-ram intake. Not very much unlike K&N's underhood, short-ram intake, which they claim nets a max gain of 9 HP--not to be confused with a gain of max HP of 9HP. I wonder what special materials or physics the scientists in the DeMolet lab used to get such a bigger gain.

Have you ever considered that your gains may be mostly due to the tune?

At any rate, congrats on the car...go blue oval!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Be thankful this forum has a short attention span.

What were we talking about?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: RGN
I don't have an CAI comments, but GTO FTW!!! There will be no Pony or snake in my garage.

:thumbsup:

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
"Dynos" are like synthetic benchmarks. They do not indicate real world performance. They are for newbcheese tuners. IMO.

I really hope you're kidding, since that's an incredibly stupid thing to say.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
"Dynos" are like synthetic benchmarks. They do not indicate real world performance. They are for newbcheese tuners. IMO.

I really hope you're kidding, since that's an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Hey, according to Howard, Im the master of all trades. So I know what Im talking about.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
"Dynos" are like synthetic benchmarks. They do not indicate real world performance. They are for newbcheese tuners. IMO.

I really hope you're kidding, since that's an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Hey, according to Howard, Im the master of all trades. So I know what Im talking about.

How about master of none?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Be thankful this forum has a short attention span.

What were we talking about?

Huh?

 

[RGUN]

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: RGUN
I doubt you'll see a peak gain of 30hp for the upgrades. I recently had the pleasure of seeing all these mods and an exhaust go onto a new mustang GT and I think the result of everything was like +20hp peak.

Ok, if you say so. The right intake/tune/Full exhaust. Longtube headers, offroad h/x pipe/muffs will add more than 20hp on a 3v motor.

Where did I mention headers? Im not making numbers up, this is the actual result. So many people (Im not grouping you in with these people) think, ohh CAI +5, exhaust +10, tune +10 headers +5 ohh damn thats +30hp... so my 270 is now 300... whereas in reality those increases in peak dont all occur at the same rpm and you would more likely end up with maybe a +15 gain. Now those number I pulled out my ass but you get my point I hope.

 

[Antisocial Virge]

You guys also have to look where the gain is happening. The gain of 20+ HP is at 5300 rpm. Is that gonna really make a diff to most anybody? Its only like 7 hp at 3000 rpm where its gonna get the most use.
Its 10 HP at 4000 rmp and only 5 hp over the stock pipe with the tune.

 

[Eli]

:laugh:

I'm sure the 5HP you got from the K&N filter is really putting a strain on your Butt Dyno.

 

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[Apex]

Originally posted by: Eli
:laugh:

I'm sure the 5HP you got from the K&N filter is really putting a strain on your Butt Dyno.

Only if you regularly calibrate said dyno.

 

[Viperoni]

Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
You guys also have to look where the gain is happening. The gain of 20+ HP is at 5300 rpm. Is that gonna really make a diff to most anybody? Its only like 7 hp at 3000 rpm where its gonna get the most use.
Its 10 HP at 4000 rmp and only 5 hp over the stock pipe with the tune.

The point is that not only is the gain there, but in a very valuable place for racing purposes.

 

[dak125]

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: AdamSnow

Originally posted by: jcovercash

Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
that's not cold air, it's just a short ram air intake.

i'm willing to bet that actually robs performance

WTF do you know, alot of people are reporting +30 RWHP with his Cold Air kit and tune.

Clearly you are suffering from what I like to call Ricer Math. There is NO way that you can get 30rwhp from an air intake, unless that air intake is actually an intercooler which has a super/turbocharger attached too it...

You should have got a before+after dyno... or better yet, you shouldn't... cause you would be VERY disappointed in the money you spent if you were looking for 30rwhp.

You drive a friggin Neon. Not a V8 Car. So what would you know about real horsepower???

Wow, I just don't know how to respond to such a stupid statement.