As strange as it sounds, there are many times a short air intake does better than a cold air. While short induction length doesn't uniformly make better power, it often yields surprising gains. I've played with a bunch of K20A's that have gained more from a short intake (cone basically attached without pipe) than with a cold air. This is with a controlled environment (30 min cooldown between runs, ECU cleared and relearned, shop temp identical, calibrated dyno), with hood down and large front fan.
Again, it's not something you'll find with all powerplants, but it definitely does happen. Bizarre stuff. Simple logic doesn't always tell the whole story, sometimes, it's just a matter of doing/testing/doing/testing/doing/testing some more.
I doubt you'll see a peak gain of 30hp for the upgrades. I recently had the pleasure of seeing all these mods and an exhaust go onto a new mustang GT and I think the result of everything was like +20hp peak.
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Gotta love those country roads in a fast car!
Mind if I post a pic of mine?
Rogo
Sure post away.
BTW to all the doubters I have no seen any hard evidence that proves this false, so please stop with your pathetic attempts to beat this down. These are real, possible gains.
I posted to reviews of several systems making this kinda power, and the links also include dyno listings of the gains.
Josh
Ok, if you say so. The right intake/tune/Full exhaust. Longtube headers, offroad h/x pipe/muffs will add more than 20hp on a 3v motor.
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My 100% stock 2005 GTO will still kick your Mustang's ass...
And? Do I look like I care? I didn't buy my car to outrun GTO's
Its the rice I wanna outrun LOL!
. Muscle, is Muscle, is Muscle. I like it all 
Nebor
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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My 100% stock 2005 GTO will still kick your Mustang's ass...
And? Do I look like I care? I didn't buy my car to outrun GTO's
Its the rice I wanna outrun LOL!
You're welcome to take on my Volvo. Last trapped 107, still working on a better tuning solution.
And there's no way in the world that any sort of intake kit adds 30 wheel horse power. I'd guess that an intake, with nice dual exhaust and a custom (read: on the dyno) tune would net you between 30 and 35rwhp.
Toastedlightly
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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My 100% stock 2005 GTO will still kick your Mustang's ass...
And? Do I look like I care? I didn't buy my car to outrun GTO's
Its the rice I wanna outrun LOL!
You're welcome to take on my Volvo. Last trapped 107, still working on a better tuning solution.
And there's no way in the world that any sort of intake kit adds 30 wheel horse power. I'd guess that an intake, with nice dual exhaust and a custom (read: on the dyno) tune would net you between 30 and 35rwhp.
The only way in the world that would be is if the intake was designed to be super restrictive....which I doubt the stock mustang airbox is.
The ironic thing to me, is that the "heat shield" that supposedly blocks the engine bay heat from the filter, also blocks the filter - seems like it would lower flow, and I doubt the slightly reduced temp from the heat shield would make up for it.
Call it what you want, its still an SRI. SRI's are known to take from down low and put it up top. If you havent dynoed it, any increase in performance is mostly psychological from the much louder sound. Either way, I'm sure it sounds sweet, but any real gains you got are more likely from the tuning, not the SRI.
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My 100% stock 2005 GTO will still kick your Mustang's ass...
And? Do I look like I care? I didn't buy my car to outrun GTO's
Its the rice I wanna outrun LOL!
You're welcome to take on my Volvo. Last trapped 107, still working on a better tuning solution.
And there's no way in the world that any sort of intake kit adds 30 wheel horse power. I'd guess that an intake, with nice dual exhaust and a custom (read: on the dyno) tune would net you between 30 and 35rwhp.
The only way in the world that would be is if the intake was designed to be super restrictive....which I doubt the stock mustang airbox is.
The ironic thing to me, is that the "heat shield" that supposedly blocks the engine bay heat from the filter, also blocks the filter - seems like it would lower flow, and I doubt the slightly reduced temp from the heat shield would make up for it.
Call it what you want, its still an SRI. SRI's are known to take from down low and put it up top. If you havent dynoed it, any increase in performance is mostly psychological from the much louder sound. Either way, I'm sure it sounds sweet, but any real gains you got are more likely from the tuning, not the SRI.
You obiviously don't know how air flows into the engine bay on these mustangs then. It flows in from the bottom right below the filter. There is a hole in the body where the air flows up. But what does it matter, ATOT always knows more than anyone.
I will just shut up until I see the dyno. Im definitely interested in what numbers you get. I would definitely bank on 1-3% being the result, but who knows. Made my mark to see how close I get (3-9whp)
(3-9whp)Originally posted by: dxkj
I will just shut up until I see the dyno. Im definitely interested in what numbers you get. I would definitely bank on 1-3% being the result, but who knows. Made my mark to see how close I get
Alright, ill happily prove you wrong
. Just gonna be a weekend or two before the dyno is setup . Hopefully the same weekend ill have my headers/h-pipe/mufflers so I can get results from those too as I install them.Josh
Pics don't work, but the whole point of a CAI is to allow the engine to draw air at ambient temperature. If it doesn't, it's not. Period.
FelixDeCat
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"Dynos" are like synthetic benchmarks. They do not indicate real world performance. They are for newbcheese tuners. IMO.
FelixDeCat
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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My 100% stock 2005 GTO will still kick your Mustang's ass...
And? Do I look like I care? I didn't buy my car to outrun GTO's
Its the rice I wanna outrun LOL!
You're welcome to take on my Volvo. Last trapped 107, still working on a better tuning solution.
And there's no way in the world that any sort of intake kit adds 30 wheel horse power. I'd guess that an intake, with nice dual exhaust and a custom (read: on the dyno) tune would net you between 30 and 35rwhp.
The only way in the world that would be is if the intake was designed to be super restrictive....which I doubt the stock mustang airbox is.
The ironic thing to me, is that the "heat shield" that supposedly blocks the engine bay heat from the filter, also blocks the filter - seems like it would lower flow, and I doubt the slightly reduced temp from the heat shield would make up for it.
Call it what you want, its still an SRI. SRI's are known to take from down low and put it up top. If you havent dynoed it, any increase in performance is mostly psychological from the much louder sound. Either way, I'm sure it sounds sweet, but any real gains you got are more likely from the tuning, not the SRI.
You obiviously don't know how air flows into the engine bay on these mustangs then. It flows in from the bottom right below the filter. There is a hole in the body where the air flows up. But what does it matter, ATOT always knows more than anyone.
Obviously I dont, I never professed to be an expert on every car ever made. Seems like an odd place to get air - most cars Ive seen get it from the front or the fenderwell. Either way, blocking half of the filter is going to block potential intake flow. It may still be an overall net gain given the colder air, but I doubt its anywhere near 30hp.
Nebor
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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: dxkj
I will just shut up until I see the dyno. Im definitely interested in what numbers you get. I would definitely bank on 1-3% being the result, but who knows. Made my mark to see how close I get
Alright, ill happily prove you wrong
Josh
You already have a baseline dyno? Otherwise your dyno is pretty much meaningless.
Yea its because of the high resolution pictures of my honda and four wheeler I have for sale on ebay. 40mb worth of pics @ 4000 pages views can hurt some bandwitdh (Thats just the honda.), Thats not counting the boat/jetski that I have already sold this month.
Dynos are a good baseline, and tell you where your car is at performance wise.
Nebor
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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My 100% stock 2005 GTO will still kick your Mustang's ass...
And? Do I look like I care? I didn't buy my car to outrun GTO's
Its the rice I wanna outrun LOL!
You're welcome to take on my Volvo. Last trapped 107, still working on a better tuning solution.
And there's no way in the world that any sort of intake kit adds 30 wheel horse power. I'd guess that an intake, with nice dual exhaust and a custom (read: on the dyno) tune would net you between 30 and 35rwhp.
The only way in the world that would be is if the intake was designed to be super restrictive....which I doubt the stock mustang airbox is.
The ironic thing to me, is that the "heat shield" that supposedly blocks the engine bay heat from the filter, also blocks the filter - seems like it would lower flow, and I doubt the slightly reduced temp from the heat shield would make up for it.
Call it what you want, its still an SRI. SRI's are known to take from down low and put it up top. If you havent dynoed it, any increase in performance is mostly psychological from the much louder sound. Either way, I'm sure it sounds sweet, but any real gains you got are more likely from the tuning, not the SRI.
You obiviously don't know how air flows into the engine bay on these mustangs then. It flows in from the bottom right below the filter. There is a hole in the body where the air flows up. But what does it matter, ATOT always knows more than anyone.
You obviously don't know much about engines in general. When you open up an intake like that, you're going to give up some low end torque in exchange for some high end power. It's the same idea behind the variable length intake manifolds you'll find in Yamaha motors (the Volvo V8, the Ford SHO V6) and the Ferrari Enzo V12.
FelixDeCat
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Nebor
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You don't get it. You need a baseline dyno, from your car, with no modifications. That way you can document via dyno how much power you gain from each change. A dyno before mods are done is what we call a baseline dyno.
Otherwise, dyno numbers are useless as a means of comparison. As evidenced by my puny 530hp lightning beating 900hp Supras.
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