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jcovercash

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Originally posted by: JMWarren
Originally posted by: Slacker
CAI kits are really just high flow intakes, and the power gained is mostly due to the increased airflow and leaner air fuel mix resulting from it.

A high flow intake and a chip/tune is certainly capable of a 20+ hp gain.

Espically considering all the air-intake silencers that are present on todays cars.


Yea the Pre-Cats really hurt performance...... Stupid emissions crap! :p
 

halik

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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Tunable Induction

John DeMolet's kit did exceptionally well in our '03 Cobra cold-air shootout, so we had to have this talented designer back for the '05 comparison. As such, John rushed to get a prototype together for our evaluation. It featured a CNC-machined-plastic, 95mm mass air with a tight fit to the throttle-body tube, a big Green Filter, carbon-fiber accents, and good hardware throughout. He also stressed his systems utilize ABS plastic, which, according to John, is far superior to PVC piping in terms of durability and shape maintenance. This is the type of solid piece John is known for.

The Tunable Induction cold-air had good power numbers, and our judged scored it high for Durability and Ease of Installation. Our prototype came without the production shield and with a closed-end filter--two points of concern for our judges. The filter in the production piece will feature an open end pointed at the factory inlet hole, and it comes in a number of colors. After all the kits had been tested, our test car owner had the pick of the lot, and he chose the Tunable Induction cold-air for his car!

By the Numbers

Tunable Induction Cold-Air
Price: $185 (carbon-fiber or factory color tubing and shield)/ $465 with DiabloSport-tuned Predator and shield (not tested)
Peak Horsepower: 285.4 (24.4hp gain)
Peak Torque: 301.9 lb-ft (19.9-lb-ft gain)

Subjective Evaluation

Ease of Installation: 41
Value: 43
Appearance: 35
Overall Quality: 37
Expected Durability: 39
Total: 195

The two points of concern from the judges has since been fixed in the production model......

From this link..... A very reliable publication.

The prototype model showed a 25 RWHP gain..... Hmmmmmm Say what now? Also the tune is now made especially for this CAI and gets a little more power out of it, since it was made for its specific airflow.

umm aren't those generation cobras blown? Because there's virtually no way you can get more than 10hp gain on an N/A car. That being said though, I never had a big V8 car, so the gain could be bigger, because they flow a lot more CFM than my turbo 4bangers :)
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Tunable Induction

John DeMolet's kit did exceptionally well in our '03 Cobra cold-air shootout, so we had to have this talented designer back for the '05 comparison. As such, John rushed to get a prototype together for our evaluation. It featured a CNC-machined-plastic, 95mm mass air with a tight fit to the throttle-body tube, a big Green Filter, carbon-fiber accents, and good hardware throughout. He also stressed his systems utilize ABS plastic, which, according to John, is far superior to PVC piping in terms of durability and shape maintenance. This is the type of solid piece John is known for.

The Tunable Induction cold-air had good power numbers, and our judged scored it high for Durability and Ease of Installation. Our prototype came without the production shield and with a closed-end filter--two points of concern for our judges. The filter in the production piece will feature an open end pointed at the factory inlet hole, and it comes in a number of colors. After all the kits had been tested, our test car owner had the pick of the lot, and he chose the Tunable Induction cold-air for his car!

By the Numbers

Tunable Induction Cold-Air
Price: $185 (carbon-fiber or factory color tubing and shield)/ $465 with DiabloSport-tuned Predator and shield (not tested)
Peak Horsepower: 285.4 (24.4hp gain)
Peak Torque: 301.9 lb-ft (19.9-lb-ft gain)

Subjective Evaluation

Ease of Installation: 41
Value: 43
Appearance: 35
Overall Quality: 37
Expected Durability: 39
Total: 195

The two points of concern from the judges has since been fixed in the production model......

From this link..... A very reliable publication.

The prototype model showed a 25 RWHP gain..... Hmmmmmm Say what now? Also the tune is now made especially for this CAI and gets a little more power out of it, since it was made for its specific airflow.

umm aren't those generation cobras blown? Because there's virtually no way you can get more than 10hp gain on an N/A car



No its for the 05/06 3V 4.6L They are just saying they liked DeMolets work so much on the 03 cobra that they brought him back to work on the 05/06 CAI.

Read the article I linked to and you will see the tests are for the 05/06



Josh
 

halik

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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Tunable Induction

John DeMolet's kit did exceptionally well in our '03 Cobra cold-air shootout, so we had to have this talented designer back for the '05 comparison. As such, John rushed to get a prototype together for our evaluation. It featured a CNC-machined-plastic, 95mm mass air with a tight fit to the throttle-body tube, a big Green Filter, carbon-fiber accents, and good hardware throughout. He also stressed his systems utilize ABS plastic, which, according to John, is far superior to PVC piping in terms of durability and shape maintenance. This is the type of solid piece John is known for.

The Tunable Induction cold-air had good power numbers, and our judged scored it high for Durability and Ease of Installation. Our prototype came without the production shield and with a closed-end filter--two points of concern for our judges. The filter in the production piece will feature an open end pointed at the factory inlet hole, and it comes in a number of colors. After all the kits had been tested, our test car owner had the pick of the lot, and he chose the Tunable Induction cold-air for his car!

By the Numbers

Tunable Induction Cold-Air
Price: $185 (carbon-fiber or factory color tubing and shield)/ $465 with DiabloSport-tuned Predator and shield (not tested)
Peak Horsepower: 285.4 (24.4hp gain)
Peak Torque: 301.9 lb-ft (19.9-lb-ft gain)

Subjective Evaluation

Ease of Installation: 41
Value: 43
Appearance: 35
Overall Quality: 37
Expected Durability: 39
Total: 195

The two points of concern from the judges has since been fixed in the production model......

From this link..... A very reliable publication.

The prototype model showed a 25 RWHP gain..... Hmmmmmm Say what now? Also the tune is now made especially for this CAI and gets a little more power out of it, since it was made for its specific airflow.

umm aren't those generation cobras blown? Because there's virtually no way you can get more than 10hp gain on an N/A car



No its for the 05/06 3V 4.6L They are just saying they liked DeMolets work so much on the 03 cobra that they brought him back to work on the 05/06 CAI.

Read the article I linked to and you will see the tests are for the 05/06



Josh


interesting, do you have any numbers on how much the flow has increased? That seems pretty amazing to me, especially since it's dyno numbers (real world should be more)
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: Theguynextdoor
Sweet. As much as I like my GM V8, Ford's firing order makes a nicer rumble then mine ever will.

QFT. But nothing sounds as good as an Old Pushrod V8....... The sound the S/D OHC motor makes is nowhere near as nice as the pushrod motors.

Josh
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: TBone48
Any way you can post an audio clip?
Congrats on the car, btw. I really like Mustangs :thumbsup:

Ill post an audio clip after I get my Kooks long tube headers, Off road H-Pipe, and Mac Mufflers installed at the end of the month. Plus a burnout video :p!


Plans are leaning towards a Kenne Bell Blower by years end.... Gonna try to sell my old .50 mustang and get one with the money from it.


Josh

how much you want for the 5.0?
 

DanFungus

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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: JMWarren
Originally posted by: Slacker
CAI kits are really just high flow intakes, and the power gained is mostly due to the increased airflow and leaner air fuel mix resulting from it.

A high flow intake and a chip/tune is certainly capable of a 20+ hp gain.

Espically considering all the air-intake silencers that are present on todays cars.


Yea the Pre-Cats really hurt performance...... Stupid emissions crap! :p

intake silencer != catalytic converter. cats are in the exhaust, pre-cats are physically before something - like a turbo.
wrx exhaust diagram
The pre-cat is in the uppipe
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: TBone48
Any way you can post an audio clip?
Congrats on the car, btw. I really like Mustangs :thumbsup:

Ill post an audio clip after I get my Kooks long tube headers, Off road H-Pipe, and Mac Mufflers installed at the end of the month. Plus a burnout video :p!


Plans are leaning towards a Kenne Bell Blower by years end.... Gonna try to sell my old .50 mustang and get one with the money from it.


Josh

how much you want for the 5.0?


Probally upwards of $5k. It has alot of work done to it, in pretty good shape. I can provide pictures/details should yu like.
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: DanFungus
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: JMWarren
Originally posted by: Slacker
CAI kits are really just high flow intakes, and the power gained is mostly due to the increased airflow and leaner air fuel mix resulting from it.

A high flow intake and a chip/tune is certainly capable of a 20+ hp gain.

Espically considering all the air-intake silencers that are present on todays cars.


Yea the Pre-Cats really hurt performance...... Stupid emissions crap! :p

intake silencer != catalytic converter. cats are in the exhaust, pre-cats are physically before something - like a turbo.
wrx exhaust diagram
The pre-cat is in the uppipe


Im talking about the emiisions filter that keeps the unburnt gas from coming back out of the cyclinder when you shut the car off, it keeps the fumes trapped in the air tube and burns them up when the car is started.
 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
that's not cold air, it's just a short ram air intake.

i'm willing to bet that actually robs performance


WTF do you know, alot of people are reporting +30 RWHP with his Cold Air kit and tune.

yeah, I bet the performance tune adds 29 and the SRI adds 1


SRI's can be very pointless depending on where you are getting the air from.

CAI ~= SRI

CAI can actually yield some horsepower, SRI's usually dont far enough away from the engine bay to get cold erair.
 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
that's not cold air, it's just a short ram air intake.

i'm willing to bet that actually robs performance


WTF do you know, alot of people are reporting +30 RWHP with his Cold Air kit and tune.

the placebo effect is strong.


Where are you getting your information from, your ass? There are many magazines and performance shops that have tested this along with other Cold Air intakes for the 3V 4.6 Motor in these cars, and this is amoung the best out there.


There are many MAGAZINES = selling
There are many SHOPS = selling

You think they might have a reason for saying its good? lol
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: dxkj
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
Originally posted by: jcovercash
Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
that's not cold air, it's just a short ram air intake.

i'm willing to bet that actually robs performance


WTF do you know, alot of people are reporting +30 RWHP with his Cold Air kit and tune.

the placebo effect is strong.


Where are you getting your information from, your ass? There are many magazines and performance shops that have tested this along with other Cold Air intakes for the 3V 4.6 Motor in these cars, and this is amoung the best out there.


There are many MAGAZINES = selling
There are many SHOPS = selling

You think they might have a reason for saying its good? lol


Whatever, Im not trying to prove anything to anyone...... Im was just showing off a really nice product I got today, and one that works good.

This post is alot better than the other stupid threads on AT about some moron having GF problems, or other stupid stuff......


When my friend gets his dyno setup. Ill take my car their and do several runs in each config. (Stock Intake/Stock Tune, CAI/Stock Tune, Stock Intake/Tune, CAI/Tune) To show the power gain for each product seperately, and then togahter, along with a base to compare by......

Its not just the magazine I am basing this off of. It is alot of individuals that have purchased this item and had their car dyno'ed and got similar results that the magazine got. The article from the magazine was easier to link to....

And the magazine is not trying to sell anything in particualr, because all of the intakes/tunes perform withen 5 hp of each other...



Josh
 

dxkj

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I have no problems with the thread ;) Im just sticking e-nose into your business and BS'ing the little I know about cars and performance :).


I do like the sound the SRI adds.... but I read earlier you were calling it a CAI... I understand there might be no room to actually snake a REAL CAI, but that thing really looks like an SRI, and just based on the design, even if lets the car breathe better, the air coming into it wont be Colder since it is in the engine bay, the way a CAI would be, right?

It would be cool if you had a chunk of change to blow on 2 dynos, one with the intake and one without, with everything else left the same. At least that way if you posted the #'s no one could call BS, and we would all have a lot more facts to work with :)

I would guess maybe 5hp out of it, maybe 10 max. But then thats a guess because Im not as familiar with V8 NA potential.


Edit: Sweet! your friend is setting up a dyno. Drop me a PM if you think about it when you post the results, Im curious.
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: jcovercash
I got a new 06 Mustang GT last weekend and took it today to have a Cold air kit installed and a performance tune. I went with a DeMolet Tube, man this thing is AWSOME. The sound is killer from it. And the performance gain is WOW. No words

Here are some pictures....

#1
#2

Pics of car to follow tommorow after cleaning.

Josh

Where'd you buy it? I'm looking to get an intake and tune for my 06 GT.
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: dxkj
I have no problems with the thread ;) Im just sticking e-nose into your business and BS'ing the little I know about cars and performance :).


I do like the sound the SRI adds.... but I read earlier you were calling it a CAI... I understand there might be no room to actually snake a REAL CAI, but that thing really looks like an SRI, and just based on the design, even if lets the car breathe better, the air coming into it wont be Colder since it is in the engine bay, the way a CAI would be, right?

It would be cool if you had a chunk of change to blow on 2 dynos, one with the intake and one without, with everything else left the same. At least that way if you posted the #'s no one could call BS, and we would all have a lot more facts to work with :)

I would guess maybe 5hp out of it, maybe 10 max. But then thats a guess because Im not as familiar with V8 NA potential.



Well with the 05/06 there is not place for a "Real" CAI as you people are calling it. In most cases the Charge air is only 10 degrees above the ambient air. So if its 90 degrees out, you will have 100 degree air going into your car.... Much better than just air from an open engine bay.... But the demolet kit is built thicker than the kit I am basing this charge temp off of. I will try to find a way to measure the air charge temp during real driving temps, compared to underhood temps, and outside temps.

I can have as many dyno runs as I want. I have a friend who just bought a wheel dyno, so I can talk him into letting me do it no problem.

I have no doubts about the 25-30hp claim/dyno results because you can't feel 5-10hp, you can feel 30rwhp.

Josh
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: jcovercash
I got a new 06 Mustang GT last weekend and took it today to have a Cold air kit installed and a performance tune. I went with a DeMolet Tube, man this thing is AWSOME. The sound is killer from it. And the performance gain is WOW. No words

Here are some pictures....

#1
#2

Pics of car to follow tommorow after cleaning.

Josh

Where'd you buy it? I'm looking to get an intake and tune for my 06 GT.



Sent you a PM, but if anyone else is interested it came from John DeMolet, who owns DeMolet Automotive, LLC. http://www.tunableinduction.com/


Josh
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
the word cold air means COLD AIR, how do you think you are getting COLD air by putting the intake right next to the engine genius?

any performance gain, if any, is entirely due to the tuning.

That may not be the case...while the air certainly isn't "cold", the bigger, less restrictive intake could make a difference in engines that have trouble breathing. I'm not sure if the Mustang engine is one of those, but if it is, I have no doubt that the intake+a good tuneup could yield 30hp with some luck (he never claimed "everyone" gets 30hp, remember, and 30hp isn't a huge percentage of the total horsepower of the car).

I know that a less restrictive intake and exhaust can net 5-10 hp in the mk1 MR2...and that's on a ~105hp engine...
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: MaxFusion16
the word cold air means COLD AIR, how do you think you are getting COLD air by putting the intake right next to the engine genius?

any performance gain, if any, is entirely due to the tuning.

That may not be the case...while the air certainly isn't "cold", the bigger, less restrictive intake could make a difference in engines that have trouble breathing. I'm not sure if the Mustang engine is one of those, but if it is, I have no doubt that the intake+a good tuneup could yield 30hp with some luck (he never claimed "everyone" gets 30hp, remember, and 30hp isn't a huge percentage of the total horsepower of the car).

I know that a less restrictive intake and exhaust can net 5-10 hp in the mk1 MR2...and that's on a ~105hp engine...



Yea 30rwhp on a 300 BHP engine, is less that a 10% increase at the wheels. ITs not a HUGE increase but for just a tune/intake it is.

As I stated in an earlier post, the air charge temp is 10 degrees or less than the ambiant air....

The intake you are talking about on the MR2 is without a performance tune designed for the intake also. This tune on this CAI is done by SCT the man. of the tuner, it was designed especially for the make/slow of this specific CAI.

Josh
 

Rogodin2

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Nice looking intake! Most tuners put open element cone intakes into the dyno's fault tolerance variables. At least the ones I've delt with.

It's a fine intake even if the real world gain is less than 2hp!

Hope to see the pics of the entire car :)

Rogo
 

jcovercash

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Nice looking intake! Most tuners put open element cone intakes into the dyno's fault tolerance variables. At least the ones I've delt with.

It's a fine intake even if the real world gain is less than 2hp!

Hope to see the pics of the entire car :)

Rogo


Gotta get it cleaned up first :p..... I hit about 50000000 bugs on the way to his shop to buy this and have it installed... And hit just as many coming back.... Stupid country roads... But hey it made for nice driving to test out the new intake/tune. :p