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Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: Scouzer

Ironically, Canada's Air Navigation Services are private, and in the states its all government. Remarkedly backwards.

ATC personnel here in the U.S. are some of the highest paid government workers. But I would not want any part of it. I worked on the other end as a pilot and I would not want to have to work with people like me.

I think government controlled ATC is a good thing here in the U.S.... otherwise they may try to get unionized and decide to strike. That would be catastrophic, the only downside is incompetent leadership that cannot figure how to upgrade ATC computers.
 

Scouzer

Lifer
Jun 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Scouzer

Ironically, Canada's Air Navigation Services are private, and in the states its all government. Remarkedly backwards.

ATC personnel here in the U.S. are some of the highest paid government workers. But I would not want any part of it. I worked on the other end as a pilot and I would not want to have to work with people like me.

I think government controlled ATC is a good thing here in the U.S.... otherwise they may try to get unionized and decide to strike. That would be catastrophic, the only downside is incompetent leadership that cannot figure how to upgrade ATC computers.

We are unionized here, and always have been.

It is illegal for us to strike. We have not even tried, or made a squeak of it for 15 years. This is despite how poorly the company treats us.

At work I use a text only computer for my weather and flight planning. It operates on a 33.6 fax modem and the computer itself is a Pentium 1 133mhz. The system was initially rolled out to Flight Service in 1990. No replacement is in the works.
 

Pastore

Diamond Member
Feb 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: Scouzer
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Scouzer

Ironically, Canada's Air Navigation Services are private, and in the states its all government. Remarkedly backwards.

ATC personnel here in the U.S. are some of the highest paid government workers. But I would not want any part of it. I worked on the other end as a pilot and I would not want to have to work with people like me.

I think government controlled ATC is a good thing here in the U.S.... otherwise they may try to get unionized and decide to strike. That would be catastrophic, the only downside is incompetent leadership that cannot figure how to upgrade ATC computers.

We are unionized here, and always have been.

It is illegal for us to strike. We have not even tried, or made a squeak of it for 15 years. This is despite how poorly the company treats us.

At work I use a text only computer for my weather and flight planning. It operates on a 33.6 fax modem and the computer itself is a Pentium 1 133mhz. The system was initially rolled out to Flight Service in 1990. No replacement is in the works.

How is that safe? What happens when that thing finally decides to croak? Is there at least a failover system in place?
 

Scouzer

Lifer
Jun 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Pastore
Originally posted by: Scouzer
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Scouzer

Ironically, Canada's Air Navigation Services are private, and in the states its all government. Remarkedly backwards.

ATC personnel here in the U.S. are some of the highest paid government workers. But I would not want any part of it. I worked on the other end as a pilot and I would not want to have to work with people like me.

I think government controlled ATC is a good thing here in the U.S.... otherwise they may try to get unionized and decide to strike. That would be catastrophic, the only downside is incompetent leadership that cannot figure how to upgrade ATC computers.

We are unionized here, and always have been.

It is illegal for us to strike. We have not even tried, or made a squeak of it for 15 years. This is despite how poorly the company treats us.

At work I use a text only computer for my weather and flight planning. It operates on a 33.6 fax modem and the computer itself is a Pentium 1 133mhz. The system was initially rolled out to Flight Service in 1990. No replacement is in the works.

How is that safe? What happens when that thing finally decides to croak? Is there at least a failover system in place?

Haha...no backup. None. It goes down often, then we cannot send out local weather, do flight plans, or any other critical functions of our job.

What happens when it dies? We wait a minimum of 72 hours for Tech Ops to send someone out. In the meantime we do everything by fax which is very labour intensive and slow.

You are right, its a safety hazard. But nothing will be done until a few people die from it.
 

jdini76

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Mar 16, 2001
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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
I thought air traffic controllers made more than that?

I imagine the Shift Differential and OT makes it all worth while.
 

KLin

Lifer
Feb 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: Scouzer
Originally posted by: Pastore
Originally posted by: Scouzer
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Scouzer

Ironically, Canada's Air Navigation Services are private, and in the states its all government. Remarkedly backwards.

ATC personnel here in the U.S. are some of the highest paid government workers. But I would not want any part of it. I worked on the other end as a pilot and I would not want to have to work with people like me.

I think government controlled ATC is a good thing here in the U.S.... otherwise they may try to get unionized and decide to strike. That would be catastrophic, the only downside is incompetent leadership that cannot figure how to upgrade ATC computers.

We are unionized here, and always have been.

It is illegal for us to strike. We have not even tried, or made a squeak of it for 15 years. This is despite how poorly the company treats us.

At work I use a text only computer for my weather and flight planning. It operates on a 33.6 fax modem and the computer itself is a Pentium 1 133mhz. The system was initially rolled out to Flight Service in 1990. No replacement is in the works.

How is that safe? What happens when that thing finally decides to croak? Is there at least a failover system in place?

Haha...no backup. None. It goes down often, then we cannot send out local weather, do flight plans, or any other critical functions of our job.

What happens when it dies? We wait a minimum of 72 hours for Tech Ops to send someone out. In the meantime we do everything by fax which is very labour intensive and slow.

You are right, its a safety hazard. But nothing will be done until a few people die from it.


Never fly in Canada has been added to my DO NOT DO list. :thumbsup:
 

Scouzer

Lifer
Jun 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: jdini76
Originally posted by: Slew Foot
I thought air traffic controllers made more than that?

I imagine the Shift Differential and OT makes it all worth while.


Weekends = $0.50/hr for Saturday, $0.75/hr for Sunday
Evening = $8/shift flat rate
Night= $16/shift flat rate

OT = 1.5x for first OT in your days off, 2.0x for the second.