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Goss Claims He Has Idea Where Bin Laden Is

BBond

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Can you believe this one???

We can't get bin Laden because we can't capture him because of our respect for soveriegn nations.

After IRAQ???

Bwahahahahahaha

You've GOT to be kidding!

Goss Claims He Has Idea Where Bin Laden Is

2 hours, 32 minutes ago

NEW YORK - The director of the
CIA says he has an "excellent idea" where Osama bin Laden is hiding, but that the United States' respect for sovereign nations makes it more difficult to capture the al-Qaida chief.

In an interview with Time for the magazine's June 27 issue, Porter Goss was asked about the progress of the hunt for bin Laden.

"When you go to the question of dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play," Goss said. "We have to find a way to work in a conventional world in unconventional ways."

Asked whether that meant he knew where bin Laden is, Goss responded: "I have an excellent idea where he is. What's the next question?"

Goss did not say where he thinks bin Laden is, nor did he specify what country or countries he was referring to when he spoke of foreign sanctuaries. But American officials have long said they believed bin Laden was hiding in rugged mountains along the Afghan-Pakistani border.
 

maluckey

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Pakistanis are or friends........for now. They hate OBL more than we do. They also don't care much for certain other troublesome countries that we also don't like. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

BBond,

Nice to see you broke your steady diet of crazy sites. That addiction could fry your brain;)
 

StormRider

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One problem is that if we did invade Pakistan's territory while looking for Osama, it could lead to a revolt and toppling of Pakistan's current government by people sympathetic to Osama and al-Qaeda and that wouldn't be a good thing considering that Pakistan has nukes.

It's a very delicate situation.
 

BBond

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The very idea, after the example Bush set in IRAQ, that the Bush administration is now concerned with any nation's sovereignty or the world's view of the America's "fair play" is so outrageous as to be comical.

This sounds like a skit from SNL.

:roll:
 

maluckey

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It may seem funny, but while they (Pakistan) are an ally of sorts, it wouldn't do to kick sand on their face.
 

Praetorian7

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This has got to be a ploy, as discussed in the other thread. Those regions are so remote we could be in and out of ther with helicopters and crack troops before anyone knew it. I believe that we probably have no idea where he is except for a general vicinity of 1-2 countries. I think they are trying to make him move.
 

13rian

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Didn't Bush say something about "harboring terrorists" and "your either with us, or you against us?" With this evidence alone, I thought he'd send Goss to Guantanamo, torture, take pics, and then heedlessly rush into the country where ever his finger lands on...or just the last part.
 

morkinva

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Ah yes, things are getting so bad for this administration, it's about time for a happy event, like capturing OBL.

Just like Saddam who was our boy when it suited us, then he was captured when he outlived his usefulness. It's the same for OBL, he's been our boy all along. Now, all of a sudden, we know where he is. Why am I not surprised?

Please see through the lies and spin.
 

Medicine Bear

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Originally posted by: morkinva
Ah yes, things are getting so bad for this administration, it's about time for a happy event, like capturing OBL.

Just like Saddam who was our boy when it suited us, then he was captured when he outlived his usefulness. It's the same for OBL, he's been our boy all along. Now, all of a sudden, we know where he is. Why am I not surprised?

Please see through the lies and spin.
We have Jim Morrison and Elvis tucked away nicely as well. In fact they live in a house with T-Pac, D.B. Cooper, and Ameila Earhart
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: morkinva
Ah yes, things are getting so bad for this administration, it's about time for a happy event, like capturing OBL.

Just like Saddam who was our boy when it suited us, then he was captured when he outlived his usefulness. It's the same for OBL, he's been our boy all along. Now, all of a sudden, we know where he is. Why am I not surprised?

Please see through the lies and spin.
We have Jim Morrison and Elvis tucked away nicely as well. In fact they live in a house with T-Pac, D.B. Cooper, and Ameila Earhart

You forgot Hitler.
 

Medicine Bear

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: morkinva
Ah yes, things are getting so bad for this administration, it's about time for a happy event, like capturing OBL.

Just like Saddam who was our boy when it suited us, then he was captured when he outlived his usefulness. It's the same for OBL, he's been our boy all along. Now, all of a sudden, we know where he is. Why am I not surprised?

Please see through the lies and spin.
We have Jim Morrison and Elvis tucked away nicely as well. In fact they live in a house with T-Pac, D.B. Cooper, and Ameila Earhart

You forgot Hitler.
Hitler is dead man. Geez, don't be stupid. Everyone knows he died in a car wreck on the 405 back in 1972. Eva was giving him some roadhead, he lost control and they smashed into on oncoming VW Microbus. Gotta love irony like that.

 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: morkinva
Ah yes, things are getting so bad for this administration, it's about time for a happy event, like capturing OBL.

Just like Saddam who was our boy when it suited us, then he was captured when he outlived his usefulness. It's the same for OBL, he's been our boy all along. Now, all of a sudden, we know where he is. Why am I not surprised?

Please see through the lies and spin.
We have Jim Morrison and Elvis tucked away nicely as well. In fact they live in a house with T-Pac, D.B. Cooper, and Ameila Earhart

You forgot Hitler.
Hitler is dead man. Geez, don't be stupid. Everyone knows he died in a car wreck on the 405 back in 1972. Eva was giving him some roadhead, he lost control and they smashed into on oncoming VW Microbus. Gotta love irony like that.

The 405 eh? Near Santa Ana?
 

Medicine Bear

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Originally posted by: morkinva
Ah yes, things are getting so bad for this administration, it's about time for a happy event, like capturing OBL.

Just like Saddam who was our boy when it suited us, then he was captured when he outlived his usefulness. It's the same for OBL, he's been our boy all along. Now, all of a sudden, we know where he is. Why am I not surprised?

Please see through the lies and spin.
We have Jim Morrison and Elvis tucked away nicely as well. In fact they live in a house with T-Pac, D.B. Cooper, and Ameila Earhart

You forgot Hitler.
Hitler is dead man. Geez, don't be stupid. Everyone knows he died in a car wreck on the 405 back in 1972. Eva was giving him some roadhead, he lost control and they smashed into on oncoming VW Microbus. Gotta love irony like that.

The 405 eh? Near Santa Ana?
Actually it was near exit 4a for The Dalles. He thought it sounded French and he was looking for a bit more Lebensraum

 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: StormRider
One problem is that if we did invade Pakistan's territory while looking for Osama, it could lead to a revolt and toppling of Pakistan's current government by people sympathetic to Osama and al-Qaeda and that wouldn't be a good thing considering that Pakistan has nukes.

It's a very delicate situation.

Bingo, thats why we can't go in and get Bin Laden. It's really an unfortunate situation :(
 

BBond

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Speaking of unfortunate situations, just why was Iraq, unlike Pakistan, so "indelicate"?

WTF was the rush? bin Laden DEFINITELY WAS NOT in Iraq.

:roll:

Never underestimate the power of denial.
 

imported_Pedro69

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[sarcasm]
CIA director Porter Goss said today that he has an "excellent" idea of where Bin Laden is. He said that after talking to Rumsfeld he now believes, "We know where Bin Laden is, he's in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, north and south somewhat.?

Upon hearing this on CNN, Bin Laded packed up his satellite dish, 42" plasma screen TV, put them in his recently purchased luxury car, and drove off to parts unknown.
[/sarcasm]
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: StormRider
One problem is that if we did invade Pakistan's territory while looking for Osama, it could lead to a revolt and toppling of Pakistan's current government by people sympathetic to Osama and al-Qaeda and that wouldn't be a good thing considering that Pakistan has nukes.

It's a very delicate situation.

Bingo, thats why we can't go in and get Bin Laden. It's really an unfortunate situation :(

Indeed.

As a side note, if anyone is interested, Pakistan only has nukes because China helped them get them. And China did that to hurt India, who they view as rivals in the region. Yeah international relations!
 

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So, when a nation has agreed to the terms of a cease fire to end hostilities towards them , and violated the terms numerous times, do they still enjoy all the other perks that other "soveriegn " nations enjoy?:confused:
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
So, when a nation has agreed to the terms of a cease fire to end hostilities towards them , and violated the terms numerous times, do they still enjoy all the other perks that other "soveriegn " nations enjoy?:confused:

They are still a sovereign nation. No one nation has the authority to attack them. The UN refused to authorize Bush's unprovoked attack.
 

BBond

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And the simple question raised by Goss is asked by CSM...

"If we know where bin Laden is, why don't we get him?"

By Matthew Clark | csmonitor.com
In an interview published on Time magazine's website Sunday, CIA Director Porter Goss recently said he has an "excellent" idea where Osama bin Laden is hiding, sparking fresh speculation in the media and among analysts as to why the US hasn't yet captured or killed the Al Qaeda leader.

Asked when the US will get Mr. bin Laden, Mr. Goss had this to say:

In the chain that you need to successfully wrap up the war on terror, we have some weak links. And I find that until we strengthen all the links, we're probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice. ... when you go to the very difficult question of dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you're dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play.

"Mr. Goss's carefully worded comments again avoid naming any countries, but could ... be interpreted as a suggestion that dealing with Pakistan over [bin Laden] has become a sensitive issue for the US," reports BBC.

In an opinion piece pubished in Asia Times, the director of the Institute for Topical Studies in Chennai, India, B. Raman goes a bit further. He writes that "the exasperation of [Goss] with Pakistan's role in the hunt for [bin Laden] and other Al Qaeda members is evident from his remarks."

[Goss] did not mention Pakistan by name, but it was apparent that he was talking of that country. On the Afghan side of the border, 16,000 US troops have the responsibility to hunt for bin Laden. If he was in Afghan territory, there would be no reason for Goss to talk of sanctuaries in sovereign states, weak links, etc. If bin Laden was in Iranian territory, there would be no reason not to name Iran, since US relations with Tehran are already at rock-bottom.

Mr. Raman ends the piece this way: "If [Goss] has such an excellent idea of where bin Laden is, why is the CIA not using Predator aircraft to kill him?"

Writing for the editorial board of The Huntsville Times, John Ehinger did not mince words: "If we know where Osama bin Laden is hiding, let's go get him."

White House Press Secretary McClellan sought to clear up this question Monday by saying that Goss "was referring to the general area [bin Laden's] believed to be in."

"If we knew exactly where he was, we would go get him," said Mr. McClellan.

[Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf] recognizes the importance of going after those terrorists and bringing them to justice before they can do harm. .. We are receiving good cooperation from the government of Pakistan. They are a partner in the global war on terrorism, and they have been working with US to go after al Qaeda and Taliban remnants.

Depite the fact that Pakistan has consistently denied any implication that it is not doing its level best to capture or kill Al Qaeda and Taliban members within its borders, some US diplomatic and military officials working in Afghanistan have long thought bin Laden is across the border in Pakistan.

Last September, Lt. Gen. David Barno, commander of US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan, said that top Al Qaeda leaders, including bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri, were more likely to be in Pakistan than Afghanistan. "We see relatively little evidence of senior Al Qaeda personality figures being here (in Afghanistan) because they can feel more protected by their foreign fighters in remote areas inside Pakistan," he said. Lt. Gen. Barno pointed out then that no major al Qaeda figures had been caught or killed in Afghanistan since 2002, but Pakistan had arrested or killed dozens in the months preceding his comments.

The outgoing US ambassador to Afghanistan, Zalmad Khalilzad, has repeatedly made controversial comments suggesting that top level Al Qaeda and Taliban members are not being pursued as actively in Pakistan as in Afghanistan. Last year Pakistan denounced his comments about Islamabad not doing enough to combat Al Qaeda as "worrisome, foolish, and highly irresponsible," reports BBC.

Mr. Khalilzad's language was decidedly more circumspect last week when he refuted the claim that Taliban leader Mullah Omar and bin Laden are in Afghanistan. "Although he was careful not to say explicitly that he thought they were in Pakistan, he came as close to saying it as is possible without offending diplomatic sensibilities," writes BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera.

Khalilzad, who, if the Senate approves, soon will be leaving his post to become US ambassador to Iraq, may have escaped an assassination attempt in Afghanistan Monday. The Associated Press reports that Afghan intelligence agents thwarted a plot to kill Khalilzad, arresting three Pakistanis armed with assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades.

According to AP, "two senior officials said the men had admitted their guilt to intelligence agents and told authorities they were in Afghanistan 'to fight jihad,' or holy war." The arrests came days after US and Afghan officials "warned that foreign fighters were slipping into Afghanistan to cause mayhem ahead of parliamentary elections," reports AP.

Afghan Defense Minister Rahim Wardak said Friday that Al Qaeda is regrouping in Afghanistan. Mr. Wardak told AP that Al Qaeda slipped about half a dozen Arab agents into Afghanistan over the past few weeks.

Wardak would not say where the Al Qaeda fighters entered from, but other Afghan intelligence sources told AP that the men are believed to have crossed the border from Pakistan's southwestern Baluchistan province, and that more were on the way. ...

The defense minister said Al Qaeda and the Taliban were receiving support from "regional powers" who were rattled by Afghanistan's request for a long-term US and NATO presence, but he declined to single out any country in particular. "There is no doubt that there are countries in this region that have their own designs, and have had from long ago, and they are always trying to exploit the vacuums that have been created here," he said.

In the BBC analysis piece cited above, Mr. Corera writes:

So far, there are only hints that the US may be beginning to lose patience with its ally's contribution but if those hints become anything stronger, there could be stormy times ahead in the most critical of relationships in America's war on terror.


I'd also like to point out to those who feel it was a choice between the U.S. or al Qaeda in Iraq -- al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until Bush brought them there.

That always makes me wonder, just how would you feel if a more powerful nation declared America homefield for their "war on terror"?