Gorelick-gate: 9/11 Commission Rocked by Scandal

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Gorelick-gate: 9/11 Commission Rocked by Scandal

The independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks may be about to implode amidst partisan recriminations and charges of conflict of interest, with the chairman House Judiciary Committee calling on one of the panel's leading members to resign.

Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., demanded on Wednesday that former Clinton administration deputy attorney general Jamie Gorelick resign from the investigation, charging that she "has an inherent conflict of interest as the author of this memo and as a government official at the center of the events in question."

The Gorelick memo, issued under the authority of the Justice Department in 1995, was blamed by Attorney General John Ashcroft on Tuesday for hampering the ability of the FBI and CIA to cooperate in terrorist investigations.

Other aspects of Gorelick's tenure suggest more conflicts, such as questions about what role, if any, she played in advising President Clinton that there was no legal basis to extradite Osama bin Laden to the U.S. when he was offered by Sudan in 1996.

Another problem: Gorelick's lawfirm represents Saudi Prince Mohammed al Faisal, a potential defendant in the litigation being brought by the 9/11 families. A finding by the Commission that 9/11 was preventable could take some of the heat off of Gorelick's Saudi clients.

Commission Chairman Tom Kean, however, dismissed suggestions that Gorelick was unfit to serve on Wednesday, complaining that Sensenbrenner and other Commission critics should "stay out of our business."

Gorelick apparently enjoys a special relationship with Kean. She boasted last week that she was the only other commissioner besides Kean and co-chair Lee Hamilton who had access to every one of the presidential daily briefings.

Gorelick's public conduct in recent days has only exacerbated perceptions of impropriety.

Last Thursday, when asked whether the Commission's finding would impact on the presidential election, Gorelick told MSNBC "Hardball" host Chris Matthews, "[The report] will raise some very fundamental issues."

Minutes later, Gorelick beamed as Matthews referred to her as a "former deputy attorney general [who] may well be attorney general again."
 

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Morris: Gorelick U.S. Official Most Responsible for 9/11

Former chief White House political advisor Dick Morris charged Wednesday night that 9/11 Commissioner Jamie Gorelick is the U.S. public official "most responsible for 9/11 happening."

"Of all of the public officials in the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, the one who is most directly, in my judgment, responsible for 9/11 happening is Jamie Gorelick," Morris told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes."

Morris cited the now notorious Gorelick memo, a document she issued in 1995 while serving as deputy attorney general that impeded the U.S.'s war on terrorism.

"This woman is bad news," Morris charged. "She ran the Justice Department for three years - Reno was a figurehead during that period."

The top political consultant said that it was Gorelick's "invention to set up this wall that separated investigators from intelligence gatherers."

Morris cited the arrest of the so-called 20th hijacker, Zacarias Moussaui, whose computer contained the names of some of the Sept. 11 hijackers and the flight schools they attended.

While prosecutors pursued Moussaui on an immigration violation, he said, "they couldn't let the intelligence types look at his computer."

"Jamie Gorelick is more responsible than anybody for [the] 9/11 [plot] going undetected," Morris concluded.

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Gorelick apparently enjoys a special relationship with Kean. She boasted last week that she was the only other commissioner besides Kean and co-chair Lee Hamilton who had access to every one of the presidential daily briefings.

With regard to the above statement about "a special relationship with Kean" someone didn't do their homework.

Gorelick was one of the 2 people the Bush admin had to relent to allow to see the PDBs...as they stonewalled the comission...
The independent 9/11 commission finally forced the August 6 PDB out of Bush's clutches. But first the White House put up a fight, refusing to allow the full commission to see this and other PDBs. The commission and the White House negotiated an agreement under which one commissioner, Jamie Gorelick (a Democrat), and the panel's executive director, Philip Zelikow (a Republican), were able to review the PDBs and report back to the other commissioners, after the White House vetted the notes they had taken. September 11 family members complained about the arrangement. They believed the full commission should have access to the PDBs, and they worried about Zelikow's credibility. (He served with Rice in the first Bush administration, co-wrote a book with her, worked on the Bush II transition team with her, and was appointed by George W. Bush to be on the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.) This deal did seem to provide the White House the opportunity to continue to suppress specifics about the PDB.

 

 





Published on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 by The Nation


Condi's Cover-up Caves In


by David Corn

 



A small but significant White House cover-up fell apart this past weekend.

When the White House finally released the August 6, 2001 President's Daily Brief, it marked the end of a two-year effort on the part of the Bush administration to prevent the public from learning that a month before the 9/11 attacks--and weeks after the U.S. government had collected "chatter" indicating Osama bin Laden was planning a major strike--Bush received information indicating that al Qaeda was intent on mounting attacks within the United States.

Condoleezza Rice was instrumental in the attempt to keep the contents of this PDB--which was entitled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" and which noted that al Qaeda "apparently maintains a support structure [in the United States] that could aid attacks" and that the FBI had detected "suspicious activity...consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks"--from becoming known. And it is obvious why it was so important for her and the White House to smother this PDB.

The existence of the August 6 PDB was first revealed by CBS News' David Martin on May 15, 2002. But Martin's report only referred to the PDB in one sentence that noted the PDB had warned that an attack by bin Laden could involve hijacking U.S. aircraft. CBS did not report the title of the briefing or any other material it contained. A media furor erupted after the White House acknowledged Bush had received this PDB. The day after the CBS News report, The New York Times carried a front-page story with a headline declaring, "Bush Was Warned Bin Laden Wanted To Hijack Planes."

The disclosure of the PDB came at an especially awkward time for the White House. Two weeks earlier, news reports revealed that an FBI agent in Phoenix in July 2001 had written a classified memo suggesting that a group of Middle Eastern aviation students might be linked to terrorists (including bin Laden) and that the FBI had not taken any action in response to this agent's investigation. The "Phoenix memo" received a flood of media coverage, and the Bush administration--which heretofore had not had to field any tough questions about the government's pre-9/11 performance-- was confronted with queries about the negligent handling of the agent's prescient report. At the same time, the case of Zacarias Moussaoui was in the news. On May 15, the Times reported that before 9/11 an FBI agent had speculated that Moussaoui, the suspicious aviation student arrested by the FBI on immigration charges in the summer of 2001, might have been planning to fly a plane into the World Trade Center. News reports had previously indicated that the FBI had not pursued the Moussaoui case vigorously prior to September 11.

The Phoenix memo, the Moussaoui case--all of this placed the administration on the defensive for the first time since 9/11, as the White House fended off suggestions (and accusations) that the federal government, on Bush's watch, had missed crucial tips and opportunities to thwart the horrific attacks. Then came news of the August 6 PDB.

The White House reaction was predictable: stonewall. The Bush crew clearly did not want American citizens to discover that he had been told that bin Laden was aiming to conduct attacks in the United States, and they did not want to have to answer the inevitable questions (such as, what did the president do in response to this briefing?). So Team Bush started spinning, and its lead twirler was Rice.

On May 16, she held a briefing for reporters and described the PDB as "not a warning" and no more than an "analytic report that talked about [bin Laden's] methods of operations, talked about what he had done historically, in 1997, 1998. It mentioned hijacking, but hijacking in the traditional sense, and in a sense said that the most important and likely thing was they would take over an airliner holding passengers and demand the release of one of their operatives." She did not refer to the title or the other elements of the PDB unrelated to hijacking, including the report that al Qaeda members had apparently set up a support network in the United States. She did her best to make the PDB seem rather dull:

"This was generalized information that put together the fact that there were terrorist groups who were unhappy [with] things that were going on in the Middle East as well as al Qaeda operatives, which we'd been watching for a long time, that there was more chatter than usual, and that we knew that they were people who might try a hijacking. But, you know, again, that terrorism and hijacking might be associated is not rocket science."

That ho-hum description hardly matches the actual memo. And several days after the PDB story broke, Ari Fleischer, then Bush's press secretary, told reporters that the headline on the document was "Bin Laden Determined To Strike the United States." That is, he had changed an "in" to a "the"--an alteration of significance, since the White House line has been that the pre-9/11 chatter had the administration looking for attacks on targets outside the United States. A May 19 , 2002, front-page Washington Post story did report the correct title of the PDB and did state that the briefing had noted that al Qaeda members were living or traveling to the United States. But such reporting was overwhelmed by a White House, PR blitz that maintained the PDB was no big deal.

Rice, Fleischer and their colleagues succeeded more or less. The issue of the August 6, 2001, PDB went away. But there was another front to worry about. In 2002, the House and Senate intelligence committees were conducting a joint 9/11 inquiry. When the committees requested access to PDBs received by Bush and Bill Clinton, the Bush White House said no. As the final report of the joint inquiry noted, "Ultimately, this bar was extended to the point where CIA personnel were not allowed to be interviewed regarding the simple process by which the PDB is prepared."

The joint inquiry did interview intelligence community officials aware of the contents of the August 6 PDB. And the final report of the committees, which was released last summer, strongly hinted at what had been in the PDB. The committees got it right, noting that intelligence material gathered in early August 2001 had informed "senior government officials" that bin Laden had wanted to conduct attacks in the United States and that al Qaeda had a support structure in the United States. But the committees were unable to portray the PDB definitively or to provide the title. Only a few reporters picked up on the obvious hints placed in the final report. For the most part, the cover-up was still holding.

The independent 9/11 commission finally forced the August 6 PDB out of Bush's clutches. But first the White House put up a fight, refusing to allow the full commission to see this and other PDBs. The commission and the White House negotiated an agreement under which one commissioner, Jamie Gorelick (a Democrat), and the panel's executive director, Philip Zelikow (a Republican), were able to review the PDBs and report back to the other commissioners, after the White House vetted the notes they had taken. September 11 family members complained about the arrangement. They believed the full commission should have access to the PDBs, and they worried about Zelikow's credibility. (He served with Rice in the first Bush administration, co-wrote a book with her, worked on the Bush II transition team with her, and was appointed by George W. Bush to be on the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.) This deal did seem to provide the White House the opportunity to continue to suppress specifics about the PDB.

But Richard Clarke got in the way. His book and his testimony to the 9/11 commission brought far more attention to the panel and to the issue of whether the Bush administration had not regarded the al Qaeda threat seriously before September 11. His dramatic appearance also highlighted the White House's refusal to permit Rice to testify. With the White House trying to limit the commission's actions, its attempt to sit on the August 6 PDB became one more example of the administration's reluctance to cooperate fully. (Earlier this year, the White House had opposed the commission's request to add two months to its end-of-May deadline and had said Bush would not consent to an interview with all of the panel's commissioners; it then retreated on each point.)

When Rice did appear, Democratic commission members--particularly Richard Ben-Veniste--grilled her on the PDB, disclosing information from the PDB and forcing her to reveal its title. But she tried to stick to her previous characterization of the PDB, noting it presented "historical information based on old reporting." That depends on what the definition of "historical" is. The PDB did run through material dating back several years to show that "bin Laden since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the U.S." But it also noted that al Qaeda was currently maintaining a "support structure" in the United States. And it cited information obtained in May 2001 that suggested "that a group of bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives." (The White House said it reacted aggressively to this tip-off and it was unrelated to 9/11.) Rice repeatedly referred to the PDB as a "historical" document and did not accept Ben-Veniste's invitation to call for its declassification. When Ben-Veniste asked Rice if she had ever told Bush before August 6, 2001, of the existence of al Qaeda cells within the United States, she did not answer the question.

With so much attention focused on the PDB, it became inevitable that the Bush White House would have to release it. The administration has established a rather clear pattern. When it comes to sharing information with the public about controversial matters, it holds the line as long as it can--until politics dictate otherwise. This is the SOP for elected officials. But Bush does seem to dig in his heels more than most. After two years of hiding the PDB, the administration let it out on a Saturday night--a rather convenient time to make inconvenient information available.

When the White House released the document, it held a background briefing with reporters on a conference call. During this sessions, one White House official said, "The release of this PDB should clear up the myth that's out there that somehow the President was warned about September 11th." But the point of the PDB was not that Bush had been warned specifically about 9/11. At issue was what he had been told about the prospect of a bin Laden strike inside the United States, as well as what, if anything, he did in response. Under questioning from Commissioner Timothy Roemer, a former Democratic congressman, Rice had said the PDB was "most certainly an historical document that says, 'Here's how you might think about al Qaeda.'" But there are no public indications that after he received this briefing that Bush thought at all about the possibility of an al Qaeda attack in the United States. Maybe he did. But during the background briefing, a White House official declined to discuss how Bush reacted to the August 6 briefing: "That's a confidential relationship between the briefer who briefs the President each morning and the President. So not only do we not know, but it's not the sort of thing that we would discuss."

The day after the PDB was released, Bush held a short media availability at Fort Hood, Texas, and insisted that the August 6 briefing "said nothing about an attack on America. It talked about intentions, about somebody who hated America. Well, we knew that." When asked if he was "satisfied" that every agency had done all it should have prior to 9/11, Bush redefined the question: "I'm satisfied that I never saw any intelligence that indicated there was going to be an attack on America at a time and a place of an attack." It was a non sequitur. No one has suggested he saw such intelligence.

The PDB controversy is not about whether Bush received a specific warning a month before 9/11. It concerns his administration's attitude toward al Qaeda and the possibility of domestic attacks prior to September 11 and whether the White House has truly been willing to see the full 9/11 tale uncovered and told. The evidence is mounting that al Qaeda was not the priority it should have been in the first seven months of Bush's presidency. Yet the White House is unable to acknowledge that it made a misjudgment. Much of the public might even believe that it was a natural mistake for a new administration to underestimate the abilities and reach of a madman hunkered down in faraway Afghanistan. In a way, such a screw-up may be more forgivable than Bush and his lieutenants' efforts to cover up information and prevent the 9/11 commission from completing a thorough examination.

Bush lost the PDB battle, but the war is not over. The 9/11 commission is working hurriedly to finish its report by the congressionally mandated date of July 28. No doubt, the commission will have to tussle with the White House over the declassification of other material. Will the administration once more attempt to censor significant information? Could this delay the release of the report? Declassification fights tied up the congressional intelligence committees' 9/11 report for eight months. A repeat would push the unveiling of the 9/11 commission's report until after the election, but commission officials say they are determined to avoid such a fate.

The 9/11 commission has not constantly inspired confidence, but thanks to the panel, Rice's PDB cover-up, after two years, caved in. Still, suspicious minds would be right to wonder: Are there other cover-ups, which are not yet publicly known, that will end up more to Bush and Rice's liking?
 

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The whole panel is a farce. From Gorelick and Ben-Veinste(sp?), to their republican counterparts. All this is, is a political witch hunt to lay blame, so there can be political gains. Its a partisan mess that won't come up with much substance, all it will be is immature finger pointing.

This was a cluster fvck by the govt dating back decades that was just waiting to happen. Sure it happened on Bush's watch, but nothing he could do at the time would have prevented it. Hindsight is always 20/20.

The democrats want to pin it on Bush, the republicans point fingers at Clinton. The some say, well Clinton isnt up for re-election. Crap. All crap.
 

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Let's not forget Reagan in this.

His administration's policies had a direct bearing on these events.
 

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
The whole panel is a farce. From Gorelick and Ben-Veinste(sp?), to their republican counterparts. All this is, is a political witch hunt to lay blame, so there can be political gains. Its a partisan mess that won't come up with much substance, all it will be is immature finger pointing.

This was a cluster fvck by the govt dating back decades that was just waiting to happen. Sure it happened on Bush's watch, but nothing he could do at the time would have prevented it. Hindsight is always 20/20.

The democrats want to pin it on Bush, the republicans point fingers at Clinton. The some say, well Clinton isnt up for re-election. Crap. All crap.

You're right.
This panel is a real national embarrassment. The rest of the world must be laughing at us.
 

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You're right.
This panel is a real national embarrassment. The rest of the world must be laughing at us.

Uh, not laughing, more like cringing in fear. And the panel is not the reason:


"Nearly two-thirds of respondents to an international poll sponsored by the British Broadcasting Corporation say they have an unfavorable opinion of George W. Bush. Asked who is the more dangerous to world peace and stability, the United States was rated higher than al-Qaida by respondents in both Jordan (71 percent) and Indonesia (66 percent).

Furthermore, America was rated more dangerous than two countries considered as "rogue states" by Washington.

The U.S. was rated more dangerous in the eleven-country survey than Iran -- by people in Jordan, Indonesia, Russia, South Korea and Brazil, and more dangerous than Syria -- by respondents in Canada, Brazil, France, Indonesia, Jordan, Russia, South Korea and the United Kingdom.

The countries rounding out the eleven include: Australia, Israel and the United States. The survey, conducted for the BBC by ICM and other international pollsters, gauged opinion towards U.S. military, economic, cultural and political influence."
 

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Originally posted by: Perknose
You're right.
This panel is a real national embarrassment. The rest of the world must be laughing at us.

Uh, not laughing, more like <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/6/16/215754.shtml" target=blank>cringing in fear.</a> And the panel is not the reason:


"Nearly two-thirds of respondents to an international poll sponsored by the British Broadcasting Corporation say they have an unfavorable opinion of George W. Bush. Asked who is the more dangerous to world peace and stability, the United States was rated higher than al-Qaida by respondents in both Jordan (71 percent) and Indonesia (66 percent).

Furthermore, America was rated more dangerous than two countries considered as "rogue states" by Washington.

The U.S. was rated more dangerous in the eleven-country survey than Iran -- by people in Jordan, Indonesia, Russia, South Korea and Brazil, and more dangerous than Syria -- by respondents in Canada, Brazil, France, Indonesia, Jordan, Russia, South Korea and the United Kingdom.

The countries rounding out the eleven include: Australia, Israel and the United States. The survey, conducted for the BBC by ICM and other international pollsters, gauged opinion towards U.S. military, economic, cultural and political influence."


You admit to being a Phillies fan?!?! :)
 

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Originally posted by: fjord
Let's not forget Reagan in this.

His administration's policies had a direct bearing on these events.
Carter's administration as well.
 

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Originally posted by: FrodoB
Originally posted by: Perknose
You're right. This panel is a real national embarrassment. The rest of the world must be laughing at us.
Uh, not laughing, more like cringing in fear. And the panel is not the reason: "Nearly two-thirds of respondents to an international poll sponsored by the British Broadcasting Corporation say they have an unfavorable opinion of George W. Bush. Asked who is the more dangerous to world peace and stability, the United States was rated higher than al-Qaida by respondents in both Jordan (71 percent) and Indonesia (66 percent). Furthermore, America was rated more dangerous than two countries considered as "rogue states" by Washington. The U.S. was rated more dangerous in the eleven-country survey than Iran -- by people in Jordan, Indonesia, Russia, South Korea and Brazil, and more dangerous than Syria -- by respondents in Canada, Brazil, France, Indonesia, Jordan, Russia, South Korea and the United Kingdom. The countries rounding out the eleven include: Australia, Israel and the United States. The survey, conducted for the BBC by ICM and other international pollsters, gauged opinion towards U.S. military, economic, cultural and political influence."
You admit to being a Phillies fan?!?! :)

Accross all the bullcrap that ALL of us dump into this great political divide, FrodoB, you just reached right through and tickled my funny bone. Well done. I salute you! :D
 

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Originally posted by: fjord
Let's not forget Reagan in this.

His administration's policies had a direct bearing on these events.
Carter's administration as well.

Yes, foreign policy follies.

Carter and Bush I bracket the key Reagan role.

For those seeking an answer to international terrorism: How about a sane American foreign policy--now that would be-- not only pre-emtive--but pro-active as well.
 

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and we see the typical dem response "that dont matter because...*insert change of subject here*"

regarding the poll on being the "most dangerous country", is so biased it is amazing thinking people actually take it seriously. then i realize the average liberal does not think rationally but emotionally and image is of more import to them than most things.

personally i think the next time europe needs saving from itself we should just let them die their death of imbecility.
 

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FrodoB:

That's a very poorly thought out and argued rationale in favor of Gorelick resigning. Why didn't he complain she was over 5' tall and in excess of 100 lbs? That brown hair certainly disqualifies her.

Sheezh, the merde that passes as analysis....

-Robert
 

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Originally posted by:perknose

"Nearly two-thirds of respondents to an international poll sponsored by the British Broadcasting Corporation say they have an unfavorable opinion of George W. Bush. Asked who is the more dangerous to world peace and stability, the United States was rated higher than al-Qaida by respondents in both Jordan (71 percent) and Indonesia (66 percent).

Furthermore, America was rated more dangerous than two countries considered as "rogue states" by Washington.

The U.S. was rated more dangerous in the eleven-country survey than Iran -- by people in Jordan, Indonesia, Russia, South Korea and Brazil, and more dangerous than Syria -- by respondents in Canada, Brazil, France, Indonesia, Jordan, Russia, South Korea and the United Kingdom.

The countries rounding out the eleven include: Australia, Israel and the United States. The survey, conducted for the BBC by ICM and other international pollsters, gauged opinion towards U.S. military, economic, cultural and political influence."

Cool, it's like the ultimate History lesson. Now we get to know and really feel the feeling like how the German people were hated by the world when they followed Hitler.

:cool: :beer:
 

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So, uhh, FrodoB, are you saying that the Admin was ignorant of the memo/policy when Bush appointed Gorelick to the panel, or that they put her in as a spoiler just in case it started to get a little warm? Which way is it?

It's easy enough for the cook to poison the stew, which is basically what you're saying happened...
 

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It Was unprecedented For Ashcroft To Do What He did. He purposely and Quitly Declassified a particular document on April 10, Never Gave it to the commision to examine, and used it to smear a member of the Commission after ther was So much Critical Talk about His Role in the Matters. A Scuzy Deflectionary method. It is an Attempt by him To Take Away for the Fact that Covering Up Boobies on a statue was more of a priority Than Terrorism to This Man.

Lets Face it, All the commissioners have Ties to the Government in recent years.

This Memo Ashcroft cited Was A minor Buerocratic document that Ashcroft Flauts as if it is the Word of God.


I quote From Cnn....



"Gorelick said in an interview on CNN she would not resign. She said the "wall" was part of a law in place since the mid-1980s.

Thomas Kean, the Republican chairman of the panel, dismissed Sensenbrenner's request as "silly," noting Gorelick had recused herself from everything related to her previous role in the government.

"She is in my mind, one of the finest members of the commission, one of the hardest-working members of the commission, and, by the way, one of the most nonpartisan and bipartisan members of the commission," Kean said. "So people ought to stay out of our business."

Commission Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton, a former Democratic congressman, noted the Bush administration had reaffirmed its support for the "wall." It was only dismantled when new legislation was passed after the September 11 attacks."



Cnn Link



The HYPOCRACY of the Republican to Give this Little Document SO much Credit, written By an underling REAFFIRMING a Past Law, A law That John ASHCROFT's Justice Department Later Reaffirmed, yet Wanting to Pay little or No attention to the Aug 6 PDB is Sickening.
 

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"She is in my mind, one of the finest members of the commission, one of the hardest-working members of the commission, and, by the way, one of the most nonpartisan and bipartisan members of the commission," Kean said. "So people ought to stay out of our business."

This is the funny part. Those morons cant keep thier mouths shut about anything. They release info continuously. Now its "people ought to stay out of "OUR" business. It seems to me that keeping Gorelick on the comission would be the same as having Reno on it. It's clearly a conflict of interest.
 

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Originally posted by: nutxo
"She is in my mind, one of the finest members of the commission, one of the hardest-working members of the commission, and, by the way, one of the most nonpartisan and bipartisan members of the commission," Kean said. "So people ought to stay out of our business."

This is the funny part. Those morons cant keep thier mouths shut about anything. They release info continuously. Now its "people ought to stay out of "OUR" business. It seems to me that keeping Gorelick on the comission would be the same as having Reno on it. It's clearly a conflict of interest.



About as clear As the Cheney and Scalia Hunting Trip.
 

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FYI the latest RNC talking points about the 9/11 commission is the the commissioners (especially the ones with the D - in front of thier names) are spending too much time on TV and in newspapers talking about their findings.

Oh, and for all the people asking Gorelick to step down due to her conflict of interest, surely you are asking the executive director of the commission, Philip Zelikow to step down as well, right?
 

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: nutxo
"She is in my mind, one of the finest members of the commission, one of the hardest-working members of the commission, and, by the way, one of the most nonpartisan and bipartisan members of the commission," Kean said. "So people ought to stay out of our business."

This is the funny part. Those morons cant keep thier mouths shut about anything. They release info continuously. Now its "people ought to stay out of "OUR" business. It seems to me that keeping Gorelick on the comission would be the same as having Reno on it. It's clearly a conflict of interest.



About as clear As the Cheney and Scalia Hunting Trip.


Yep. Kind of. I think a supreme court justice can be unbiased. But I certainly would'nt want to have a suspect sitting on a jury.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: jahawkin
FYI the latest RNC talking points about the 9/11 commission is the the commissioners (especially the ones with the D - in front of thier names) are spending too much time on TV and in newspapers talking about their findings.

Oh, and for all the people asking Gorelick to step down due to her conflict of interest, surely you are asking the executive director of the commission, Philip Zelikow to step down as well, right?

Of course they wouldn't...that wouldn't be "fair and balanced."
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: jahawkin
FYI the latest RNC talking points about the 9/11 commission is the the commissioners (especially the ones with the D - in front of thier names) are spending too much time on TV and in newspapers talking about their findings.

Oh, and for all the people asking Gorelick to step down due to her conflict of interest, surely you are asking the executive director of the commission, Philip Zelikow to step down as well, right?

Of course they wouldn't...that wouldn't be "fair and balanced."

Did anyone say that or is this just another " I have to bash republicans" kind of things?
 

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: jahawkin
FYI the latest RNC talking points about the 9/11 commission is the the commissioners (especially the ones with the D - in front of thier names) are spending too much time on TV and in newspapers talking about their findings.

Oh, and for all the people asking Gorelick to step down due to her conflict of interest, surely you are asking the executive director of the commission, Philip Zelikow to step down as well, right?

Of course they wouldn't...that wouldn't be "fair and balanced."

Did anyone say that or is this just another "Im pathetic so I have to bash republicans" kind of things?

Then tell me why the Republicans are clamoring for Gorelick to step down. You do realize Zelikow worked for Condoleezza Rice and wrote a book with her?
 

DealMonkey

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Here's my question: Do you think the 9/11 commission should have been formed? In other words, should we investigate one of the worst terror attacks on U.S. soil since Pearl Harbor?

If you answer "no" are you suggesting that we just write-off 9/11 as a "big mistake" and move on?

If you answer "yes" then how do you recommend the commission proceed to fully investigate the causes and effects of 9/11 and determine where our government failed us without distributing blame to those it deems are at fault?

Seems to me the root problem some have around here is that some blame is being leveled at Bush and his administration. Of course, Bush supporters as well as the administration will accept only NO blame and unfortunately there's where the disconnect lies. The commission is only accused of "playing politics" when it levels blame against the Bush adminstration. It's by no means singling out the administration as it's leveled blame all around. CIA, FBI, Clinton administration, etc.

I just want to point out the apparant double-standard I see around here quite a bit.