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GOP will take the Senate in 2014. But Does it matter w/o fillabuster proof majority?

JEDI

JEDI

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even the dems admit they will lose big in the 2014 senate races.

widely held prediction- gop:51 Dems:49 after the election

but does it matter?
the dems will fillabuster any batshit crazy gop bill (senate and House) that comes their way.

it'll be more of the same.. gridlock.

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filibuster?? Dems removed that last year. Reid is a f****** buffoon! Did he seriously think the democrats would hold power forever?
I'm a centrist thru and thru. He's now allowed any crazies from either party to pass garbage.
 
IamDavid said:
filibuster?? Dems removed that last year. Reid is a f****** buffoon! Did he seriously think the democrats would hold power forever?
I'm a centrist thru and thru. He's now allowed any crazies from either party to pass garbage.
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um no.. that was only for judges, I thought?
and it was removal of the insta-fillabuster.

ie: I say I'm going to fillabust so u back down.

now they have to do it the old fashion way.. talk on the senate floor till the opposition backs down or u give up due to exhaustion
 
When it's your team, it matters because it is a mandate to push agenda through.

When it's not your team, it doesn't matter because it's now not a mandate for their side to push agenda through.


It matters because if such happens, liberal commentators lose their anti-filibuster talking point, and now become pro-filibuster.
 
disclaimer: i don't mean to troll.


anyway, it doesn't matter. the GOP and Dems have been the same shitty rotten monopoly since the Second Wilsonian Democratic President who was no smarter than i am got elected. FDR is always going to be an incompetent retarded richard head like me.

IOW: The 14th Amendment centralized power, revenue, and wealth in the hands of the elite and those like me and Wall Street who do little more the recycle our own shit. So who in the fuck should care about elections after the 14th Amendment and the tradition it has forever instilled in the judiciary?

in case you didn't realize: i am pure 14th Amendment Evil and it destroyed the policy of majority rule concurrent with minority rights. and due to the 14th Amendment, there will never be majority rule (like there was with jackson, van buren and like there would've been with Samuel Tilden) and there will never be another President like Obama who leaves 1/2 up to the people. Like I've already said a million times, Obama has given close to one-half and my parents as well as too many others are too ignorant to accept it and take advantage of what they already have (get out of mortgage debt for example and to get half the rest of their cash into some good investments like beach front rental property). Obama increased the top marginal rate I imagine because he was trying to teach Neo-Republicans how to use their money; he was hoping they wouldn't be so compulsive. But if they can't be efficient, then I guess hillary clinton will crack down. Perhaps joe biden could be elected and the last president who would align so much with public opinion that it would turn into an-com bullshit.

And that PoS Rick Perry is like me and preventing Texans from seceding.

So just you Neo-Republican compulsive fuckheads and dickhead Democrats who don't understand that wealth is subjective... both of you fuckers WATCH IT when Democrat Jerry Brown allows CA voters to divide the god damned State he is actually governor of while Texans deal with Neo-Republican Rick Perry.

It doesn't matter how I vote because I am too stupid to be independent; I wasn't born with a free mind due to the capital sin from my dad (having a 3rd child not from his own race) and my mom's prenatal T that Satan gave us.

Please never forget that the GOP's red tape from 01-09 was too powerful to ever be fully ended by any government after '09.

I'm going on to bed now or I will try; I feel tired.
 
Does it matter? No. The same inaction by congress will exist.

Dems only wanted to keep the senate to maintain power and have a say in what bills are voted on.

If repubs win the senate all their crappy bills will be passed by both the house and the senate which Obama will veto. No problem for the repubs because for 2016 they will run on all the crappy ass bills they tried to pass (they'll have nice names like the "jobs for Americans act", or "enviornmental jobs act"), and will basically call Obama and the dems obstructionist and America haters.

Their playbook is old and tired but it works because most Americans are stupid when it comes to how our government works.
 
cubby1223 said:
When it's your team, it matters because it is a mandate to push agenda through.

When it's not your team, it doesn't matter because it's now not a mandate for their side to push agenda through.


It matters because if such happens, liberal commentators lose their anti-filibuster talking point, and now become pro-filibuster.
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I don't think they are pro-filibuster. Obama got veto till 2016, then it's mostly Republican Senators up for re-election, and whatever idiot they scrape up to run for president this time around.
 
Eliminate lobbyists. Otherwise, we get same old crappy government, funded by corps. While I'll admit that the GOP will probably take the senate and retain the house, what matters most is what WE THE PEOPLE get. I'm not very optimistic, to be frank.
 
ivwshane said:
Does it matter? No. The same inaction by congress will exist.

Dems only wanted to keep the senate to maintain power and have a say in what bills are voted on.

If repubs win the senate all their crappy bills will be passed by both the house and the senate which Obama will veto. No problem for the repubs because for 2016 they will run on all the crappy ass bills they tried to pass (they'll have nice names like the "jobs for Americans act", or "enviornmental jobs act"), and will basically call Obama and the dems obstructionist and America haters.

Their playbook is old and tired but it works because most Americans are stupid when it comes to how our government works.
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They both use the exact same play book. Regardless of who wins, I already know who's going to get hung out to dry.
 
JEDI said:
even the dems admit they will lose big in the 2014 senate races.

widely held prediction- gop:51 Dems:49 after the election

but does it matter?
the dems will fillabuster any batshit crazy gop bill (senate and House) that comes their way.

it'll be more of the same.. gridlock.

discuss
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Sort of like that batshit crazy Harry Reid asshole.
 
What laws you think the newly-majority GOP senate would pass when the new session begins?

My $0.02 goes to abortion. :biggrin:
 
compuwiz1 said:
Eliminate lobbyists. Otherwise, we get same old crappy government, funded by corps. While I'll admit that the GOP will probably take the senate and retain the house, what matters most is what WE THE PEOPLE get. I'm not very optimistic, to be frank.
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We the people get the government we deserve. If you get crappy government, that's what you deserve.
 
JEDI said:
GOP will take the Senate in 2014. But Does it matter w/o fillabuster proof majority?
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Harry Reid won't be able to block votes, Democrats would actually have to go on record on the 350+ items that they've prevented from reaching the Senate floor. Having to cast votes makes a difference.

But no, without a 60%+ Super Majority, the government does not function.
 
Yes, it matters.

Republicans will attach an amendment to defund Obamacare to every single bill, including the budget, and Obama will have to veto all of them, which will make another government shutdown unavoidable.
 
khon said:
Yes, it matters.

Republicans will attach an amendment to defund Obamacare to every single bill, including the budget, and Obama will have to veto all of them, which will make another government shutdown unavoidable.
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Sounds like a plan that fits right in with what the Repub "Party of NO" publicly stated the day Obama took office, or even before he took office.
 
senseamp said:
I don't think they are pro-filibuster. Obama got veto till 2016, then it's mostly Republican Senators up for re-election, and whatever idiot they scrape up to run for president this time around.
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The Democrats are certainly pro-filibuster.

The current Republicans hold the record for most filibusters. Before them, the Democrats of the immediately preceding years held the record for most filibusters. Before them, the Republicans of the immediately preceding years held the record for the most filibusters. Before them, the Democrats of the immediately preceding years...

Personally I don't see what the big deal is with the filibuster. You need 60 votes to pass something in the Senate. You either have support from 60 Senators or you don't. I don't want to see Republicans passing legislation with no Democrat support any more than Democrats passing legislation with no Republican support.
 
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As for the "takeover", quote quote, there are two things that are not going to happen no way no how, regardless.

#1, Obamacare will NOT be repealed.
#2, The national minimum wage will NOT get a raise.

And in 2016 Hillary will get elected, the senate will most likely revert back to the democrats, and what happens after that only Bill Clinton knows.

So in short, even with a republican senate takeover, most republicans will find themselves quite pissed and disillusioned when Obamacare survives, and more states allow same sex marriages.
So I say bring on those frustrated, disillusioned republicans.
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With Obama in the white house, I don't think it really matters if they repubs have a majority in the senate or not when it comes to legislation (he'll veto anything he doesn't like anyway). The one place I could see it making a major difference is in the ability of the president to get nominees and appointments through for judicial and executive positions.

I don't think it's going to happen though, I think the democrats will retain the majority, 52-48.
 
compuwiz1 said:
Eliminate lobbyists. Otherwise, we get same old crappy government, funded by corps. While I'll admit that the GOP will probably take the senate and retain the house, what matters most is what WE THE PEOPLE get. I'm not very optimistic, to be frank.
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I don't think you can limit the public's right to have access to the government. You may not like lobbyists, but the same freedom which grants them access to government grants it to you as well. We really don't want to start restricting this.
 
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