GOP Votes for Spending Boondoggle

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Lifer
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It may not be that much in the scheme of things, but half a billion is half a billion.

Any unnecessary spending is bad and should be called out. But really... $500 million will not even touch the $120 billion is deficit spending that is going on everymonth.

Where is your outrage at that? (See what the lefties started).
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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The author of the article did include the following:

"Neither party comes out looking good"

The title is accurate, but a more precise title would've been: "Republicans and Democrats Voted Equally in Favor of Spending Boondoggle".

The title and article is bunk. The author discredits himself by failing to mention 50% of the nays are democrat. I'd love to know who added this funding to the bill in the first place.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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The title and article is bunk. The author discredits himself by failing to mention 50% of the nays are democrat. I'd love to know who added this funding to the bill in the first place.

Why is the article bunk? What exactly is wrong with its substance?

It's not bunk to call out the supposed "crusaders against government spending"... of which John Boehner and Eric Cantor consider themselves... as being hypocrites.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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Any unnecessary spending is bad and should be called out. But really... $500 million will not even touch the $120 billion is deficit spending that is going on everymonth.

Where is your outrage at that? (See what the lefties started).

If you expect to see outrage over unnecessary spending, don't minimize or trivialize it yourself.. as you did by saying the $500 million is just a drop in the bucket.
 

Genx87

Lifer
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Why is the article bunk? What exactly is wrong with its substance?

It's not bunk to call out the supposed "crusaders against government spending"... of which John Boehner and Eric Cantor consider themselves... as being hypocrites.

It put the entire weight of the failing to pass this on the GOP. When it was clearly a bipartisan effort.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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It put the entire weight of the failing to pass this on the GOP. When it was clearly a bipartisan effort.

More than twice as many Democrats (137) as Republicans (56) voted to remove the earmark.

.. and more Democrats voted to remove it than voted to keep it.
 

MotF Bane

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Dec 22, 2006
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Any unnecessary spending is bad and should be called out. But really... $500 million will not even touch the $120 billion is deficit spending that is going on everymonth.

Where is your outrage at that? (See what the lefties started).

You have to start somewhere.
 

Genx87

Lifer
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More than twice as many Democrats (137) as Republicans (56) voted to remove the earmark.

.. and more Democrats voted to remove it than voted to keep it.

It didnt pass now did it? 50% of the nays were Democrat. Because this failed the emphasis is on who voted against it. How can a vote that is split 50\50 fall solely on one party?
 

MotF Bane

No Lifer
Dec 22, 2006
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More than twice as many Democrats (137) as Republicans (56) voted to remove the earmark.

.. and more Democrats voted to remove it than voted to keep it.

Yes, but the nays were still balanced, and that CNN piece is absolutely garbage.
 

MotF Bane

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Why is the article bunk? What exactly is wrong with its substance?

It's not bunk to call out the supposed "crusaders against government spending"... of which John Boehner and Eric Cantor consider themselves... as being hypocrites.

The problem with the article is how much he screams about it being the GOP's fault, and significantly underplays the Democrat involvement.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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It didnt pass now did it? 50% of the nays were Democrat. Because this failed the emphasis is on who voted against it. How can a vote that is split 50\50 fall solely on one party?

More Democrats than Republicans wanted this earmark removed, and for a party so enraged by government spending, as the GOP is, that's the bigger story, and probably why the author of the article highlighted the GOP.
 

Acanthus

Lifer
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While I do not condone earmarks of any kind for anyone from any party, this is yet again typical liberal tactics: bitch about something insignificant to maintain the illusion of fiscal responsibility to the masses who are too stupid to realize that $500,000,000 is nothing to a government with a debt of $13,000,000,000,000.

Also, no rational person believes that most current RINOs have any leanings at all toward true fiscal conservatism. The Dems and Repubs in the legislature now are two peas in a very liberal pod.

lolwat. Our democrats are the most right "liberal" party on earth.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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The problem with the article is how much he screams about it being the GOP's fault, and significantly underplays the Democrat involvement.

What's more significant? Democrats being Democrats or Republicans being Democrats?
 

Genx87

Lifer
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More Democrats than Republicans wanted this earmark removed, and for a party so enraged by government spending, as the GOP is, that's the bigger story, and probably why the author of the article highlighted the GOP.

The guy is a partisan hack is why he highlighted and placed the blame on the GOP. The measure failed, who voted for it failing is relevant. Democrats were 50% of the reason why it failed.
 

Throckmorton

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So 2 out of 178 republicans and that is enough to pin this vote on the GOP?




So it is ok to assume a democrat added the earmark and the vote was 91 Republicans voted against stripping of the earmark?

This article has so much fail without more information.

I don't think you get it... The point is the HYPOCRISY. HYPOCRISY
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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The guy is a partisan hack is why he highlighted and placed the blame on the GOP. The measure failed, who voted for it failing is relevant. Democrats were 50% of the reason why it failed.

The votes for passing it are relevant too.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
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What's more significant? Democrats being Democrats or Republicans being Democrats?

They're both out-of-control spendaholics. What is the difference these days besides minor squabbles over social policies designed to make people think they are different?
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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They're both out-of-control spendaholics. What is the difference these days besides minor squabbles over social policies designed to make people think they are different?

True. One party, though, is supposed to be the less-wasteful-spending party.
 

nonlnear

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You're making conclusions not supported in the article.
That article doesn't support any conclusion except that the author is a douchenozzle.
Critics point out that crony capitalism can't create a true free market in the defense industry -- it's the equivalent of diet hucksters who claim you can eat yourself fitter. This is about money: pork barrel politics hiding under the noble banner of national defense.
With this assertion, the author advertises his ignorance of the GE F110/PW F100 dual engine program for the F-16 which was very successful and brought the long term costs down by orders of magnitude more than the development costs of the F110 engine. (This is not an obscure reference either. The parallels between the F-16 and the JSF are obvious to anyone who has a clue about how the JSF will be deployed.) Now every program is different and I am not saying that the JSF necessarily needs another engine, but statements like this serve to instantly position the author a couple steps outside the maximum radius of sanity and reason. Not only is it a straw man argument, when the intentionally false "free market" verbiage is toned down to "more competitive" the claim falls flat on its face - at least as a universal assertion (which is precisely how it's formulated, so it's not like I am misrepresenting it here). Developing multiple suppliers often can reduce long term costs A LOT. Not always, but often. The market needs to be large enough, service life of the product has to be long enough to allow market forces to work, and oversight needs to be in place to keep pricing transparent, but these things can be done.

The JSF engine program might be a bad fit for a competing engine. I don't know, and I definitely don't take secretary Gates' opinion lightly. However I DEFINITELY do not take at face value anyone who derides such a program based on the up front cost of the development earmarks without doing a detailed projection of the total JSF fleet costs for the next 40 years or more. That's a bit of real journalism that seems a bit above the pay grade of this particular CNN hack.

The article becomes even more bizarre by extrapolating from one earmark ridiculous abstractions about the character of politics in DC. The problem is the ENTIRE DEFENSE budget. It's too fvcking huge. It is utterly laughable to have fake lefty columnists inciting rage at one earmark which is a drop in the bucket. For anyone who claims to be against the corruption of the military industrial complex, it is columnists like this one who are the biggest impediment to any real progress. By diverting public attention from the elephant in the room they are actually helping to support it, despite claiming with all their fake fervor to be battling against it.
 
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