But of course, you don't have a problem with the outright lie from the OP about what would otherwise be a complete non-issue, even if it were as the OP presented it.
But of course, you don't have a problem with the outright lie from the OP about what would otherwise be a complete non-issue, even if it were as the OP presented it.
Very well.
Be prepared to get a lot of opinion from me. I will stay away from gratuitous insults. I will use them if I believe that the thread has drifted in that direction. Salt keeps it real.
You can be sure that you will not get knowingly false information posted by me. I don?t need it to bring the Conservative view to light.
At first blush, it appears that I am well in the minority here. That?s not a problem for me.
Be prepared to get a lot of opinion from me. I will stay away from gratuitous insults. I will use them if I believe that the thread has drifted in that direction. Salt keeps it real.
You can be sure that you will not get knowingly false information posted by me. I don?t need it to bring the Conservative view to light.
At first blush, it appears that I am well in the minority here. That?s not a problem for me.
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Welcome Mr. Julius. I am a Paleoconservative (Small Gov't, Strong Defense-oriented military, leave people alone, stay out of social affairs). You will find lots and lots of trolls here on both sides, and some genuine thinkers as well. I recommend staying out of arguments with idiots, as the observer may become confused as to who is the idiot.
Some good thinking conservatives off the top of my head here : JD50, BlackAngst, PaleHorse .. and some others that escape my mind at the moment. LegendKiller is a great mind as well, if a bit overbearing at times (can't blame him entirely due to our company here).
Tons of smart liberals here as well, Vic (he may hesitate to my categorizing him as such, which is fair, I wouldn't place him very far from my own views at all, but he is more anti-GOP than anti-Dem as far as I can tell), LemonLaw, JEDI, Perk, and lots of others that escape my mind at the moment.
At the same time, you'll find nutbags galore (Butterbean), and devout partisans on both sides of the aisle who will NEVER cede a point which proves wrongdoing on their or their parties fault, and likewise NEVER cede a point which gives credit to the opposition party. These folks will constantly spam threads to bash the other side, or occasionally you will see a rah-rah thread cheering one of their own. Winnar111, Harvey, and countless others are legion in this manner. Not all (or even most) of these folks are stupid. But they are invariably stubborn, and their partisanship makes for a dim, short-sighted world view.
And that's the lowdown on AT P&N. The cool thing is that if you're patient and you look to engage bright minds that are capable of reasoned debate, you can often find an enlightened dialogue that can even increase your own understanding or perhaps even change your mind on an issue or two. Sink or swim.
Best of luck.
Some good thinking conservatives off the top of my head here : JD50, BlackAngst, PaleHorse .. and some others that escape my mind at the moment. LegendKiller is a great mind as well, if a bit overbearing at times (can't blame him entirely due to our company here).
Tons of smart liberals here as well, Vic (he may hesitate to my categorizing him as such, which is fair, I wouldn't place him very far from my own views at all, but he is more anti-GOP than anti-Dem as far as I can tell), LemonLaw, JEDI, Perk, and lots of others that escape my mind at the moment.
At the same time, you'll find nutbags galore (Butterbean), and devout partisans on both sides of the aisle who will NEVER cede a point which proves wrongdoing on their or their parties fault, and likewise NEVER cede a point which gives credit to the opposition party. These folks will constantly spam threads to bash the other side, or occasionally you will see a rah-rah thread cheering one of their own. Winnar111, Harvey, and countless others are legion in this manner. Not all (or even most) of these folks are stupid. But they are invariably stubborn, and their partisanship makes for a dim, short-sighted world view.
And that's the lowdown on AT P&N. The cool thing is that if you're patient and you look to engage bright minds that are capable of reasoned debate, you can often find an enlightened dialogue that can even increase your own understanding or perhaps even change your mind on an issue or two. Sink or swim.
Best of luck.Where did I say that? I agree that the OP's direct statement that the "GOP told cops to hold off on arrest until after election" isn't supported by the article. He would be right if all he said was that the facts, including the officer's statement that excution of the search warrant was delayed during Palin's candicacy and her close relationship with Sherry Johnston raise a reasonable question about possible political influence
Julius Shark's references to Caroline and Ted Kenedy were irrelevant and immaterial to the discussion.
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Lifer
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Well well well, some of us will quiver in our beds with the advent of the Julius Shark era on P&N. " Thank you. I hope that we are welcome here. I like to joust with people of strong opinion and who are not afraid of a highly disciplined and knowledgeable Conservative. I am not a peach faced undergrad still searching and impressionable. I have been exposed to the ?coin of the realm?, Liberalism promoted by academe, and I reject it.
Pardon me, Julius, but that type of statement effectively sums up the position the average forum troll, what ever their political leanings are.
Lets see, you like to advocate your position, joust, is all well and fine.
Then you self proclaim yourself " a highly disciplined and knowledgeable Conservative.", somewhat a arrogant statement and something people other than you may or may not come away with as an impression.
And given the timbre of your posts, something that is not yet in evidence, as you seem very long on bluster but woefully short of any logical basis for your conclusions.
And we have all been exposed to liberal brain farts that failed but the main author of our current woes is conservative brainfarts that not also failed, but failed in a more spectacular manner. And pardon if I observe as my opinion, when things fail, they do not fail because they are liberal or conservative, they fail because they are poorly reasoned, poorly implemented, and a for a large number of other reasons.
And if you Julius Shark want to contribute on this forum, I suggest you start with some logic and reasoning while losing your political buzz lines. Or there will be many people on this forum using logic to debunk your every post. Using political buzz words is either the sure sign of immaturity or someone who never grew up into a fully functional rational adult.
Pardon me, Julius, but that type of statement effectively sums up the position the average forum troll, what ever their political leanings are.
Lets see, you like to advocate your position, joust, is all well and fine.
Then you self proclaim yourself " a highly disciplined and knowledgeable Conservative.", somewhat a arrogant statement and something people other than you may or may not come away with as an impression.
And given the timbre of your posts, something that is not yet in evidence, as you seem very long on bluster but woefully short of any logical basis for your conclusions.
And we have all been exposed to liberal brain farts that failed but the main author of our current woes is conservative brainfarts that not also failed, but failed in a more spectacular manner. And pardon if I observe as my opinion, when things fail, they do not fail because they are liberal or conservative, they fail because they are poorly reasoned, poorly implemented, and a for a large number of other reasons.
And if you Julius Shark want to contribute on this forum, I suggest you start with some logic and reasoning while losing your political buzz lines. Or there will be many people on this forum using logic to debunk your every post. Using political buzz words is either the sure sign of immaturity or someone who never grew up into a fully functional rational adult.
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Lifer
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Possibly, perhaps even probably.
But, the situation is rare and unusual. How relevant was this woman to the Secret Service? She's not even a blood relative or in-law of Sarah Palin.
It could well be that this was intentionally nerfed until post-election, as I wouldn't imagine the Secret Service would impede prosecution against such a irrelevant person.
Who knows, and mostly, who cares.
The fact of the matter is Sherry Johnson NEVER WAS NEVER ACTUALLY UNDER SECRET SERVICE PROTECTION.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/crime/story/633751.html
(The only time that claim could be considered to possibly be accurate is when Sherry Johnson was physically with Sarah Palin, and obviously they could extremely easily pick another time to do the arrest. Its not like Sherry Johnson was selling the Oxycotin literally while standing next to Sarah Palin either.)
Even the Alaska State troopers have acknowledged they were probably wrong about that detail already.
The idea state troopers couldn't be bothered to find this out strikes me as extremely odd. If the Alaska State Police did this completely on their own its one thing, but if someone associated with Sarah Palin pressured them to hold off in any way this is a huge scandal.
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Lifer
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Ok, I admit I took the OP's word for that Sherry Johnston received any secret service protection.
But the other logical fallacy is in saying, but if someone associated with Sarah Palin pressured them to hold off in any way this is a huge scandal.
There is nothing wrong with maybe having that suspicion, but there is something wrong and irresponsible with articulating it without an iota of proof to support the allegation.
Just because someone accuses GWB or anyone, insert name here----------------------, of being a space alien from the Star Xquel is just more unsupported noise without some proof.
But the other logical fallacy is in saying, but if someone associated with Sarah Palin pressured them to hold off in any way this is a huge scandal.
There is nothing wrong with maybe having that suspicion, but there is something wrong and irresponsible with articulating it without an iota of proof to support the allegation.
Just because someone accuses GWB or anyone, insert name here----------------------, of being a space alien from the Star Xquel is just more unsupported noise without some proof.
You don't know whether or not there's any connection. So far, it's just circumstantial, but Democrats weren't the ones with the motive to suppress serving the warrants and to keep Palin's drug dealing soon to be inlaw out of the media. :roll:
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Lifer
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The key non Prof John line in the above post is, " I know that the thread title is total BS without any basis in reality as presented in the article the OP linked too. "
Just another usually defective opinion of non Prof John, in this case I happen to agree with you, but if you want to have any credibility on this forum, the onus is on you to support your conclusion with logic.
Once again, sad to say, non Prof John failed to use logic.
Just another usually defective opinion of non Prof John, in this case I happen to agree with you, but if you want to have any credibility on this forum, the onus is on you to support your conclusion with logic.
Once again, sad to say, non Prof John failed to use logic.
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Lifer
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Oh yes, I am starting to love guilt by association, lets link GWB with his grandaddy Prescott Bush, a certified Nazi sympathizer and quite arguable a traitor to the USA. Lets not forget princess Caroline, not only tainted by the mistakes of her Uncle Ted, but lets go back to her Grand daddy, Uncle Joe, or her great grand daddy Honey Fritz, an old style Irish political machine politician.
So much fun, I am loving it, lets go way back to Adam and Eve, and the fact that Cain slew Able so we can all share the collective guilt. Lets not forget Eve who swallowed the Apple, damn we sure can't trust females, can we?
I am also so thrilled to learn Strom Thurmon, Dick Cheney, and Barack Obama share some of the same common ancestors, and my family is free of that taint, so please, all of you true Americans, join me in the witch hunts to come as we exterminate all who have are descended from rascals. Lets kill Beethoven while we are at it.
Trust me, I have some Scandinavian blood and am probably descended from some Viking, when we went forth to rape, pillage, and loot, we were honest, and did not try to give some bullshit justification that it all for the victim's benefit.
So much fun, I am loving it, lets go way back to Adam and Eve, and the fact that Cain slew Able so we can all share the collective guilt. Lets not forget Eve who swallowed the Apple, damn we sure can't trust females, can we?
I am also so thrilled to learn Strom Thurmon, Dick Cheney, and Barack Obama share some of the same common ancestors, and my family is free of that taint, so please, all of you true Americans, join me in the witch hunts to come as we exterminate all who have are descended from rascals. Lets kill Beethoven while we are at it.
Trust me, I have some Scandinavian blood and am probably descended from some Viking, when we went forth to rape, pillage, and loot, we were honest, and did not try to give some bullshit justification that it all for the victim's benefit.
I would like proof you are indeed a Lemon Law - Otherwise I will refer to use as non Lemon Law from now on..
You're just being extremely weird about this issue to put it mildly.
There is certainly nothing wrong with what I said and its disturbing you would say I'm not allowed to even suggest that possibility of such a thing occurring. I noted that it would not be the same issue if it was the police deciding this on their own and the other explanation was just a possibility. It should also be clear I'm merely mentioning the possibility that someone associated with Palin did this, and not that Palin herself was necessarily actually aware of the situation.
The reality is this situation is at a minimum extremely strange because the Alaska State Police actually had legitimate reasons to be aware of whether Sherri Johnson was under Secret Service protection or not without even mentioning the criminal investigation to the Secret Service. For instance, if the state police know the Secret Service is providing constant protection for Sherri Johnson's family, they basically know they don't have to waste their time investigating if someone in the neighborhood calls to report a strange man with a gun hanging around next to Sherri Johnson's house. Another pretty major issue is having an idea who the Secret Service is protecting gives the Alaska State Troopers an idea if they may need to immediately deploy troopers to provide protection if a threat is made against Sherri Johnson instead of just alerting the Secret Service. If the whole Palin family is not in Wasilla at the time, the Secret Service may not have the manpower to cover the Sherri Johnson family still in the area, and its best the troopers immediately know that and react. Awareness of the general protection situation also potentially helps coordinate things if the Secret Service asks for backup for any reason.
Basically because its so odd that the Alaska State Police were not actually aware of the details of this situation, its fair to merely ask about the possibility political interference played a role in the behavior of the police regarding this matter.
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Go right ahead, call me non lemon Law if it trips your trigger, I just point out I claim no automatic credibility by the choice of a random name like Lemon Law. After all, how much automatic credibility does a Lemon have?
But I grew up in an academic environment, when Prof John claims the moniker of a Professor, its just deeply offends me, as I say, I grew up in a university environment, and even if someone like Non Prof John argued the same opinions to collages that supported his end conclusions, he would still be ridiculed out of town without any hope of tenure for his failure to honestly argue his opinions.
Believe me, I know Professors, and non Prof John is no Professor.
And if you ask non Prof John, you will discover I am right.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
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