GOP told cops to hold off on arrest until after election

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

What's your point? A few posts took the OP's statement at face value, but even most of the Dems and libs in this thread agree that it was over-reaching to assume it was due to Republican influence. That said, the last paragraph in the article at the OP's link says:

The trooper's affidavit indicates that Sarah Palin's candidacy factored into the investigation, with state officials delaying execution of a search warrant until this month, when Johnston was "no longer under the protection or surveillance of the Secret Service."

That still raises reasonable questions of why it was delayed and who stood to benefit? It isn't hard to surmise that it wasn't Democrats.

With the amount of criminal activity the democrats seem to be participating in lately - I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion.

Irrelevant. The fact that there are criminal Democrats doesn't mean anything in this case. We agree that nothing in the trooper's statement links the delay in serving the warrants to Republicans.

The point is only that, in THIS CASE, the delay could only serve the interests of Sarah Palin, who, last time I checked, was a Republican candidate. Look as hard as you want at any Democrats you believe have committed crimes, and post a thread about what you find. It just doesn't happen to relate to this topic.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Julius Shark

On the other hand, its somewhat healthy to have the suspicion that this indeed happened and there was some GOP skullduggery here. - Lemon law

Very nice.

I think I?ll use that same standard when assessing accusations against Liberal Democrats.

My catalog of standards is growing by leaps and bounds.

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Granted I said it badly, I should have said its somewhat healthy to have that suspicion that there May have been some GOP skullduggery here.

And Julius, you should have that coequal result to right to suspect democratic skullduggery MAY be present.

The point being, may is a long way from an established and proven case, so I strongly suggest you do what I did in the latter part of the thread you quoted,
suggest ways the may question can be definitively answered, and also admit the question may never be answered.

And if the may question can't be answered, its irrational to (1) endless harp on beating a dead horse. (2) Or acting as if the may question is resolved in your favor
when its not.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

What's your point? A few posts took the OP's statement at face value, but even most of the Dems and libs in this thread agree that it was over-reaching to assume it was due to Republican influence. That said, the last paragraph in the article at the OP's link says:

The trooper's affidavit indicates that Sarah Palin's candidacy factored into the investigation, with state officials delaying execution of a search warrant until this month, when Johnston was "no longer under the protection or surveillance of the Secret Service."

That still raises reasonable questions of why it was delayed and who stood to benefit? It isn't hard to surmise that it wasn't Democrats.

With the amount of criminal activity the democrats seem to be participating in lately - I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion.

Irrelevant. The fact that there are criminal Democrats doesn't mean anything in this case. We agree that nothing in the trooper's statement links the delay in serving the warrants to Republicans.

The point is only that, in THIS CASE, the delay could only serve the interests of Sarah Palin, who, last time I checked, was a Republican candidate. Look as hard as you want at any Democrats you believe have committed crimes, and post a thread about what you find. It just doesn't happen to relate to this topic.

You guys would ban me for all the topics I had to create if I started one on every corrupt democrat. :laugh:

 

[Red Dawn]

I wonder if Mother Palin is still going to force Levi to marry her daughter? Can you picture the family get together's with the Inlaws? Hell maybe her ex BIL can go too. Sounds like it would make for a good Reality Show. "The Wasibillies"

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I'm not sure what college you went to, but no professor at any school that's even approaching decent has anything less than a Ph.D. I'm not sure how you didn't know this... but it doesn't speak well for your argument. As for your Ayers and Ward Churchill tangent, what the hell are you talking about? He was referring to academic standards of argument and evidence and you responded with "but but but these guys were BAD PEOPLE".
All your post basically is, is a cut and paste of the standard right wing, Rush Limbaugh rant against academia. It's no more true when you say it than when that moron does.

Rush Limbaugh is NOT an moron.

He just plays one on the radio.

True enough.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: fixeduser
Feralkid is still here despite having 2 accounts.

True enough.

 

[Lemon law]

When we inject Rush Limbaugh into the quite possibly dubious question of GOP skullduggery in the lack of the immediate arrest of Sherry Johnston, its just more of a simple equation. Bullshit plus more bullshit still adds up to bullshit, and as we collectively decry being buried in bullshit, no one seems to notice that what is being murdered is simple logic.

I still do not call Rush non Rush, even if he somewhat laughingly tries to peddle degrees in "advanced conservative studies", as well as a line of overpriced merchandise, but no matter what the debate, if we cannot share the mutual currencies of logic, no question on earth can be resolved.

Or more importantly, no stupidity can be avoided. There is no shortage of stupidity peddlers, and if we cannot use the currency of logic to avoid it, there is always that other currency of results, and be it resolved, our fantasy, Cato, was to believe illogical idiots, and we are all now up shit creek as a result because too many bought into really bad logic.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So has anyone yet found the link to the GOP in all this like the OP and some others are claiming(or just blindly accepting the premise)?

What's your point? A few posts took the OP's statement at face value, but even most of the Dems and libs in this thread agree that it was over-reaching to assume it was due to Republican influence. That said, the last paragraph in the article at the OP's link says:

The trooper's affidavit indicates that Sarah Palin's candidacy factored into the investigation, with state officials delaying execution of a search warrant until this month, when Johnston was "no longer under the protection or surveillance of the Secret Service."

That still raises reasonable questions of why it was delayed and who stood to benefit? It isn't hard to surmise that it wasn't Democrats.

It could have been for non-political reasons, as explicitly stated in the article. :Q

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So has anyone yet found the link to the GOP in all this like the OP and some others are claiming(or just blindly accepting the premise)?

What's your point? A few posts took the OP's statement at face value, but even most of the Dems and libs in this thread agree that it was over-reaching to assume it was due to Republican influence. That said, the last paragraph in the article at the OP's link says:

The trooper's affidavit indicates that Sarah Palin's candidacy factored into the investigation, with state officials delaying execution of a search warrant until this month, when Johnston was "no longer under the protection or surveillance of the Secret Service."

That still raises reasonable questions of why it was delayed and who stood to benefit? It isn't hard to surmise that it wasn't Democrats.

It could have been for non-political reasons, as explicitly stated in the article. :Q

That's what I said in my reply to CAD. The trooper's affidavit is not proof that any Republican tried to influence or delay the investigation or to minimize its impact on the election. However, it does raise reasonable questions, simply because the execution of the search warrant was, in fact, delayed, and the target of the investigation is someone very close to a high profile candidate in a highly charged political election.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

So has anyone yet found the link to the GOP in all this like the OP and some others are claiming(or just blindly accepting the premise)?

What's your point? A few posts took the OP's statement at face value, but even most of the Dems and libs in this thread agree that it was over-reaching to assume it was due to Republican influence. That said, the last paragraph in the article at the OP's link says:

The trooper's affidavit indicates that Sarah Palin's candidacy factored into the investigation, with state officials delaying execution of a search warrant until this month, when Johnston was "no longer under the protection or surveillance of the Secret Service."

That still raises reasonable questions of why it was delayed and who stood to benefit? It isn't hard to surmise that it wasn't Democrats.

It could have been for non-political reasons, as explicitly stated in the article. :Q

The reason stated in the article is clearly bull shit. Based on the simple fact that if old man McCain had one she would still be under Secret Service protection.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
OxyContin is going to start being known as the Republican drug of choice

Yep, Repubs need to take some lessons from the dems as their drug of choice is cocaine

 

[kyle xy]

I agree that both sides of the political aisle are corrupt...it seems you can't make it anywhere major in politics without associating with less than reputable people or even getting your hands dirty yourself. Therefore I think it is a waste of breath to continue pointing fingers at the opposing party's miscreants.

That said I would just like to provide something to think about to provide a bit of balance. When Fitzgerald moved in on Blagojevich for allegedly trying to sell the vacant Senate seat why did he arrest him before any crime was actually committed (yes I know conspiracy can be a crime but I mean if they were monitoring all communications surely they could have laid a more damaging trap.)? It seems (to me and I could be wrong) that it is awfully convenient that they moved in and arrested him when they only had hard evidence of Blago and his chief of staff. Why not wait until one of the candidates steps up and agrees to pay what Blagojevich wanted? Also why did Fitzgerald immediately hold a press conference and display his evidence and all but announce Blagojevich's guilt? Kind of hard to find impartial jurors now huh?

Anyway sorry if I took this off topic and I am sure I will get reamed for "interpreting" this all wrong but that is how I see it.

 

[Aegeon]

It looks like the OP mostly merely jumped the gun and we now have direct confirmation from a Mat-Su drug investigator and the Alaska State Troopers Union that an arrest in the case was delayed due to political pressure.

A Mat-Su drug investigator and the union representing Alaska State Troopers are alleging political meddling in the Sherry Johnston drug case, including a delay in serving the search warrant because of the November election...

Kyle Young, a troopers drug investigator who was involved in the case, wrote in an e-mail last week to all members of the Public Safety Employees Association, the union that represents troopers and other law enforcement officers around the state.

Young wrote that after it became clear who Johnston is, "this case became anything but normal."

"It was not allowed to progress in a normal fashion, the search warrant service WAS delayed because of the pending election and the Mat Su Drug Unit and the case officer were not the ones calling the shots," Young wrote.

Sherry Johnston was arrested Dec. 18 on charges of selling the prescription painkiller OxyContin, the same day the warrant was served.

Young, speaking through union officials, declined to comment for this story. But John Cyr, executive director of the union, said it's clear to him that the investigation was handled differently because of who Johnston is.

"This really does smack of political favoritism. And if that be the case, it's another example of the Palin administration's direct influence on the public safety unit," Cyr said...

Cyr said the union is confident Young's version of what happened is true. That's because the union verified it in discussions "with the entire drug unit, with all of our members," he said.

He said the people the union president spoke with included the case officer for the Johnston investigation, Donna Anthony. She works on the Mat-Su drug unit but is a member of the Palmer police force, which is not part of the union.

http://www.adn.com/front/story/641997.html

 

[Lemon law]

Good find Aegeon.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Good find Aegeon.

You're pathetic if you think that propaganda article was a "good find".

Show me the WMD's. I want proof not pollyanna,

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Good find Aegeon.

You're pathetic if you think that propaganda article was a "good find".

Show me the WMD's. I want proof not pollyanna,

Awwwww hit a nerve eh?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Good find Aegeon.

You're pathetic if you think that propaganda article was a "good find".

adn.com is the site for the Anchorage Daily News, the most widely read newspaper in Alaska, and the story is published as a news article, not an opinion piece.

There's no smoking gun in the article, but the allegations further support reasonable suspicion of POSSIBLE improperiety in the way the case was handled. If you want to label it as "propaganda," it's on you to prove your allegation.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Good find Aegeon.

You're pathetic if you think that propaganda article was a "good find".

adn.com is the site for the Anchorage Daily News, the most widely read newspaper in Alaska, and the story is published as a news article, not an opinion piece.

There's no smoking gun in the article, but the allegations further support reasonable suspicion of POSSIBLE improperiety in the way the case was handled. If you want to label it as "propaganda," it's on you to prove your allegation.

"GOP told cops" still not supported even by stretching the definition of "reasonable suspicion".

 

[Lemon law]

Cad is thus far correct in stating, "GOP told cops" still not supported even by stretching the definition of "reasonable suspicion"., because the higher ups delaying the arrest were no specifically named in the
link.

But with pending ethic investigations regarding Palin conduct, when the Alaska legislature reconvenes for 2009, ethics questions regarding troopergate and other matters are very likely to proceed, which may well be a forum and a venue to ask exactly such questions under oath, so that the truth, what ever it happens to be, can come out.

But without a forum and venue, getting to the truth may have other wise required a special prosecutor.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Harvey

adn.com is the site for the Anchorage Daily News, the most widely read newspaper in Alaska, and the story is published as a news article, not an opinion piece.

There's no smoking gun in the article, but the allegations further support reasonable suspicion of POSSIBLE improperiety in the way the case was handled. If you want to label it as "propaganda," it's on you to prove your allegation.

"GOP told cops" still not supported even by stretching the definition of "reasonable suspicion".

CAD -- Slow down. The original story reports that a State Trooper, a law enforcement official reports that service of the arrest warrant was delayed because of political considerations surrounding Palin's candidacy. The story at Aegeon's link in a reputable newspaper, the Anchorage Daily News descirbes further reports of the same thing.

None of that is conclusive proof of any wrongdoing by the GOP or Palin, and if you'll read my posts in this thread, that's what I've said. However, the reports are from sources that are sufficiently credible that they should be investigated.

As a conservative who supports "law and order," would you have the appropriate authorities ignore them?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Harvey

adn.com is the site for the Anchorage Daily News, the most widely read newspaper in Alaska, and the story is published as a news article, not an opinion piece.

There's no smoking gun in the article, but the allegations further support reasonable suspicion of POSSIBLE improperiety in the way the case was handled. If you want to label it as "propaganda," it's on you to prove your allegation.

"GOP told cops" still not supported even by stretching the definition of "reasonable suspicion".

CAD -- Slow down. The original story reports that a State Trooper, a law enforcement official reports that service of the arrest warrant was delayed because of political considerations surrounding Palin's candidacy. The story at Aegeon's link in a reputable newspaper, the Anchorage Daily News descirbes further reports of the same thing.

None of that is conclusive proof of any wrongdoing by the GOP or Palin, and if you'll read my posts in this thread, that's what I've said. However, the reports are from sources that are sufficiently credible that they should be investigated.

As a conservative who supports "law and order," would you have the appropriate authorities ignore them?

Ahem - look at the Title of the thread. NOTHING in any of the reports/claims/etc support the contention in the title.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Harvey

As a conservative who supports "law and order," would you have the appropriate authorities ignore them?

Ahem - look at the Title of the thread. NOTHING in any of the reports/claims/etc support the contention in the title.

Ahem - Where did I say it does? In fact, unless you're reading challenged, you already know I said the same thing. :roll:

That said, there are the ACTUAL reports from credible, official state sources that service of the arrest warrant was delayed for political reasons. The identities of those alleged to have done so and their reasons are not specified, but it still raises the same questions and demands the same answers.

If it involved a Democratic candidate or the Democratic party, you would be screaming for the heads of all involved before the facts were in. Now that it involves Republicans, your hypocrisy is showing.

The story is public, and it is isn't going away. The facts will be evident soon enough.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Harvey

As a conservative who supports "law and order," would you have the appropriate authorities ignore them?

Ahem - look at the Title of the thread. NOTHING in any of the reports/claims/etc support the contention in the title.

Ahem - Where did I say it does? In fact, unless you're reading challenged, you already know I said the same thing. :roll:

That said, there are the ACTUAL reports from credible, official state sources that service of the arrest warrant was delayed for political reasons. The identities of those alleged to have done so and their reasons are not specified, but it still raises the same questions and demands the same answers.

If it involved a Democratic candidate or the Democratic party, you would be screaming for the heads of all involved before the facts were in. Now that it involves Republicans, your hypocrisy is showing.

The story is public, and it is isn't going away. The facts will be evident soon enough.

Wrong, there is no hypocrisy. And I'll again point out that just because it was delayed - even if it was due to Palin and the SS does not mean the "GOP told the cops to hold off" nor does it necessarily mean it was held off for political purposes. Ever think it could have been held off due to the SS being around like the F'n article stated? You do realize that the SS isn't "political" right?

 

[Aegeon]

The Anchorage Daily News now has posted a copy of the email with the accusation of political interference sent out by Alaska State Trooper Kyle Young who was involved with the investigation.
http://media.adn.com/smedia/20...e.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

(No-one involved in the political interference gets explicitly named in the email, but the accusations are strong and specific enough to clearly warrant an investigation of the matter which could eventually lead to that detail being made clear along with the charges in general reviewed to see if they are accurate as currently alleged.)