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GOP this is why we hate you.

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Londo_Jowo said:
DVC, I was thinking the same thing earlier but decided not to post. She probably would have imploded after she found this out. I think E-4's and below with a wife and 2 dependents can qualify for food stamps.
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We should probably start heaping a bunch of extra stigma on them so they won't be tempted to remain leeches forever.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
When I was in the Air Force I knew many enlisted people who received and used food stamps despite being full time, active-duty military members. I wonder whether this woman would have felt comfortable calling one of them out if he or she was shopping in uniform.
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Who knows or cares...unless this kind of conjecture somehow helps one to reinforce their stereotype of her. But what actually concerns me is that your post indicates that fraud in the system is somewhat endemic rather than incidental. This is what troubles many conservatives.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Who knows or cares...unless this kind of conjecture somehow helps one to reinforce their stereotype of her. But what actually concerns me is that your post indicates that fraud in the system is somewhat endemic rather than incidental. This is what troubles many conservatives.
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How did my post indicate anything about fraud? The people I am talking about were legally entitled to receive and use food stamps, as are many military members. Your use of the word "stereotype" is inapposite - this woman speaks for herself, her sentiments are clear, and one need not look to stereotypes to understand what she meant.
 
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dank69 said:
Your analogy isn't comparable. In my case, the woman is behaving in a way that is completely contradictory to Christian tenets. In your hypothetical, the person isn't saying "it was probably a black guy" to point out some obvious hypocrisy that would be present if the thief was indeed black.

Can't you understand that my comment actually means that I think the Christian faith is a good thing and that I wish she were actually a good Christian instead of the hateful bitch that she is? Are you too thick to realize this? Are you too emotionally invested at this point to admit you inferred something that was never implied by my post? It not only wasn't implied, the exact opposite is implied.
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I like the part of Christianity that says let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I don't mean to imply that I would never cast stones. I just know that when I do so it's out of my own unwillingness to see that what I despise in others is a projection of my own contempt for myself. The slight advantage that gives me when I manage to see it helps me to face the fact I'm a hypocrite because I don't actually have to buy into my anger as justified. I'm angry not because of that woman in line, but because of the abuse I have suffered from sleep walkers like her, issues that I remain unconscious of and have not resolved. Rage at others is wonderful because it tells you where you yourself have the sleeping sickness.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
How did my post indicate anything about fraud? The people I am talking about were legally entitled to receive and use food stamps, as are many military members. I think your use of the word "stereotype" is inapposite - this woman speaks for herself, her sentiments are clear, and one need not look to stereotypes to understand what she meant.
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I don't know why he missed that obvious fact. What a waste to live a life of resentment.
 
Bart*Simpson said:
The problem with the $15 minimum wage is that is creates a permanent underclass of people whose job skills are not worth $15 an hour.

There are a lot of low functioning people who are going to be blocked from these jobs as the jobs go to people who can produce enough to justify $15 an hour.

In short, your idea means that some people will be forced into utter and complete poverty.

That's cruel.
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
I'm sorry, can you point out exactly where I asked for $15 an hour?
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*crickets*
 
It is interesting that you and I are here, Moonbeam, navigating these conflicts through our reflections on others. You have been at this longer than myself. Do you not feel lonely?
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Life of a thousand regrets...yes. But, a life of resentment? Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Then I only ask you why the thought of a military person taking welfare seemed to evoke resentment somebody was gaming the system. My morals tell me that to advantage oneself at the expense of others is a moral sin. Along with those lessons for me was that sinners will be punished in hell as the richly deserve. I assumed we all got that message and all learned to wag our fingers.
 
Moonbeam said:
Then I only ask you why the thought of a military person taking welfare seemed to evoke resentment somebody was gaming the system. My morals tell me that to advantage oneself at the expense of others is a moral sin. Along with those lessons for me was that sinners will be punished in hell as the richly deserve. I assumed we all got that message and all learned to wag our fingers.
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I thought my response was clear...I mistakenly thought that anyone working for the military was making a living wage and couldn't possibly need food stamps. I assumed wrongly.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Really? Wow. I just assumed that we pay our military a living wage. My bad then.
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Why would you assume that? We also seem to be perfectly fine with letting an alarming number of vets remain homeless, destitute and with untreated psycho-social disorders.

Pay all of them a living wage? HA!
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I thought my response was clear...I mistakenly thought that anyone working for the military was making a living wage and couldn't possibly need food stamps. I assumed wrongly.
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I understand that. What I was trying to ask was, assuming the person was abusing something, isn't a reaction to that some form of moral outrage and isn't moral outrage at takers a form of resentment. Frankly, when I look at my own moral outrage, I see just that.
 
Moonbeam said:
I understand that. What I was trying to ask was, assuming the person was abusing something, isn't a reaction to that some form of moral outrage and isn't moral outrage at takers a form of resentment. Frankly, when I look at my own moral outrage, I see just that.
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Assuming there was fraud, it should be appropriately dealt with in my opinion. I don't feel outrage per se. I'm an engineer and my nature is to fix things that are broken.
 
interchange said:
It is interesting that you and I are here, Moonbeam, navigating these conflicts through our reflections on others. You have been at this longer than myself. Do you not feel lonely?
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Jesus, I had the best answer I could think of to this almost finished and got interrupted by a phone call. Seems like what I wrote has disappeared. I never seen to like what I say on a second attempt compared to the original so I rarely try. I will go in a completely different direction.

Back when they treated people with sever epilepsy by cutting the corpus callosum, researchers discovered there were two separate conscious individuals present in a single individual. It could be then that I have a 6 foot 2 inch Pooka following me around.

There are some thoughts in the second paragraph of post 110 in the 'do you respect the opinions of others' thread that relate to this, I think. Loneliness as separation......
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Assuming there was fraud, it should be appropriately dealt with in my opinion. I don't feel outrage per se. I'm an engineer and my nature is to fix things that are broken.
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Perhaps I'm just projecting then. I remember the first time I ever saw a psychologist, he told me I was defensive, and would you believe it, I told him he was wrong. Hehehehehehehe. Not saying you are too. Not saying that. Nope, not saying that no matter how it might look. I am not saying hippopotamus but if you think of one of those THAT would be fine by me.
 
Moonbeam said:
Perhaps I'm just projecting then. I remember the first time I ever saw a psychologist, he told me I was defensive, and would you believe it, I told him he was wrong. Hehehehehehehe. Not saying you are too. Not saying that. Nope, not saying that no matter how it might look. I am not saying hippopotamus but if you think of one of those THAT would be fine by me.
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I see that I am broken and understand that your perceptions may be much better than mine. So...maybe you have me pegged after all. Then again, maybe not. You decide.
 
zinfamous said:
Why would you assume that? We also seem to be perfectly fine with letting an alarming number of vets remain homeless, destitute and with untreated psycho-social disorders.

Pay all of them a living wage? HA!
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I will give you a synopsis of working as a psychiatrist in a VA:
1. Feelings of anger at being forced to reinforce a culture of dependence upon a system and validation of a collective attitude of being screwed over and disrespected at every turn.
2. Feelings of shame, doubt, inadequacy at being so choked by #1 that you cannot help people who actually need it.

Beyond that are mounds of paperwork and systems designed to prevent events (e.g. suicide) which are inevitable and in fact obstruct you from building a therapeutic alliance with a patient (through being affected by feelings 1 & 2 or through simply having your time eaten up by useless administrative tasks), even if just a brief one, which might actually make a real impact on their risk.
 
Moonbeam said:
There are some thoughts in the second paragraph of post 110 in the 'do you respect the opinions of others' thread that relate to this, I think. Loneliness as separation......
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I have a colleague who is young and quite attractive and also married to a wealthy man. During a group discussion, she shared that she did not wear her wedding ring when working at our publicly funded clinic because she was afraid of how patients perceived her for wearing a gaudy wedding ring. And I chuckled at the thought of the alternative she had never considered.

If only we could present to others only ourselves, yet we must present something. Of course, most people think their ego is their actual self, so what does it matter?

But then there is the irony. It's so much easier to present yourself when you don't even recognize the self you are presenting.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
I see that I am broken and understand that your perceptions may be much better than mine. So...maybe you have me pegged after all. Then again, maybe not. You decide.
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I don't need to decide. I don't feel any need for you to be this that or the other. I offer what I have seen in me in case you can relate to it. Many of the things that I know about myself I didn't come by with pride, but with humbling and humiliation. I acquired many comforting illusions I was forced to abandon. I had such a need to be right I died trying to prove it. I have learned that life can be just a pleasant on very much thinner gruel. I got to feel much better about myself by feeling very bad. This taught me that the world is upside down. I had a teacher who said, go in the direction of your fears.

The confrontation of the self tells me the world in upside down. Down is actually up. If you face unpleasant things about yourself all that happens is that you see what you had been, not what you become, because when you see you are set free.
 
dank69 said:
Typically you guys don't understand that it would probably cost more money than we would save to try and root it out, because you don't actually care about the money, you just need to get your rage on against the poors.
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It is about the principle more than the bottom line of today. The point is to teach people that government money isn't free money and that the goal shouldn't be to maximize how much you get however you can. Government money comes with strings and if you don't follow the rules you will be hung out to dry to be made an example of for people in your community.

What I don't understand is why people object to strings like piss tests, or proof that people are trying to get a job, for welfare. The welfare check shouldn't be the easiest money you ever got in life, if it is then the system is broken.
 
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