GOP this is why we hate you.

[soundforbjt]

#2. Christians are no more immune than non-Christians from acting like jackasses in public.

Christians should be IF they are really Christians, not just in their own eyes.

 

[Atreus21]

Are we pretending that cutting welfare isn't a major party platform for the GOP?

This was their platform on welfare as of 2012:

The Republican-led welfare reforms enacted in 1996 marked a revolution in government’s approach to poverty. They changed the standard for policy success from the amount of income transferred to the poor to the number of poor who moved from welfare to economic independence. We took the belief of most Americans—that welfare should be a hand up, not a hand out—and made it law. Work requirements, though modest, were at the heart of this success. That is why so many are now outraged by the current Administration’s recent decision to permit waivers for
work requirements for welfare benefits, in other words, to administratively repeal the most successful anti-poverty policy in memory. Instead of undermining the expectation that low-income parents and individuals should strive to support themselves, benefit programs like food stamps must ensure that those benefits are better targeted to those who need help the most.
For the sake of low-income families as well as the taxpayers, the federal government’s entire system of public assistance should be reformed to ensure that it promotes work. Each year, this system dispenses nearly $1 trillion in taxpayer funds across a maze of approximately 80 programs that are neither coordinated nor effective in solving poverty and lifting up families. For many individuals collecting benefits from multiple categorical programs, efforts to work or earn more actually result in less money in their pocket through the resulting loss of benefits. This
poverty trap would ensnare even more Americans if Obamacare were implemented. Taking a part time job, working an extra shift, or even just marrying someone who works, would result in a loss of benefits, thereby discouraging the very acts necessary to achieve the American Dream.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Are we pretending that cutting welfare isn't a major party platform for the GOP?

Are we now pretending that you're not an irrational bigot and actually capable of intelligently discussing the subject?

 

[Atreus21]

Christians should be IF they are really Christians, not just in their own eyes.

Yes, they should be.

 

[dank69]

Isn't that the point. The guy made that lady's blood boil so she felt justified in unloading on him. Different morals, different moral outrage....the common factor, rage. What is the source of our rage? Why do we allow it to justify acting out? What do you think carrying the cross symbolized?

I like to think the difference between me and her is that she is attacking someone weak, someone suffering obvious hardships. Piling on if you will. In short, an awful human being who should feel bad about how awful she is. I'm also trying to point out that people who say the same shit on the internet are no better.

 

[boomerang]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/03/woman-scolds-man-using-food-stamps-walmart-viral-video

Probably a Christian, too. Fuck all you idiots worried about food stamps. Every last one of you. You may say this bitch crossed over some line but you all think the same way, you just don't want to acknowledge that this is the ugly truth about your position.

Man, I hear ya. I used to work with this guy who was an overbearing, very vocal Democrat. I despised him and because of the way he acted, I know that all liberals are worthless scum. I mean ALL of them.

This attitude I have seems entirely justified to me. Some people say I'm thinking like a teenager and that I need to grow up, but you know, fuck them too.

I'm a better snowflake than any of them will ever be.

 

[mikeymikec]

Compelling people to help and compassionately helping are two different things. Think about it: Cut someone's welfare allotment in half and personally give someone the difference. Which half do they go out of their way to thank you for? Which half might they be less thankful for an why? Might they feel entitled to it?

I was raised on welfare and there is no comparing the two. You want to help? Open up your resources and help. Compelling others to help is not compassion by proxy.

I know, let's do a social experiment once whereby all benefits are stopped for a year, then tally the casualties, the hypocrites who say "someone should do something!" (not them of course), those who blame the people in need because it must be their own fault, those who complain about the presence of homeless people and the increase in crime, and those who actually help those in need and the tip of the iceberg that their help provides. This seems like a wonderful way to aid humanity and demonstrate our moral fibre. /s

The woman in the video is a classic example of why welfare is needed: There's no chance on the planet that she has a charitable bone in her body, though maybe she convinces herself that she is by giving spare change (that she could easily forget that she ever had for all the difference it makes to her finances) once in a blue moon to a charitable cause. The least she could do for the guy in the video is not to lord it over him and make out like he's stealing from her, but she doesn't even have that modicum of human decency.

 

[Atreus21]

I like to think the difference between me and her is that she is attacking someone weak, someone suffering obvious hardships. Piling on if you will. In short, an awful human being who should feel bad about how awful she is. I'm also trying to point out that people who say the same shit on the internet are no better.

There's a difference between saying welfare needs reform and berating as a worthless parasite a man who is struggling to feed his family.

 

[dank69]

Are we now pretending that you're not an irrational bigot and actually capable of intelligently discussing the subject?

Like you are one to speak about rational discussion. Attacking welfare and especially food stamps is disgusting behavior. If you think you don't do that you have nothing to be offended by.

 

[dank69]

There's a difference between saying welfare needs reform and berating as a worthless parasite a man who is struggling to feed his family.

Conservatives constantly like to paint welfare recipients as lazy leeches. I can't go a day without some conservative saying as much in real life, let alone on the internet. Don't even try to pretend that a huge portion of conservatives don't do this routinely.

 

[dank69]

Man, I hear ya. I used to work with this guy who was an overbearing, very vocal Democrat. I despised him and because of the way he acted, I know that all liberals are worthless scum. I mean ALL of them.

This attitude I have seems entirely justified to me. Some people say I'm thinking like a teenager and that I need to grow up, but you know, fuck them too.

I'm a better snowflake than any of them will ever be.

This is a very specific topic and we all know exactly where you side on this issue.

 

[fleshconsumed]

I noticed they left out SS and Medicare\Medicaid which amounts to ~1500 billion dollars.

SS and Medicare are not welfare. They're separate line items on the taxes. You pay into the system when you're young, and you get it out when you're old. Yes, some will receive more than they paid into the system, but some will receive less. SS and Medicare is not welfare, it's an annuity managed by the federal government.

 

[Moonbeam]

I like to think the difference between me and her is that she is attacking someone weak, someone suffering obvious hardships. Piling on if you will. In short, an awful human being who should feel bad about how awful she is. I'm also trying to point out that people who say the same shit on the internet are no better.

I know what you are thinking. I know how I think. We are the same. All I am saying is that I feel just as you feel but can justify none of it. I know that if I attack that women for her callous brain dead morality, I will be attacking myself. I don't hate the her that is like her but the her that is like me. If you want to cast stones, make sure you have not sinned. I never fail to note, five minutes after holding some action by somebody in contempt, that I do exactly the same thing. We have to learn to forgive others because we deed to forgive ourselves. And do you not see that the woman in question did not become as she is because she grew up loved? She learned to hate just as you and I did.

I have nothing against how you feel. I know you have good intentions. But rage only perpetuates the Karma of programming we have all experienced. I'm all for dumping your rage, say here on this forum and not directly against that woman, who will not personally experience your contempt, but expressing rage and feeling justified that it's a good thing to feel, are two different things.

That woman grew up in the dark and can't be other than she is. There is only one job we have, as far as I can see, and that is to find a way to repair the damage. The world needs love, loves the only thing there's not enough of....

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm worried about food stamps.
I'm worried about how to raise people up to make them strong and independent again.

a viable living wage would be a start.

 

[Atreus21]

Conservatives constantly like to paint welfare recipients as lazy leeches.

Because we've seen them in our lives (just like you've seen videos such as in your OP). I saw a guy trying to finance a beamer off his unemployment benefits. That repulses me because, I think, the guy ought to have a sense of shame, ought to feel an obligation to spend that money wisely since he asked for it out of presumed desperation. That he tries to buy not just a car, but a luxury car, indicates not only that he doesn't really need the money (in which case he was dishonest), but that he is careless with the money that was given to him in good faith (in which case he is embezzling).

The guy in this video is, from what I can see, not doing that. He's just buying groceries. That woman is a cruel, prejudiced, shithead.

I can't go a day without some conservative saying as much in real life, let alone on the internet. Don't even try to pretend that a huge portion of conservatives do this routinely.

Internet arguments make everyone stupid. Conservatives are no exception.

It seems to me we ought to be able to see both sides. There are people who honestly need help. There are also dishonest people who will game the system to get at the taxpayer's money.

 

[Indus]

OP is insane. Democrats this is why we hate you!

And you're willingly and blindly being a conservaterrorist terrorizing your own countrymen for the rich to make a killing off the poor. Who cares if people like you die because of no health care, no food and can't make a decent living because of outsourcing and no education.

Who is really insane? The liberals who can think of the problems created by corporate and rich welfare or the jihadist conservaterrorist war on helping American poor and middle class families?

 

[Genx87]

SS and Medicare are not welfare. They're separate line items on the taxes. You pay into the system when you're young, and you get it out when you're old. Yes, some will receive more than they paid into the system, but some will receive less. SS and Medicare is not welfare, it's an annuity managed by the federal government.

They are social welfare programs. The difference is how they are managed. But they serve the same purpose. Arguing over how they are managed is semantics.

 

[CZroe]

I know, let's do a social experiment once whereby all benefits are stopped for a year, then tally the casualties, the hypocrites who say "someone should do something!" (not them of course), those who blame the people in need because it must be their own fault, those who complain about the presence of homeless people and the increase in crime, and those who actually help those in need and the tip of the iceberg that their help provides. This seems like a wonderful way to aid humanity and demonstrate our moral fibre. /s

The woman in the video is a classic example of why welfare is needed: There's no chance on the planet that she has a charitable bone in her body, though maybe she convinces herself that she is by giving spare change (that she could easily forget that she ever had for all the difference it makes to her finances) once in a blue moon to a charitable cause. The least she could do for the guy in the video is not to lord it over him and make out like he's stealing from her, but she doesn't even have that modicum of human decency.

I didn't say a thing about her, but to your point:
TAKING the money makes people feel resolved of their responsibility, even though they would have likely assisted beyond simply giving money. Communities supported themselves effectively well before welfare when it was still all about the individual. They took note which is what inspired the world to emulate the American system. Now, we have this mindset DEPRESSING self-motivated charity: "I paid my taxes. I've done my part. Why should I give shelter or transportation or clothes or whatever else?" The government is demonstrably far less efficient at just about any task precisely because of the disconnect.

I know someone going through a nasty divorce who's contemplating suicide and has a lot of unexpected needs. I've opened up my home, fed him, brought his bank account out of negative (wife had raided it), helped him with his legal problems, talked to his bosses and helped him keep his job, and so much more, but it'll all be for nothing if he kills himself.

I'm surprising him with a copy of classic Pokemon Yellow and a Gameboy Color tomorrow. It's a long story, but, believe it or not, this surprise gesture is going to make a much bigger difference than any government assistance or generic cash infusion would and it could possibly keep him from doing something really stupid. Good luck getting such personal help from the government or organized charity.

 

[SP33Demon]

The comments are amazing and support your position that her view isn't uncommon. I'm sure someone will come along soon about how they heard from their buddy's second cousin's best friend that they heard a story that all the food stamp people only buy lobster and steak.

No, they don't buy lobster and steak but they buy all organic food which is more expensive than regular food. Why should the poor be buying the most expensive food when they can't support themselves? The OP actually shows why foodstampers are willing to take advantage of the system. The guys say "Why wouldn't I [take advantage of the system and use foodstamps]?". This is the future of your country, a bunch of freeloading berniebros who want the working class to pay for their stuff. We've gone from great to mediocre in a matter of 30 years, it's sad. This meme sums up millennials who don't want to work for a living and leach off the system:

 

[chucky2]

I think you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves. Without knowing what these people were buying, how do we know if her rant is justified or not? If they had a bunch of non-essential shit in the cart (which in my experience is generally what happens), then her rant is justified and these are just typical leeches that the SJW crowd shoots jizz into the air over, and of course wants to stifle any social backlash against.

If they had essential (not leech "essential", but, really essential items) and this woman wanted to get her b1tch on (oops, that was so misogynist of me! LOLSJW), then she needed to go home and rant at the poor F'r that married her instead of these folks.

Without seeing what they bought though, it's impossible to take a side her (unless one is F'ing imbecilic enough to take the position that whatever people who are the public teat wish to do with their public assistance is fine, who is the public to say how public provisions are used...aka dumbshit SJW crowd).

SJW response in 3, 2, ....

 

[theeedude]

Watching plebs fight over peanuts must be hilarious to the real parasites.

 

[CZroe]

I think you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves. Without knowing what these people were buying, how do we know if her rant is justified or not? If they had a bunch of non-essential shit in the cart (which in my experience is generally what happens), then her rant is justified and these are just typical leeches that the SJW crowd shoots jizz into the air over, and of course wants to stifle any social backlash against.

If they had essential (not leech "essential", but, really essential items) and this woman wanted to get her b1tch on (oops, that was so misogynist of me! LOLSJW), then she needed to go home and rant at the poor F'r that married her instead of these folks.

Without seeing what they bought though, it's impossible to take a side her (unless one is F'ing imbecilic enough to take the position that whatever people who are the public teat wish to do with their public assistance is fine, who is the public to say how public provisions are used...aka dumbshit SJW crowd).

SJW response in 3, 2, ....

I think it was mostly because there was a man and a woman in that family. There was a time when you couldn't get food stamps if a mom had an able-bodied man in the household regardless of whether he was employed or not and a single man could not get food stamps at all.

 

[alien42]

the only people i have personally known to receive food stamps were Republican, oh the irony.

 

[SP33Demon]

I think it was mostly because there was a man and a woman in that family. There was a time when you couldn't get food stamps if a mom had an able-bodied man in the household regardless of whether he was employed or not and a single man could not get food stamps at all.

We need to bring this back. If our able-bodied grandpas could fight a war in Europe then their male grandkids can sure as shit do a 9 to 5 if there's nothing wrong with them. The foodstamp system was designed for those who cannot get a job, not for men like this guy who appears to have nothing wrong with him.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves. Without knowing what these people were buying, how do we know if her rant is justified or not? If they had a bunch of non-essential shit in the cart (which in my experience is generally what happens), then her rant is justified and these are just typical leeches that the SJW crowd shoots jizz into the air over, and of course wants to stifle any social backlash against.

If they had essential (not leech "essential", but, really essential items) and this woman wanted to get her b1tch on (oops, that was so misogynist of me! LOLSJW), then she needed to go home and rant at the poor F'r that married her instead of these folks.

Without seeing what they bought though, it's impossible to take a side her (unless one is F'ing imbecilic enough to take the position that whatever people who are the public teat wish to do with their public assistance is fine, who is the public to say how public provisions are used...aka dumbshit SJW crowd).

SJW response in 3, 2, ....

There is no justification for her behavior regardless of what was in the cart. You are just like her and Dank, filled with bigoted notions as to when you get to express judgment. Judge not because what you judge will be yourself. Everybody is a mirror.