GOP takes tough stand on saving Bush tax cuts

[manimal]

Understand this, the Democrats were voted out of office because the majority of Americans felt they couldn't or wouldn't do the right things to get the economy moving in the right direction.

Wrong... they were voted out on anger pure and simple...see the polling the repubs get vs the dems? pretty close isnt it.....


its funny the revisionists are already having at their MANDATE.....BS is bs....

 

[her209]

People like spidey see a poor person get food stamps and think "SEE? The poor get so much more out of government!". Somehow they don't seem to notice how the structure of our government and society is built around protecting the interests of wealthy people.

Who helps write the regulations for industry? The wealthy. When a rich person and a poor person has a problem, who's problem gets addressed? The wealthy person's. When we write trade policy and wealthy people have a problem with it, maybe that policy gets changed. They don't ask the poor. Hell, the law itself is hugely stacked in favor of the rich. (nobody but rich people can even afford the lawyers necessary to go to court and protect their interests)

This isn't some sort of rich hating, this is the acknowledgement of reality. Spidey won't realize this because he's mentally ill. (seriously) Other people can, but they are too invested in their ideology to admit it.

Lets add when government wants to build a new highway, airport, etc. which neighborhood gets the shaft in terms declining property values?

 

[Jhhnn]

Because you're a leftist/marxist. This is how you and others of your ilk think, it's what you believe. It's class warfare, jealousy, "government only protects the wealthy, we need to spread it around".

Republicans had a pledge to keep taxes low for all tax paying americans and they're doing what they were elected to do. Stop Obama's agenda and leftist thinking.

Whatever it takes to remain in denial, right?

Class warfare? I'll quote the Oracle of Omaha, Warren Buffet-

"There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning."

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

People like spidey see a poor person get food stamps and think "SEE? The poor get so much more out of government!". Somehow they don't seem to notice how the structure of our government and society is built around protecting the interests of wealthy people.

Who helps write the regulations for industry? The wealthy. When a rich person and a poor person has a problem, who's problem gets addressed? The wealthy person's. When we write trade policy and wealthy people have a problem with it, maybe that policy gets changed. They don't ask the poor. Hell, the law itself is hugely stacked in favor of the rich. (nobody but rich people can even afford the lawyers necessary to go to court and protect their interests)

This isn't some sort of rich hating, this is the acknowledgement of reality. Spidey won't realize this because he's mentally ill. (seriously) Other people can, but they are too invested in their ideology to admit it.

Winnar.

In Washington, Ballmer spent millions to get a proposed amendment voted down on election day taht would increase taxes. Right after the it was voted down, he announced he was starting to sell a lot of stocks, valued at a couple billion $$. Guess how much money he saved by spreading FUD? Lots. Yup, rich people are totally screwed over.

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So us middle class people can buy enough air time to defeat laws we don't like? Yeah, right.

 

[Smartazz]

Because you're a leftist/marxist. This is how you and others of your ilk think, it's what you believe. It's class warfare, jealousy, "government only protects the wealthy, we need to spread it around".

Republicans had a pledge to keep taxes low for all tax paying americans and they're doing what they were elected to do. Stop Obama's agenda and leftist thinking.

Spidey, you must have no concept of reality to think that the rich don't have serious pull in a society. Anyone with more money naturally has more power in a society. Also, what will lowering taxes on the upper class do to help the economy? Do you want to lower taxes for the sake of lowering taxes, even if it serves to increase the deficit? Or shall we remove all social welfare programs so that we can lower taxes? Btw, you still haven't addressed the fact that keeping too much money at the top isn't good for an economy and what should do to help alleviate this.

Spidey, all you do is fight other peoples' ideologies with your own and you sling insults at people when you have nothing else to say. You're entitled to your own opinions, but please contribute to this discussion in a beneficial way.

 

[fskimospy]

Whatever it takes to remain in denial, right?

Class warfare? I'll quote the Oracle of Omaha, Warren Buffet-

"There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning."

Spidey isn't a good person to argue with, it's pretty clear that he's mentally ill.

You'll notice that he doesn't address any of the points I made. He doesn't say that industry regulation helps the poor more, he doesn't say that the government is more responsive to the priorities of the poor, or anything else like that. He also doesn't try and make the argument that even when you add up all those advantages that they don't equal out to welfare/assistance programs to the poor. He just resorts to the standard spidey tard rage.

It's because he doesn't have a real response.

 

[Smartazz]

Spidey isn't a good person to argue with, it's pretty clear that he's mentally ill.

You'll notice that he doesn't address any of the points I made. He doesn't say that industry regulation helps the poor more, he doesn't say that the government is more responsive to the priorities of the poor, or anything else like that. He also doesn't try and make the argument that even when you add up all those advantages that they don't equal out to welfare/assistance programs to the poor. He just resorts to the standard spidey tard rage.

It's because he doesn't have a real response.

He also doesn't realize that there's a middle ground that many people take. To him, you're a Marxist or you're not. No sense in arguing with someone who has a very loose sense of reality that refuses to acknowledge any other person's argument.

 

[LegendKiller]

Because you're a leftist/marxist. This is how you and others of your ilk think, it's what you believe. It's class warfare, jealousy, "government only protects the wealthy, we need to spread it around".

Republicans had a pledge to keep taxes low for all tax paying americans and they're doing what they were elected to do. Stop Obama's agenda and leftist thinking.

What happens when the cycle the perpetuated THEIR ability to get THEIR wealth stops?

They only were able to get THEIR wealth because somebody else in a previous generation paid higher taxes. Thus, it isn't THEIR wealth but societies wealth. They get to keep most of it but it is only in THEIR best interest to keep the cycle going. However, twats like you cannot recognize that being a "me me me" doesn't perpetuate the wealth and will only lead to stagnation.

BTW - As somebody mentioned above...your wife works for the government?

Give me MY wealth back you fucking leech.

 

[LegendKiller]

He also doesn't realize that there's a middle ground that many people take. To him, you're a Marxist or you're not. No sense in arguing with someone who has a very loose sense of reality that refuses to acknowledge any other person's argument.

Isn't that how 10 year olds work?

 

[LegendKiller]

Spidey isn't a good person, it's pretty clear that he's mentally ill.

You'll notice that he doesn't address any of the points I made. He doesn't say that industry regulation helps the poor more, he doesn't say that the government is more responsive to the priorities of the poor, or anything else like that. He also doesn't try and make the argument that even when you add up all those advantages that they don't equal out to welfare/assistance programs to the poor. He just resorts to the standard spidey tard rage.

It's because he doesn't have a real response.

I fixed the first part for you. He's simply not a good person at all and it is very clear that he's mentally ill. He cannot think past the first-order effects of what he spews.

He also, like Londo, lacks any real knowledge of the topics he spews about. This is why he cannot debate the data. Only intelligent people can counter debates effectively.

 

[Throckmorton]

Why don't Democrats propose taking the tax cuts for the top 2% and giving the bottom 98% MORE tax cuts for the next 2 years? How can the Republicans argue against that?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Yes of course, our government represents the interests of the rich and poor to the same extent.

What are you smoking?

lol, so the leftists answer to this is MORE gov't? WTF are you morons smoking? The answer is clearly not MORE gov't involvement in things but you people are too blinded by your class warfare rage to see it.

 

[Smartazz]

Why don't Democrats propose taking the tax cuts for the top 2% and giving the bottom 98% MORE tax cuts for the next 2 years? How can the Republicans argue against that?

They'd argue that the top 2% need that money to create jobs and people would believe them because most people don't do research for themselves. Democrats should propose this because at least it will encourage national discussion as to what course of action we as a nation want to take.

 

[Engineer]

They'd argue that the top 2% need that money to create jobs and people would believe them because most people don't do research for themselves. Democrats should propose this because at least it will encourage national discussion as to what course of action we as a nation want to take.

That but they would argue that it's class warfare and wealth redistribution even more (and it is for those that get more money back than they pay in but it is not, IMO, if you still have pay a net tax after the new cuts). The reality of the situation is that the rich, who own most of the business, would end up with the money even in that situation as everyone knows that poor and middle class would spend most if not all of it and it will trickle back up to the top, but that's another story for another thread.

 

[fskimospy]

lol, so the leftists answer to this is MORE gov't? WTF are you morons smoking? The answer is clearly not MORE gov't involvement in things but you people are too blinded by your class warfare rage to see it.

Ah CAD, another /facepalm inducing post from you. You never fail to make a conversation stupider.

Your post doesn't even make any internal sense. How could I simultaneously be conducting class warfare (nice standard talking point) by pushing for more government if I believe that the government is the cause of the inequality to begin with? Unless you mean that I am blinded by my class warfare on the side of the rich? Okay, it's more likely that you're just stupid.

I believe that our government currently works in many ways to perpetuate inequality, yes. We have also successfully used government in the past in order to address this inequality, and we should do so now. Government is a vastly preferable vehicle for this as opposed to some sort of deregulation/reliance on private industry because we have a greater ability to make government responsive to us than we do private industry.

I don't know why I waste my time typing responses to you, you're more interested in fighting the evil 'libruls' than you are in anything else. It's Sunday, can't you busy yourself with a different sports team other than Team Red? (Oh, and trust me, I wish you were mature enough to look at politics as something other than a sports team)

 

[Smartazz]

That but they would argue that it's class warfare and wealth redistribution even more (and it is for those that get more money back than they pay in but it is not, IMO, if you still have pay a net tax after the new cuts). The reality of the situation is that the rich, who own most of the business, would end up with the money even in that situation as everyone knows that poor and middle class would spend most if not all of it and it will trickle back up to the top, but that's another story for another thread.

While the money would end up back at the top, spending would still increase for the lower 98%, which in turn creates more demand for jobs and can serve to spur the economy. Cutting taxes at the top encourages speculative trading and off-shoring of American money. Higher taxes for the upper class encourages less speculative trading and instead encourages reinvestment into their businesses. Nobody likes paying taxes and this isn't an issue of class warfare, it's an issue of doing what is most effective in spurring the economy.

 

[Slew Foot]

The top 2% are not average working "stiffs". They get many tax benefits\loopholes, subsidies, no-bid contracts, etc. It's not mostly working folks.

No that's the top .2%. The top 2% is mostly business owners, lawyers, doctors, real estate agents, bankers, engineers, and other people who are smart enough to actually have a job.

 

[IBMer]

No that's the top .2%. The top 2% is mostly business owners, lawyers, doctors, real estate agents, bankers, engineers, and other people who are smart enough to actually have a job.

I like how you put them out there like that. What you really should be saying is the top 2 percent of Lawyers, doctors, real estate agents, bankers and engineers because on average those jobs aren't in the top 2 percent.

 

[spidey07]

I like how you put them out there like that. What you really should be saying is the top 2 percent of Lawyers, doctors, real estate agents, bankers and engineers because on average those jobs aren't in the top 2 percent.

No. Any dual income professional household generally puts you at the top 2% income. Are you telling me that only .2% of all bankers, engineers, etc make more than 125 grand a year? That is simply not true, most all of them will make that in a good sized city.

This is why raising the taxes on working white collar professionals is such a bad idea, they DO spend that money, they are consumers as well and stealing their money just means they won't spend it. The worst thing you could do right now in this economy is raise taxes on consumers who not only spend the most consumer money, they also pay the most taxes. It's a terrible idea with only bad consequences, there are NO good thing that can come of it.

 

[fskimospy]

No. Any dual income professional household generally puts you at the top 2% income. Are you telling me that only .2% of all bankers, engineers, etc make more than 125 grand a year? That is simply not true, most all of them will make that in a good sized city.

This is why raising the taxes on working white collar professionals is such a bad idea, they DO spend that money, they are consumers as well and stealing their money just means they won't spend it. The worst thing you could do right now in this economy is raise taxes on consumers who not only spend the most consumer money, they also pay the most taxes. It's a terrible idea with only bad consequences, there are NO good thing that can come of it.

So of course since it's negative impacts are so obvious, you can show us empirical evidence that higher tax rates on the rich lead to lower economic growth, right 'ol spidey?

.... right?

 

[manimal]

No. Any dual income professional household generally puts you at the top 2% income. Are you telling me that only .2% of all bankers, engineers, etc make more than 125 grand a year? That is simply not true, most all of them will make that in a good sized city.

This is why raising the taxes on working white collar professionals is such a bad idea, they DO spend that money, they are consumers as well and stealing their money just means they won't spend it. The worst thing you could do right now in this economy is raise taxes on consumers who not only spend the most consumer money, they also pay the most taxes. It's a terrible idea with only bad consequences, there are NO good thing that can come of it.

By your failed logic the top 2 percent actually is more like the top 20 percent...

The top 2 percent consists of Hedge Fund managers, Litigation Lawyers, and the like..you realize 2 percent is actually 2 percent not some overinflated fantasy...

BTW I am in the top 2 percent and did very well in the 90s during those awfully high tax years.....


You do realize harping on the gubment while your wife takes its money makes you look like a fool right? Dont bite the hand that feeds you kid...

 

[theeedude]

What the hell, lets make them "permanent" for everyone. If we are going to have the Fed print money anyways, who cares if we run huge deficits. When we get serious about cutting deficits, then we'll have to go back to the Clinton tax rates that actually dealt with deficits. Until then, let's just play gotcha politics and keep the "deficits dont matter" dog and pony show rolling.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Wrong... they were voted out on anger pure and simple...see the polling the repubs get vs the dems? pretty close isnt it.....


its funny the revisionists are already having at their MANDATE.....BS is bs....

Keep on preaching the Democratic Talking Points. Keep in mind you guys are the only ones that believe them.

 

[fskimospy]

Keep on preaching the Democratic Talking Points. Keep in mind you guys are the only ones that believe them.

It makes sense that you keep talking in terms of religion and faith, considering your complete inability to address facts that run contrary to your beliefs.

 

[Paul98]

I am still trying to understand the argument that lower taxes on the rich create jobs. Seems to me lowering taxes on the middle class and the poor would be a lot more for the economy, and even the rich than lowering taxes on the rich. Is there a good website that has information on these things? Or at least info on what people think should work and why?