GOP takes tough stand on saving Bush tax cuts

[spidey07]

No, they should be paying more for all the extra benefits\protections they receive.

What extra benefit do they receive over a normal tax payer? I don't think you understand what that group is. It isn't all super rich, it's mostly working folks. You're confusing super rich with just high wage earners like a dual income white collar professional in a higher cost of living area or decent sized city.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

No, they should be paying more for all the extra benefits\protections they receive.

They have no more "extra" benefits\protections than anyone else. It's laughable how leftists seem to think that they do.

 

[matt0611]

No, they should be paying more for all the extra benefits\protections they receive.

Don't they already pay more? I mean, taxes are based off percentage of money earned so if you are rich and you make more money you pay more. Plus the more money you make the higher the percentage of taxes the government takes. Is that not how it currently works? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[soundforbjt]

The top 2% are not average working "stiffs". They get many tax benefits\loopholes, subsidies, no-bid contracts, etc. It's not mostly working folks.

 

[soundforbjt]

Don't they already pay more? I mean, taxes are based off percentage of money earned so if you are rich and you make more money you pay more. Plus the more money you make the higher the percentage of taxes the government takes. Is that not how it currently works? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Since they own\control most of the wealth, they should pay more. I would and I would not complain. I don't complain now about my taxes.

And no, some pay less than I do in percentage, so that is not how it works.

 

[spidey07]

The top 2% are not average working "stiffs". They get many tax benefits\loopholes, subsidies, no-bid contracts, etc. It's not mostly working folks.

Actually, when you are in even the top 5 or 10% you lose most deductions due to phase out rules. If anything they get LESS loopholes and benefits and also throw in AMT. And absolutely they are mostly working people.

You have no idea what you're talking about, just pure jealousy and class warfare. Any CPA or tax pro knows exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, god forbid that people like the Koch Brothers having money to reinvest in their companies. Wouldn't want to have more people employed that either supply goods or services to these same said companies. Better to ship all these companies to Mexico.

That is sooo lame. Money reinvested in existing companies isn't taxed, but rather shown as an expense. Extremely low business and personal tax rates encourage profit taking, not vice versa.

 

[soundforbjt]

Actually, when you are in even the top 5 or 10% you lose most deductions due to phase out rules. If anything they get LESS loopholes and benefits and also throw in AMT. And absolutely they are mostly working people.

You have no idea what you're talking about, just pure jealousy and class warfare. Any CPA or tax pro knows exactly what I'm talking about.

As I've said before, I'm not jealous and would gladly pay the top 2%'s rates, IF I had their money.

You are just greedy, don't feel bad...greed's a powerful addiction.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

As I've said before, I'm not jealous and would gladly pay the top 2%'s rates, IF I had their money.

You are just greedy, don't feel bad...greed's a powerful addiction.

lol, the only greedy ones here are the ones that think they can take more from certain people because they think they don't need it or they won't miss it. Here's a clue for you leftists - people's earnings are theirs - not yours to fund your little causes.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol, the only greedy ones here are the ones that think they can take more from certain people because they think they don't need it or they won't miss it. Here's a clue for you leftists - people's earnings are theirs - not yours to fund your little causes.

Oh, Mew! Little causes like the Bush Admin's WoT, Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, their banking bailout, obscene military spending in general and maintenance payments on all the debt run up by previous repub admins...

Righties speak with forked tongues, and don't even know it.

 

[Smartazz]

lol, the only greedy ones here are the ones that think they can take more from certain people because they think they don't need it or they won't miss it. Here's a clue for you leftists - people's earnings are theirs - not yours to fund your little causes.

I understand where you're coming from, however you can't ignore the negative effects of having too much wealth being controlled by a small number of people. You can argue that the money is theirs, however you could just as easily argue that they were lucky enough to be born in a country that allowed them to make money. You can talk about your ideological beliefs all you want, but having huge wealth disparities among Americans has negative effects.

 

[spidey07]

I understand where you're coming from, however you can't ignore the negative effects of having too much wealth being controlled by a small number of people. You can argue that the money is theirs, however you could just as easily argue that they were lucky enough to be born in a country that allowed them to make money. You can talk about your ideological beliefs all you want, but having huge wealth disparities among Americans has negative effects.

This is the leftist mind in work and it is a lame argument without merit. Success takes hard work and effort, not lucky to be born in America. Immigrants come from all over the world to start a business and live the American Dream and many are very successful in doing so. Luck has very little to do with it. It is nothing but jealousy and a desire for wealth distrubtion, there is no other reason. I've got news for all people that think like you - THIS IS AMERICA! And we won't have that kind of thinking in our country, We REJECT it.

Notice the thinking - "allow you to make money". November told congress and Obama - NO! Not in OUR country, get that kind of shit thinking outta here.

 

[Smartazz]

Spidey, how is it a lame argument without merit? I never said that the money doesn't belong to them. I agree that people who earn their money are entitled to it, however you cannot ignore the negative effects of hoarding large amounts of wealth in the top income bracket and you need to compensate for these negative effects. This isn't a question of class warfare or jealousy of the upper class, it's an issue of recovering the negative effects of hoarding obscene amounts of wealth. Some people can take this a step further and argue that you have a duty to look out for and support the less fortunate members of your country.

 

[piasabird]

At least the Republicans will not bow down to our enemies and apolagize for being an American or for people making money. People should be encouraged to make more money not penalized!

 

[fskimospy]

They have no more "extra" benefits\protections than anyone else. It's laughable how leftists seem to think that they do.

Yes of course, our government represents the interests of the rich and poor to the same extent.

What are you smoking?

 

[spidey07]

Yes of course, our government represents the interests of the rich and poor to the same extent.

What are you smoking?

The government gives food, money, education, housing to the poor. The rich get no such benefits, they get the pleasure of paying for all of it with THEIR MONEY.

 

[soundforbjt]

^^^Doesn't 1/2 of your joint income come from the evil government, IIRC?

 

[jackstar7]

The government gives food, money, education, housing to the poor. The rich get no such benefits, they get the pleasure of paying for all of it with THEIR MONEY.

Or whatever their parents/grandfather (etc.) earned/looted/profiteered.

 

[Smartazz]

The government gives food, money, education, housing to the poor. The rich get no such benefits, they get the pleasure of paying for all of it with THEIR MONEY.

Actually, anyone who pays taxes pays for these things too, not just the rich. Could you imagine living in a society where the poor starve on the street while remaining ignorant throughout their lives? I'm curious where your sense of morals is Spidey. The rich get rich at the expense of the poor, giving them basic necessities to live is the least they can do. Btw, the government doesn't spend that much money on providing basic necessities to those in need, with the exception of Medicare and Medicaid. I completely understand that some very rich Americans worked very hard for their money, however you cannot ignore the fact that huge wealth disproportion is harmful.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

When DC decides to reform medicaid then give me a call. Glad to take more and glad to do nothing to make it go further. That our government.

 

[Generator]

The Republicans should be fighting for a tax rate equal to what the super rich pay. Which is a measly 10-15% effective rate. The poor and middle class are getting robbed.

 

[fskimospy]

Actually, anyone who pays taxes pays for these things too, not just the rich. Could you imagine living in a society where the poor starve on the street while remaining ignorant throughout their lives? I'm curious where your sense of morals is Spidey. The rich get rich at the expense of the poor, giving them basic necessities to live is the least they can do. Btw, the government doesn't spend that much money on providing basic necessities to those in need, with the exception of Medicare and Medicaid. I completely understand that some very rich Americans worked very hard for their money, however you cannot ignore the fact that huge wealth disproportion is harmful.

People like spidey see a poor person get food stamps and think "SEE? The poor get so much more out of government!". Somehow they don't seem to notice how the structure of our government and society is built around protecting the interests of wealthy people.

Who helps write the regulations for industry? The wealthy. When a rich person and a poor person has a problem, who's problem gets addressed? The wealthy person's. When we write trade policy and wealthy people have a problem with it, maybe that policy gets changed. They don't ask the poor. Hell, the law itself is hugely stacked in favor of the rich. (nobody but rich people can even afford the lawyers necessary to go to court and protect their interests)

This isn't some sort of rich hating, this is the acknowledgement of reality. Spidey won't realize this because he's mentally ill. (seriously) Other people can, but they are too invested in their ideology to admit it.

 

[IBMer]

People like spidey see a poor person get food stamps and think "SEE? The poor get so much more out of government!". Somehow they don't seem to notice how the structure of our government and society is built around protecting the interests of wealthy people.

Who helps write the regulations for industry? The wealthy. When a rich person and a poor person has a problem, who's problem gets addressed? The wealthy person's. When we write trade policy and wealthy people have a problem with it, maybe that policy gets changed. They don't ask the poor. Hell, the law itself is hugely stacked in favor of the rich. (nobody but rich people can even afford the lawyers necessary to go to court and protect their interests)

This isn't some sort of rich hating, this is the acknowledgement of reality. Spidey won't realize this because he's mentally ill. (seriously) Other people can, but they are too invested in their ideology to admit it.

Finally, I couldn't put it into words correctly like this!

 

[spidey07]

Finally, I couldn't put it into words correctly like this!

Because you're a leftist/marxist. This is how you and others of your ilk think, it's what you believe. It's class warfare, jealousy, "government only protects the wealthy, we need to spread it around".

Republicans had a pledge to keep taxes low for all tax paying americans and they're doing what they were elected to do. Stop Obama's agenda and leftist thinking.

 

[CallMeJoe]

...marxist...

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.