GOP starting to rebel against 'no tax hike' pledge

[jpeyton]

Let's see some spending cuts first.

No more Obamaphones, etc. Conditions on welfare. Some defense cuts too, especially related to Afghanistan.

Obama has already scheduled $487 billion in long term spending cuts for the Pentagon, and $500 billion in military sequestration beginning in January 2013.

Is $987 billion in spending cuts enough for you to graciously allow Obama to raise taxes? Or would cutting Obamaphones better fit your chain mail talking points?

 

[Tom]

Let's see some spending cuts first.

No more Obamaphones, etc. Conditions on welfare. Some defense cuts too, especially related to Afghanistan.

The so called Obama phone is a lie.

The program started in 1996 to subsidize land lines for low income people. Mobile phones began to be added in 2008, while George W Bush was President.

So, its fine to be against the program, its not right to pretend its Obama's program.

As to the merits of cutting it, I'm sure its not going to balance the budget to beat down on the poor and the elderly, but maybe you'll feel better for having done so.

 

[Ausm]

Stop playing semantic games. They're what people are talking about when they talk about entitlement programs vs. discretionary spending.

Semantics??? The word "Entitlement" sounds like you feel like you deserve something you didn't work for which is hardly the case in regard to these 2 programs. I call them earned benefits and I really don't give a flying fuck what you "think" they should be called.

 

[Ausm]

Obama has already scheduled $487 billion in long term spending cuts for the Pentagon, and $500 billion in military sequestration beginning in January 2013.

Is $987 billion in spending cuts enough for you to graciously allow Obama to raise taxes? Or would cutting Obamaphones better fit your chain mail talking points?

I think he is sore because the majority of the Electorate wasn't buy'in the shit Fox noise was pushing. 😉

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I heard the leader of one of the larger unions (I'm thinking SEIU but I'm not certain, it was a week or two ago) on NPR saying that she was opposed to any entitlement cuts. If Obama is serious about fiscal sanity then he's going to have to be willing to pick a fight with people like her.

http://www.californiahealthline.org...-take-positions-on-entitlements-tax-code.aspx
11/15/12​

Earlier this week, Democrats and Obama suggested they would be open to negotiating on entitlement programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid, if Republicans would make concessions on taxes.​

However, Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on Wednesday said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) would not bring entitlements to the negotiating table. However, Schumer noted that Democrats could be open to making Medicare more efficient, although he refused to discuss any specific proposals (National Journal, 11/14).​

Democrats' and Obama's statements came after House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Tuesday reiterated his position that a deal can be reached only if the president is serious about reforming entitlement programs. Boehner said he "always believed that [tax] revenues were going to have to be part of the solution," but Republicans also expect significant changes to entitlement programs, particularly Medicare and Medicaid (National Journal, 11/14).

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) also said a deal that includes more taxes must include reductions to federal health programs (Wall Street Journal, 11/14).​

It looks like tax hikes must coincide with entitlement cuts if a deal is going to be struck. ​

 

[jpeyton]

It looks like tax hikes must coincide with entitlement cuts if a deal is going to be struck.

I'd rather go off the fiscal cliff than strike a deal with Boehner or McConnell.

We already know what happened between 2000 and 2008 (light blue), the biggest fuckup of the last 50 years.

Going off the fiscal cliff (cyan) wouldn't be bad for our country in the long term, although in the short term the middle class will feel a pinch (they'll adjust to it).

The GOP's financial strategy (light brown) would keep our country swimming in debt for the next decade.

 

[dank69]

I'd rather go off the fiscal cliff than strike a deal with Boehner or McConnell.

...

This. This. A thousand times, this!

 

[GaiaHunter]

Obama has already scheduled $487 billion in long term spending cuts for the Pentagon, and $500 billion in military sequestration beginning in January 2013.

Is $987 billion in spending cuts enough for you to graciously allow Obama to raise taxes? Or would cutting Obamaphones better fit your chain mail talking points?

Beginning in January 2013 and going on for a decade or so.

So around ~$100Bn a year, half of them with another President in the house.

 

[Ausm]

This. This. A thousand times, this!

I agree then come back with a Proposal to give tax cuts to the 98% and watch them commit Political suicide shit canning that deal. 😀

 

[Meghan54]

 

[ichy]

I call them earned benefits and I really don't give a flying fuck what you "think" they should be called.

Bullshit. The Medicare taxes that people have paid are NOT enough to fund the ever-expanding, all you can eat healthcare buffet that Medicare has turned into. There needs to be some form of rationing. Beyond that you should have to pay out of pocket or buy supplemental private insurance.

 

[Throckmorton]

Semantics??? The word "Entitlement" sounds like you feel like you deserve something you didn't work for which is hardly the case in regard to these 2 programs. I call them earned benefits and I really don't give a flying fuck what you "think" they should be called.

It certainly sounds like you feel you're entitled to have your retirement paid for by working people. No, Social Security is not a savings plan, it's socialism and redistribution.

 

[Meghan54]

And remember this: "Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit." At least so said the Republican Jesus, Ronald Reagan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUoRD4pYzI&feature=player_embedded

 

[jpeyton]

Beginning in January 2013 and going on for a decade or so.

So around ~$100Bn a year, half of them with another President in the house.

And your point is what, exactly? You want Obama to undo a decade worth of damage by announcing $10 trillion in cuts effective tomorrow?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'd rather go off the fiscal cliff than strike a deal with Boehner or McConnell.

We already know what happened between 2000 and 2008 (light blue), the biggest fuckup of the last 50 years.

Going off the fiscal cliff (cyan) wouldn't be bad for our country in the long term, although in the short term the middle class will feel a pinch (they'll adjust to it).

The GOP's financial strategy (light brown) would keep our country swimming in debt for the next decade.

So...you'd just rather have our public debt climb to 94 percent of GDP by 2022...sweet! No need to worry about what happened between 2000-2008, this will be the biggest fuckup ever. And the interesting part is that you don't care as long as there is no compromise with Republicans regarding our spending problems. That seems pretty damn stupid to me.

 

[Genx87]

So...you'd just rather have our public debt climb to 94 percent of GDP by 2022...sweet! No need to worry about what happened between 2000-2008, this will be the biggest fuckup ever. And the interesting part is that you don't care as long as there is no compromise with Republicans regarding our spending problems. That seems pretty damn stupid to me.

It is pathetic that Jpeyton will complain about republican obstructionism while saying democrats should do the same and let the fiscal cliff happen. God forbid both sides compromise on a solution. The middle class will adjust so says the wise Jpeyton.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

The great thing about the fiscal cliff for Democrats is they pretty much get everything they want by not doing a damn thing. Taxes go back to the Clinton rates and defense spending goes down. The Democrats can then retroactively push through tax cuts for the middle class that take us back to the Bush rates, and it'll be a cold day in hell before Republicans block this.

I love how Republicans think they actually have leverage here. Their opening proposals are laughable. If I'm Obama I just sit back and laugh.

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhhnn
Conservatives didn't say that when Bush wanted to cut taxes, did they?

Oh, wait... that was "different" somehow...

And what does 10 years ago have to do with today? The answer is nothing
So what? Are you saying cuts shouldnt be considered?

Oh, wait.... over in the Ben Stein thread, where I said that taxes will have to be raised, I got buried in tears about the past, how every time taxes get raised, the Democrats spend the money. Funny how the past is relevant, when one's ox isn't gored but relevant when it is. Remember that conservatives have a brain defect that makes they rationalize their beliefs rather than logically critique them. Hidden emotional attachments create colored lenses, colored lenses, colored lenses. Without inner self awareness you can't really think.

 

[monovillage]

Obama has already scheduled $487 billion in long term spending cuts for the Pentagon, and $500 billion in military sequestration beginning in January 2013.

Is $987 billion in spending cuts enough for you to graciously allow Obama to raise taxes? Or would cutting Obamaphones better fit your chain mail talking points?

Nope, Obama can graciously suck a fart out of my ass, tell him to keep cutting.

 

[NTMBK]

Nope, Obama can graciously suck a fart out of my ass, tell him to keep cutting.

You are the problem. You, and people like you.

 

[Matt1970]

Public debt hit 100% of GDP in early 2012 not some time in the middle 2020's like that failed graph suggests. If they can't even get that right, we supposed to believe the rest of those projections? Keep posting those lies though, they serve you well.

 

[jpeyton]

Nope, Obama can graciously suck a fart out of my ass, tell him to keep cutting.

It's an interesting coincidence that you enjoy rim-jobs and the GOP enjoys employing them.

He doesn't have to lift a finger to let the Bush Tax Cuts expire. They already have an expiration date: December 31st, 2012.

35 days and it's done. No approval from you or the GOP needed.

 

[Ausm]

He doesn't have to lift a finger to let the Bush Tax Cuts expire. They already have an expiration date: December 31st, 2012.

35 days and it's done. No approval from you or the GOP needed.

I say kiss them goodbye!

 

[monovillage]

You are the problem. You, and people like you.

The problem with out of control and devastating government spending? Thank you.

 

[sactoking]

The great thing about the fiscal cliff for Democrats is they pretty much get everything they want by not doing a damn thing. Taxes go back to the Clinton rates and defense spending goes down. The Democrats can then retroactively push through tax cuts for the middle class that take us back to the Bush rates, and it'll be a cold day in hell before Republicans block this.

I love how Republicans think they actually have leverage here. Their opening proposals are laughable. If I'm Obama I just sit back and laugh.

Democrats want the US debt downgraded? They want to push more municipalities into bankruptcy? They want to give Republicans more ammunition to stonewall the debt ceiling talks, which will result in a default? They want to push the country into another recession or depression?

'Cuz that's the likely result of a "fiscal cliff" impasse for more than about 2 days in 2013.