GOP slams Bush policies at retreat

conjur

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Coming from the Washington Times, this must be big news!

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040205-115100-7758r.htm
Growing frustration over President Bush's immigration plan and lack of fiscal discipline came to a head behind closed doors at last weekend's Republican retreat in Philadelphia.

House lawmakers, stunned by the intensity of their constituents' displeasure at some of Mr. Bush's key domestic policies, gave his political strategist Karl Rove an earful behind closed doors.

"It was intense, but I was not surprised at the tone of questioning during Rove's session," said Rep. Tom Feeney, Florida Republican. "But then this was supposed to be a no-holds-barred discussion, and our constituents are upset."

"They were all over Karl on immigration and spending," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican and a leading House proponent of controlling the nation's borders and curbing illegal immigration. "This is the first time I didn't even have to raise the immigration issue myself. Everyone else did."

Mr. Rove addressed the retreat Jan. 29, followed by Office of Management and Budget Director Joshua B. Bolten the next day and Mr. Bush on Saturday.

"It's no great secret that some members of Congress don't agree with every single thing the president is doing," said White House spokesman Trent Duffy. "But he is trying to lead the country, to broaden the party. He promoted his ideas and his agenda for those in the room."

By most accounts, Mr. Rove and Mr. Bolten received the worst of it.

"I would not say we jumped all over Karl, but we did have a very pointed discussion about the concerns we are hearing from our base," said Rep. Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee Republican.

"Most of our members are very concerned about what they perceived as amnesty for illegal aliens under the president's immigration proposal," said Mrs. Blackburn, adding that she made it "very clear" to Mr. Rove that "this is something I'm not going to support."

She said spending is another issue that lawmakers told Mr. Rove they were concerned about.

Many of the 218 Republicans at the retreat said immigration and overspending had emerged as the top two issues in their home districts.

"I just got the results of a poll in our district, and it's 2-to-1 against the president's immigration plan," a House member said confidentially.


Mr. Rove gave a presentation defending the president's agenda, then fielded questions from the lawmakers attending the annual meeting of all Republicans in the House.

Mr. Bolten spent about three hours with the assembled lawmakers, explaining and defending the president's spending plan, said those who attended.

"I would say 97 out of 100 of our members who asked questions laid into him pretty good about spending and the lack of discipline on the administration's part," Mr. Feeney said.

"I felt like the message had been sent from the people [that Republican lawmakers] had relied on for votes ? not just from disgruntled conservatives in the conference," Mr. Feeney said. "The conference has deep concerns about the Medicare prescription-drug benefits and that we need to get focused on what we stand for as Republicans."

The president's 2005 budget proposed a growth in non-homeland defense discretionary spending of less than one half of 1 percent, an area where most Republican lawmakers want a freeze.

"They certainly talked about fiscal discipline, and the president said this is going to be a tough year," said Mr. Duffy, the White House spokesman. "The highway bill is going to be the first test, and we do have to control spending."

In the days since the president and his top advisers heard the complaints from lawmakers in their own party, the White House position has changed, several members said.

The White House "has told us they will support a freeze if we have the votes, but some of us want the president to take the lead on this," confided a Republican House member who has been negotiating with the administration on the budget.

Many House critics of the Bush immigration plan said privately that the proposal was created to win Mr. Bush a larger share of the Hispanic vote in November and to mollify Mexican President Vicente Fox. Mr. Fox has supported relaxed U.S. immigration laws as a means to alleviate economic problems in Mexico.

Mr. Duffy said the president delivered a passionate defense of his immigration plan, telling the Republican caucus that his policy is not a political ploy.

"He said he didn't do it for politics [but] because that's what he believes is good for the country," Mr. Duffy said, adding that Mr. Bush drove his point home by saying, "I'm from Texas and I know this issue."

Only one congressional Republican at the Philadelphia retreat, Florida Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, spoke in favor of the president's immigration proposal, several members in attendance said.


uhh...don't mess with Texas? :confused:
 
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That is indeed a pretty startling story considering it comes from the Washington Times - aren't they traditionally pretty openly pro-Bush?
 

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Originally posted by: DonVito
That is indeed a pretty startling story considering it comes from the Washington Times - aren't they traditionally pretty openly pro-Bush?

They and the LATIMES were pretty anti-Gore and very pro-Bush during the election but now FOXNEWS says their "liberal" because they are daring to **gasp** report the facts**gasp** related to Bush and his gang of cronies.
 

conjur

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Too visionary a leader?


Sheeeeeeeet


Bush couldn't lead a man dying of thirst to a water hole.
 
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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
New title:
Bush takes heat from GOP for being to moderate on spending and to visionary a leader on immigration.

You are entitled to your opinion, but the GOP has always been oriented toward fiscal responsibility, and this White House has been profligate in its deficit spending. I don't think that meshes well with huge tax cuts during wartime.
 

XMan

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"I would say 97 out of 100 of our members who asked questions laid into him pretty good about spending and the lack of discipline on the administration's part," Mr. Feeney said.

Pot, meet kettle.

Last I checked Congress passed the same budgets that Bush signed . . . maybe when they stop cramming pork barrel projects into spending bills they'll have a leg to stand on . . .

I agree with them about immigration amnesty, though.
 
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You are entitled to your opinion, but the GOP has always been oriented toward fiscal responsibility, and this White House has been profligate in its deficit spending. I don't think that meshes well with huge tax cuts during wartime.
i agree, i wasn't defending that, as i'm not a moderate on spending, only pointing out the fact.

I was defending his truly non-partisan, well thought-out, and good idea for immigration reform, even if you want to attribute the actual ideas to someone else, conjur.
 

DealMonkey

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Spending really is out of control and both the GOP-led Congress and the administration really need to address it.
 

tallest1

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Of course news like this doesn't stop the Bush neocon fanboys from proclaiming that huge deficits and more cheap labor from Mexico is good for the economy.
 
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Originally posted by: tallest1
Of course news like this doesn't stop the Bush neocon fanboys from proclaiming that huge deficits and more cheap labor from Mexico is good for the economy.

interestingly enough, as the Mexicans send money back to Mexico we in the US are greatly helped, while offsetting the inflationary pressures of deficit spending.
 

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Meanwhile, Rove Banks on Victory, Debunks Myths

arl Rove says that Washington is a city of myths - and that the No. 1 myth these days is Mr. Rove.

No, Mr. Rove declared in an interview late on Friday, he is not the brains behind an intellectually challenged president, or the most powerful political consigliere the White House has seen in 50 years, or the shrewdly diabolical power behind the scenes engineering elections, destroying opponents and bringing new meaning to the term hardball politics. "There needs to be a myth by which this town operates, and if you want to believe that, like, the president isn't that smart, you need to find an explanation, like I'm Bush's brain," said Mr. Rove, President Bush's chief political adviser. "If you want to find an easy explanation for why a liberal senator from Georgia is defeated, you get to blame me. Everyone can blame me."

He added: "It's just weird, the stuff I get credit for or blamed for that I just have nothing to do with. The things that people suggest I am saying or advocating, it's just absurd." Asked what he was referring to, Mr. Rove responded: "I'm not going get into it. I read about myself in the newspaper and I say they must be talking about someone else." . . . . .
 

Infohawk

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Connecticut Dubya' is a pluto-fascist. I wish the real conservatives would come back. The ones that wanted smaller government... I rarely voted for them but heck I'll take a Republican over a theocrat anyday.
 

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: tallest1<BR>Of course news like this doesn't stop the Bush neocon fanboys from proclaiming that huge deficits and more cheap labor from Mexico is good for the economy.
<BR><BR>interestingly enough, as the Mexicans send money back to Mexico we in the US are greatly helped, while offsetting the inflationary pressures of deficit spending.

In our current system, illegal immigrants help the global economy no better than Walmart helps the Chinese economy
 

Infohawk

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Somebody asked about the Washington Times. It is a fascist rag not worthy to be used as toilet paper. Owned by Moonies too.
 

burnedout

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Karl Rove:

"Can somebody explain to me why we have one set of rules in America for billionaires who hate this president and another set of rules for everybody else?"
On a related note, former Time magazine senior editor Tim Blair writes:

"Kerry had momentum," sobs some stupid kid, "and now it's gone, all because of a Rove-engineered lie." There, there, little one. The ways of grown-ups are a mystery to you.