GOP senators: US, not Israel, should attack Iran ?if necessary?

[MikeMike]

can we get a non trollish title?

it was stated...

"the sanctions fail, and Iran's going down the road to get a nuclear weapon, any Sunni Arab state that could, would want a nuclear weapon. Israel will be more imperiled. The world will change dramatically for the worst. Military action should be the last resort anyone looks at, and I would rather our allies and us take military action if it's necessary."

IF IT IS NECESSARY... they did NOT call for war with Iran... they called for military action as a LAST RESORT if SANCTIONS FAIL

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
IF IT IS NECESSARY... they did NOT call for war with Iran... they called for military action as a LAST RESORT if SANCTIONS FAIL

How can sanctions not fail?

Regardless, sanctions are an act of war.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
IF IT IS NECESSARY... they did NOT call for war with Iran... they called for military action as a LAST RESORT if SANCTIONS FAIL

How can sanctions not fail?

Regardless, sanctions are an act of war.

so we r just supposed to say "eh it doesnt affect us let them do as they please."?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Sclamoz

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm pretty sure the stern look Obama will give them will solve this crisis.. so I don't think we need to worry.

You and these dipshit senators will be on the frontlines fighting this war I'm sure.

You can count on it. Him, Zendari, and Butterbean will have keyboards in hand. Hell, one of the even fashions themselves a Patranus now so it should be a slam dunk. They are always ready offer up others.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Ummm, sorry, but NOBODY is a threat to us. If necessary 10% of our military could conquer the entire world in less time than we spent in Iraq. We have the entire world combined trumped on military spending and buildup.

The only credible 'threats' to us are terrorist ones, and those cannot be effectively combated with the military since it's an idea and not a nation or a people.

QFT

This isn't true at all. Our military (all of it) could probably defeat the combined armed forces of the rest of the world, depending on the situation. Conquer the rest of the world? Don't make me laugh. We couldn't conquer Iraq.

We were never trying to conquer Iraq...we were trying to subdue and occupy Iraq. HUGE difference.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
IF IT IS NECESSARY... they did NOT call for war with Iran... they called for military action as a LAST RESORT if SANCTIONS FAIL

How can sanctions not fail?

Regardless, sanctions are an act of war.

so we r just supposed to say "eh it doesnt affect us let them do as they please."?

Oh, God forbid we do that. The horror!

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: masteryoda34

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
It's seriously way past time for every politician in the nation to be tried for treason and insanity, and hung in a public ceremony. There's not a one of em left who has the least grasp on sanity, or the brains God gave a kumquat.

Agreed with one exception.

ron paul is the gold standard of insanity (see what i did there?)

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Ummm, sorry, but NOBODY is a threat to us. If necessary 10% of our military could conquer the entire world in less time than we spent in Iraq. We have the entire world combined trumped on military spending and buildup.

The only credible 'threats' to us are terrorist ones, and those cannot be effectively combated with the military since it's an idea and not a nation or a people.

QFT

This isn't true at all. Our military (all of it) could probably defeat the combined armed forces of the rest of the world, depending on the situation. Conquer the rest of the world? Don't make me laugh. We couldn't conquer Iraq.

depends on how far you are willing to go to do it. If you were willing to go Genghis Khan on some civilian populations it might be doable

 

[TheSkinsFan]

He (Sen. Graham) continued: "If the sanctions fail, and Iran's going down the road to get a nuclear weapon, any Sunni Arab state that could, would want a nuclear weapon. Israel will be more imperiled. The world will change dramatically for the worst. Military action should be the last resort anyone looks at, and I would rather our allies and us take military action if it's necessary."

The Senator was simply suggesting a course of action should sanctions and diplomatic efforts eventually fail.

I wholeheartedly disagree with Graham that the U.S. should take the lead in military strikes against Iran, as I believe war with Iran would be an epic mistake, but he did not "call for war with Iran."

The title of this thread makes it a troll post. Please fix it.

 

[dahunan]

Funny thing is.. DUBYA FUCKED us so bad that other nations can sit back and :laugh: when we say we are gonna attack them..

Osama makes Dumbya look like a fucking C- president

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Sclamoz

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm pretty sure the stern look Obama will give them will solve this crisis.. so I don't think we need to worry.

You and these dipshit senators will be on the frontlines fighting this war I'm sure.

You can count on it. Him, Zendari, and Butterbean will have keyboards in hand. Hell, one of the even fashions themselves a Patranus now so it should be a slam dunk. They are always ready offer up others.

Zendari: "I'm sorry General, when I signed up, I thought I could sit in a tent and troll AT P&N all day. I even brought my own keyboard. You mean you want me to get up and fight?!?! I might get hurt!"

Butterbean: "Yeah General, we're just here to troll and win a bet with the lefty wingnuts on AT. Surely you don't want to risk OUR lives, do you???"

 

[Sclamoz]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Sclamoz

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm pretty sure the stern look Obama will give them will solve this crisis.. so I don't think we need to worry.

You and these dipshit senators will be on the frontlines fighting this war I'm sure.

And what if they were. What if me, and these dipshit senators, all agreed that we would go over and attack Iran. Would that be OK then?

Yeah it might almost be worth it. Kill 2 birds w/ one stone so to speak.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm pretty sure the stern look Obama will give them will solve this crisis.. so I don't think we need to worry.

What crisis? Iran is years away from a bomb by our own admission. The US has scant evidence of Iran actually trying to make a nuclear bomb. This situation is about as ideal as you can get to engage and re-establish relations with Iran. Both sides have mistrust, of course, but both sides have been willing to engage each other. And contrary to belief, the Mullahs of Iran are not crazy-insane. Just about every decision they have made is to ensure their own power in the country. They aren't ideal partners, but they aren't Al Qaeda.

I mean compare this to North Korea. NK already has the bomb, is selling the tech to other nations, and has a batshit crazy leader in KJ. And we still want to engage them every chance we get. Why do we want to go to war in Iran, when we can't even say they have the bomb nor the inclination to go for the bomb. Why Iran instead of North Korea? By nearly every standard, North Korea is the bigger threat than Iran.

Ummm, sorry, but NOBODY is a threat to us. If necessary 10% of our military could conquer the entire world in less time than we spent in Iraq. We have the entire world combined trumped on military spending and buildup.

The only credible 'threats' to us are terrorist ones, and those cannot be effectively combated with the military since it's an idea and not a nation or a people.

QFT

Amen to that!

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Ummm, sorry, but NOBODY is a threat to us. If necessary 10% of our military could conquer the entire world in less time than we spent in Iraq. We have the entire world combined trumped on military spending and buildup.

The only credible 'threats' to us are terrorist ones, and those cannot be effectively combated with the military since it's an idea and not a nation or a people.

QFT

This isn't true at all. Our military (all of it) could probably defeat the combined armed forces of the rest of the world, depending on the situation. Conquer the rest of the world? Don't make me laugh. We couldn't conquer Iraq.

Conquering's easy, it's the subsequent fixing that proves harder.

 

[nageov3t]

yes, heaven forbid we actually have a backup plan for dealing with Iran if (when) sanctions and finger wagging fails and they still continue on their course to start building nukes.

I'd be pretty ok with looking the other way while Israel bombs the crap out of their military complex, but Warmonger-in-Chief Bush was always against military action against Iran via Israel.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: loki8481
yes, heaven forbid we actually have a backup plan for dealing with Iran if (when) sanctions and finger wagging fails and they still continue on their course to start building nukes.

I'd be pretty ok with looking the other way while Israel bombs the crap out of their military complex.

Then you will undoubtedly encounter many friends on this forum: a lot of contributors are accustomed to both looking the other way and advocating looking the other way when Israel starts bombing. Sorry that the diplomatic measures are messing with your game plan, but, maybe, just maybe, all those sanctions and wagging fingers will save a few lives.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: loki8481
yes, heaven forbid we actually have a backup plan for dealing with Iran if (when) sanctions and finger wagging fails and they still continue on their course to start building nukes.

I'd be pretty ok with looking the other way while Israel bombs the crap out of their military complex.

Then you will undoubtedly encounter many friends on this forum: a lot of contributors are accustomed to both looking the other way and advocating looking the other way when Israel starts bombing. Sorry that the diplomatic measures are messing with your game plan, but, maybe, just maybe, all those sanctions and wagging fingers will save a few lives.

no doubt, I think it would be awesome if they did... but that doesn't mean we should demonize people who stop to consider what our Plan B should be.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: loki8481
yes, heaven forbid we actually have a backup plan for dealing with Iran if (when) sanctions and finger wagging fails and they still continue on their course to start building nukes.

I'd be pretty ok with looking the other way while Israel bombs the crap out of their military complex.

Then you will undoubtedly encounter many friends on this forum: a lot of contributors are accustomed to both looking the other way and advocating looking the other way when Israel starts bombing. Sorry that the diplomatic measures are messing with your game plan, but, maybe, just maybe, all those sanctions and wagging fingers will save a few lives.

no doubt, I think it would be awesome if they did... but that doesn't mean we should demonize people who stop to consider what our Plan B should be.

It must have taken all of two seconds to come up with that: let's bomb the crap out of them. Sorry, but until all possible alternatives are explored and until it is proven that Iran does in fact represent a threat, I hope that your aspiration figures as Plan F or G, if it even figures at all. Command and Conquer is a good game, but perhaps the strategies of the game are best not applied to international politics.

 

[Jaskalas]

As much as we need to destroy the Iranian government to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, I?m not convinced we have the leadership necessary to do it. Our military, by the example of its efforts, is infested with ass kissing generals and officers who live to appease political whims. That their first priority is not getting the job done, is not preserving the lives of their men, I cannot trust them to embark on any further mission.

I do not trust us to do what is right if we went to war, so I cannot trust us to go to war. Nuclear deterrence is damn important, but we must fight well or not at all.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
As much as we need to destroy the Iranian government to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, I?m not convinced we have the leadership necessary to do it. Our military, by the example of its efforts, is infested with ass kissing generals and officers who live to appease political whims. That their first priority is not getting the job done, is not preserving the lives of their men, I cannot trust them to embark on any further mission.

I do not trust us to do what is right if we went to war, so I cannot trust us to go to war. Nuclear deterrence is damn important, but we must fight well or not at all.

Your reasons for not advocating military action are irrelevant, the fact that you do not wish to enter into another conflict is good enough for me.

 

[Greenman]

Sensational post title not born out by the linked article.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

He (Sen. Graham) continued: "If the sanctions fail, and Iran's going down the road to get a nuclear weapon, any Sunni Arab state that could, would want a nuclear weapon. Israel will be more imperiled. The world will change dramatically for the worst. Military action should be the last resort anyone looks at, and I would rather our allies and us take military action if it's necessary."

The Senator was simply suggesting a course of action should sanctions and diplomatic efforts eventually fail.

I wholeheartedly disagree with Graham that the U.S. should take the lead in military strikes against Iran, as I believe war with Iran would be an epic mistake, but he did not "call for war with Iran."

The title of this thread makes it a troll post. Please fix it.

agreed

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: loki8481
yes, heaven forbid we actually have a backup plan for dealing with Iran if (when) sanctions and finger wagging fails and they still continue on their course to start building nukes.

I'd be pretty ok with looking the other way while Israel bombs the crap out of their military complex.

War bad, proxy war good. Check.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

He (Sen. Graham) continued: "If the sanctions fail, and Iran's going down the road to get a nuclear weapon, any Sunni Arab state that could, would want a nuclear weapon. Israel will be more imperiled. The world will change dramatically for the worst. Military action should be the last resort anyone looks at, and I would rather our allies and us take military action if it's necessary."

The Senator was simply suggesting a course of action should sanctions and diplomatic efforts eventually fail.

I wholeheartedly disagree with Graham that the U.S. should take the lead in military strikes against Iran, as I believe war with Iran would be an epic mistake, but he did not "call for war with Iran."

The title of this thread makes it a troll post. Please fix it.

agreed

QFT x3

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: blanghorst

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Sclamoz

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I'm pretty sure the stern look Obama will give them will solve this crisis.. so I don't think we need to worry.

You and these dipshit senators will be on the frontlines fighting this war I'm sure.

You can count on it. Him, Zendari, and Butterbean will have keyboards in hand. Hell, one of the even fashions themselves a Patranus now so it should be a slam dunk. They are always ready offer up others.

Zendari: "I'm sorry General, when I signed up, I thought I could sit in a tent and troll AT P&N all day. I even brought my own keyboard. You mean you want me to get up and fight?!?! I might get hurt!"

Butterbean: "Yeah General, we're just here to troll and win a bet with the lefty wingnuts on AT. Surely you don't want to risk OUR lives, do you???"

Well played sir!