GOP Senate candidates: Govt will force impregnated rape victims to carry to term

[HomerJS]

Just passing a little information along. Here are a list of Republican candidates for Senate who would use the federal government to prevent impregnated rape victims from getting an abortion. Something all voters should be aware of, esp women.

As of now there are 15. We all know about Aiken and Murdock. Here are the rest.

The political action committee Republican National Coalition for Life submits questionnaires to GOP candidates about their positions on choice issues and then endorses candidates who advocate a strict anti-abortion platform. Selected candidates must be "unconditionally pro-life" and "recognize the inherent right to life of every innocent human being, from conception until natural death, without discrimination."

So far, the group has endorsed 10 such Republican Senate candidates: Akin and Mourdock, as well as George Allen (Va.), Rep. Rick Berg (N.D.), Ted Cruz (Texas), Deb Fischer (Neb.), Sen. Dean Heller (Nev.), Rep. Pete Hoekstra (Mich.), Josh Mandel (R-Ohio) and Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.).

As Slate's William Saletan notes, there are also five other Senate candidates who hold this position: Michael Baumgartner (Wash.), Wendy Long (N.Y.), John MacGovern (Vt.), John Raese (W.Va.) and Tom Smith (Pa.).\

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/richard-mourdock-abortion_n_2018934.html

 

[Doppel]

Fwiw I find a great hypocrisy in a person who is prolife except when rape is involved. They are prolife because the fetus is a human being and killing it is murder, so why is killing it ok just because the mother was raped? Is its life really worth less because she was raped as opposed to it being created when she got piss drunk and did a gangbang?

 

[BoberFett]

Great, now who am I going to vote for in my Vote Across America tour...

 

[HomerJS]

Fwiw I find a great hypocrisy in a person who is prolife except when rape is involved. They are prolife because the fetus is a human being and killing it is murder, so why is killing it ok just because the mother was raped? Is its life really worth less because she was raped as opposed to it being created when she got piss drunk and did a gangbang?

Maybe its the same group of people who are pro-capitalism except when porn is involved.

 

[jackschmittusa]

And in 31 states the rapist can get court mandated visitation rights for the spawn of his crime.

Just imagine what the victim would be put through every week when the scumbag drops by for his visitation. Imagine her nightmares about what kind of influence the asshole will have on the development of the kid.

And the same people that would force her to carry to term wouldn't be willing to help out if having a kid resulted in financial hardship. They want to cut every program she might really need and label her a "taker".

Bunch of heartless, inconsiderate bastards determined to impose their religious beliefs on others regardless of the human cost.

If I sound harsh it's because I'm really coming to the point of despising these people.

 

[ivwshane]

Fwiw I find a great hypocrisy in a person who is prolife except when rape is involved. They are prolife because the fetus is a human being and killing it is murder, so why is killing it ok just because the mother was raped? Is its life really worth less because she was raped as opposed to it being created when she got piss drunk and did a gangbang?

Well if you don't consider the original victim in the equation then I could totally see where you are coming from. Luckily I realize victims shouldn't be punished even more. But I guess I'm just crazy like that!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The problem hard core pro-life people have is if abortions get restricted it needs to be all of them, if exceptions are allowed I'd bet the net abortion rate wouldn't change. Women would simply state its impacting their health or they were assulted by an unknown attacker or some kind of incubus.
Where would pro-life Politicians go from there? Have the women file Police reports and ask the police to track these unknown assailants? Have Doctors certify the pregnancy is dangerous? Does a Judge decide? How long will this process take? Would a local board making decisions be better? what if they still approve all of them locally? Do we track these decisions?
They'd be having these battles while everybody on the other side would simply point out that the net abortion rate has not changed and to reduce it thru laws they will need more laws/government workers to make those decisions for people (not very republican) or simply accept the fact that abortions happen.
Hence the quagmire they're in, its simply easier to say no all abortions.

 

[nehalem256]

Maybe its the same group of people who are pro-capitalism except when porn is involved.

Maybe they have parties with the 99% of pro-choicers who believe a woman has the right to make choices about her body until the fetus reaches a gestational age that they determine makes it not ok.?

 

[3chordcharlie]

By the time the House and Senate got done making backroom deals and changes to get this through, abortions would be illegal only for rape victims.

 

[Emos]

The problem hard core pro-life people have is if abortions get restricted it needs to be all of them, if exceptions are allowed I'd bet the net abortion rate wouldn't change. Women would simply state its impacting their health or they were assulted by an unknown attacker or some kind of incubus.
Where would pro-life Politicians go from there? Have the women file Police reports and ask the police to track these unknown assailants? Have Doctors certify the pregnancy is dangerous? Does a Judge decide? How long will this process take? Would a local board making decisions be better? what if they still approve all of them locally? Do we track these decisions?
They'd be having these battles while everybody on the other side would simply point out that the net abortion rate has not changed and to reduce it thru laws they will need more laws/government workers to make those decisions for people (not very republican) or simply accept the fact that abortions happen.
Hence the quagmire they're in, its simply easier to say no all abortions.

Plus how long would this process take? By the time it takes for the poor women to jump thru those traumatic hoops, it would probably be a late term pregnancy. That's probably their plan to begin with

 

[Paratus]

So now when 9 year olds are raped by their step fathers we can force them to bear his children. The good news is when she dies in child birth from a uterine rupture or placenta previa and the baby dies too, well the rapist killed them during commission of a felony. So murder one and the death penalty baby!

So 3 dead people and the ideology remains pure. It's a Prolife Hat Trick!

(This scenario almost happened in South America where th Catholic Church excommunicated the doctors who performed the abortion on the 9 year old because her life was at risk from her step father rapists baby)

Sleep well Prolifers!

 

[sandorski]

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[nehalem256]

So now when 9 year olds are raped by their step fathers we can force them to bear his children. The good news is when she dies in child birth from a uterine rupture or placenta previa and the baby dies too, well the rapist killed them during commission of a felony. So murder one and the death penalty baby!

So 3 dead people and the ideology remains pure. It's a Prolife Hat Trick!

(This scenario almost happened in South America where th Catholic Church excommunicated the doctors who performed the abortion on the 9 year old because her life was at risk from her step father rapists baby)

Sleep well Prolifers!

I do not see how you could oppose abortion if the life of the mother is legitimately at risk.

 

[Greenman]

How many impregnated rape victims are there in any given year?

 

[Perknose]

How many impregnated rape victims are there in any given year?

Why do you ask? If there are only "a few", does that mean their right not to have take a rape fetus to term is then irrelevant? Seriously, what point are you trying to make with your question?

And please don't respond that you were "just curious." Nobody's buying that. If you were, you would have used google.

 

[nehalem256]

Why do you ask? If there are only "a few", does that mean their right not to have take a rape fetus to term is then irrelevant? Seriously, what point are you trying to make with your question?

And please don't respond that you were "just curious." Nobody's buying that. If you were, you would have used google.

Well the left seems to like to point that there are very few late-term abortions. Isn't fair to ask the same question with regard to rape fetuses?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

85,000 rapes in the US in 2010. Pregnancy rate from rape is about 1 in 15. So, around 5,500 per year.

 

[Paratus]

I do not see how you could oppose abortion if the life of the mother is legitimately at risk.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html

In the Brazil case it was a 9 year old carrying twins. And the Catholic Church tried suing to stop the procedure. They then threatend and carried out excommunication on the family and doctors.

If your question is was her life in danger. Well that's for the doctor to decide.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I don't understand the "against abortion except in the case of rape" logic.

Using the logic of the anti-abortion crowd a life begins at fertilization.

Fertilized egg == Human

Killing Humans is wrong.

Fertilized egg from rape != Human is not logically consistent.

 

[nehalem256]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html

In the Brazil case it was a 9 year old carrying twins. And the Catholic Church tried suing to stop the procedure. They then threatend and carried out excommunication on the family and doctors.

If your question is was her life in danger. Well that's for the doctor to decide.

I think reasonable people would conclude that a 9 year old girl carrying twins is unsafe.

 

[nehalem256]

I don't understand the "against abortion except in the case of rape" logic.

Using the logic of the anti-abortion crowd a life begins at fertilization.

Fertilized egg == Human

Killing Humans is wrong.

Fertilized egg from rape != Human is not logically consistent.

Just like the pro-choicers who claim "Its the woman's body" and we can't tell a woman what to do with her body, that would be slavery.

Until the fetus reaches a certain gestational age determined by the pro-choicer, then it is apparently stops being the woman's body after all :hmm:

 

[dank69]

I think reasonable people would conclude that a 9 year old girl carrying twins is unsafe.

I think reasonable people would conclude that forcing a rape victim to carry the resulting baby to term is inhumane.

 

[Jaskalas]

It's a shame they don't widely use the morning after pill for rape victims. I know they don't, right, cause if they did then this wouldn't be an issue - AT ALL!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The high value question that everyone pro-life & pro-choice is why are there unwanted pregnancies?
Is it young women that can't afford them or can't afford the impact on their lives and why?
Is it unhealthy babies that are so impacted that they'll live a short tortured life? Why are these babies happening?
Are most of them from Mother's whose lives are in danager? What needs to done to fix that?
Is there a social stigma on pregnant women why?
Are these women being raped and why?
Are they using abortion as birth control (which I highly doubt) then why?
Are the amount of abortions being over/under reported?
ect...
These are high value questions that require plans to solve not simple political talking points.
rant done. I'm a guy and I should stop talking about this, men in general should not be part of this discussion. Especially old men.

 

[nehalem256]

The high value question that everyone pro-life & pro-choice is why are there unwanted pregnancies?
Is it young women that can't afford them or can't afford the impact on their lives and why?

This would likely be many of them. Probably because a single mother with no/little job skills cannot support a family.

Is it unhealthy babies that are so impacted that they'll live a short tortured life? Why are these babies happening?

I doubt this is a significant # of abortions. Why do miscarriages happen? It is simply the way of life.

Are most of them from Mother's whose lives are in danager? What needs to done to fix that?

I doubt this is many.

Is it social stigma then why?

Ummm. Social stigma does not lead women to get pregnant and then get abortions.

Are these women being raped and why?

This is not many as shown above.

Are they using abortion as birth control (which I highly doubt) then why?
Are the amount of abortions being over/under reported?
ect...

I would suspect that abortion is much more prevalent when BC was not used.

And that the # of abortions is accurate.

These are high value questions that require plans to solve not simple political talking points.
rant done. I'm a guy and I should stop talking about this, men in general should not be part of this discussion. Especially old men.

Right because men have nothing to do with children. And children are not important to society.

So long as women want men to pay for children (so forever) men should have a voice.