GOP Representative threatens O'Rouke after AR comment

[fskimospy]

No lawful citizens are losing their voting rights. You're pissing into the wind again.

Except of course for that time when Republicans explicitly enacted voting restrictions to stop black people from voting of course. They specifically requested data on how people of various races voted and then passed a law to restrict all the ways black people voted most.

U.S. Appeals Court Strikes Down North Carolina's Voter ID Law

The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the state's law requiring voters to show photo identification. The court found that the Legislature had "discriminatory intent."

www.npr.org

So fine, we won't remove your right to own an AR-15, we'll just put so many roadblocks in your way that it becomes functionally banned. Then nobody's losing their rights!

 

[SlowSpyder]

but you wont prove it with a camera. You wouldnt be the first. Ive done it twice. "Yes nick...."

If you really, really want a picture of one of my guns, I will get you one. I just don't get why this is so hard to believe for you, that I own guns.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Except of course for that time when Republicans explicitly enacted voting restrictions to stop black people from voting of course. They specifically requested data on how people of various races voted and then passed a law to restrict all the ways black people voted most.

U.S. Appeals Court Strikes Down North Carolina's Voter ID Law

The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the state's law requiring voters to show photo identification. The court found that the Legislature had "discriminatory intent."

www.npr.org

So fine, we won't remove your right to own an AR-15, we'll just put so many roadblocks in your way that it becomes functionally banned. Then nobody's losing their rights!

Asking for an ID to vote? SUCH a barrier! What does a state government ID cost today?

 

[JSt0rm]

If you really, really want a picture of one of my guns, I will get you one. I just don't get why this is so hard to believe for you, that I own guns.

You claimed you had a bunch put them all out.

remember handwritten note "yes jstorm, these are my guns"

 

[SlowSpyder]

You claimed you had a bunch put them all out.

remember handwritten note "yes jstorm, these are my guns"

I have a few, a couple of shotguns, a couple of rifles and two handguns (a revolver and scary semiauto). You have an unnatural fascination with my guns.

 

[Skel]

The most popular cartridges on the AR-15 platform.

• .300 Blackout
• 6.5 Grendel
• 6.8 SPC
• .458 SOCOM
• .50 Beowulf

Probably a dozen or more others have been adapted for the platform. Great for hunting animals as small as prairie dogs to the largest of bears.

Where did you pull this incorrect info from?

There is frankly no realistic way we are going to go around and confiscate guns from all those people - specifically because a non-trivial percentage of them are probably fucking crazy. (See: Clan, Bundy)

The most practical way to do it is probably to ban future sales and transfers along with a buyback program to make a present impact.

How are you going to ban sales and transfers if you don't know what's out there? You'd have to catch someone buying a gun like some kind of drug deal. I'm speaking only of the stuff that has serial numbers, as getting into the 'ghost' gun stuff only really is impossible to track. How could you tell who has what as they're only tracking to the first purchaser. You'd have no way of proofing when a gun was sold in the private market.

 

[JSt0rm]

I have a few, a couple of shotguns, a couple of rifles and two handguns (a revolver and scary semiauto). You have an unnatural fascination with my guns.

"yes jst0rm..."

 

[cytg111]

Appreciate the diagnosis. I have a few, one even holds 30+1 rounds, is semiauto, and quickly reloads. Collect yourself and carry on. I use it for putting holes in paper.

Quickly reloads? Really?

 

[SlowSpyder]

"yes jst0rm..."

You still haven't asked nicely.

 

[fskimospy]

Asking for an ID to vote? SUCH a barrier! What does a state government ID cost today?

They requested information on how black people voted most often and then passed a law to restrict those practices.

The appeals court noted that the North Carolina Legislature "requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices" — then, data in hand, "enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans."

The changes to the voting process "target African Americans with almost surgical precision," the circuit court wrote, and "impose cures for problems that did not exist."

Odd that despite the Democrats being The Real Racists that the GOP turned out to be the ones trying to stop people from voting because of their skin color. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

 

[JEDIYoda]

If Beto (or you) want to expend the money and resources diverting police officers so they can go door-to-door to go gather up the guns from tens of thousands if not millions of people who may violently resist having them taken, then I guess you can find out. I'm sure the police officers will be very willing to go along with that plan and subject themselves to that risk hundreds of times over. Just as I'm sure every gun owner would gladly hand over every gun in their possession without hiding them, not to mention that lots of folks would start manufacturing their own. Funny how the same side that typically wants to outlaw guns thinks it's going to be amazingly effective when at the same time they argue that if abortions were outlawed they'd still occur but just wouldn't be as safe. Somehow guns are different though and the bans and door-to-door confiscation will be complied with far more than abortion bans would be. I guess in the mind of progressives they already believe and act like gun owners will be more law abiding and responsible than women would be in the same circumstance.

I guess the better question is for you - if someone said they would be waiting there with their AR if you imposed gun bans and had police going door-to-door to confiscate them, would you still send in the police to retrieve them and get shot up in the process?

All these wasted words just to attempt to turn the question around? I would bet that they would still send in thr authorities and if somebody was shot it would get that much tougher on you gun nutters!!

 

[fskimospy]

How are you going to ban sales and transfers if you don't know what's out there? You'd have to catch someone buying a gun like some kind of drug deal. I'm speaking only of the stuff that has serial numbers, as getting into the 'ghost' gun stuff only really is impossible to track. How could you tell who has what as they're only tracking to the first purchaser. You'd have no way of proofing when a gun was sold in the private market.

You can require all gun sales/transfers go through an FFL holder or some equivalent. It doesn't solve the problem overnight but generally speaking people aren't going to want to risk prison to transfer their guns to someone else so you'll get a steady reduction of who holds them over time.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Wow.... You completely went off the rails lol

of course I did!! You and your imaginary sniper friend....now that is classic!! I`ll have to remember that...…...use an imaginary sniper friend as an expert when you can`t find any links to support your imaginary claim.
Hahahaaaa

 

[JEDIYoda]

No it was a question directed regarding the dummy lawmaker in the original post who said “I’ll be waiting for them with my AR”
What is he going to do when the Police show up? Does he plan on shooting them?
Slow had a similarly vague comment earlier that I wanted to give him a chance to clear up.

You see it is pointless to argue or even try to discudd the issue with these people, because when cornered they accuse you of being frightened and they start to try to turn your argument against you and then as a last resort they use imaginary friends and I am quite surprised that none of these gun nutters have said they had a dream or that the Holy Spirit told them to say...anyways you get it!! Peace!!

 

[Skel]

You can require all gun sales/transfers go through an FFL holder or some equivalent. It doesn't solve the problem overnight but generally speaking people aren't going to want to risk prison to transfer their guns to someone else so you'll get a steady reduction of who holds them over time.

I guess? You have a more optimistic view of people than I do. I'm not trying to be a naysayer here, at least you're attempting to sort out one of the biggest issues in removing guns, I just can't get my head around how well it would work.

of course I did!! You and your imaginary sniper friend....now that is classic!! I`ll have to remember that...…...use an imaginary sniper friend as an expert when you can`t find any links to support your imaginary claim.
Hahahaaaa

Mall Ninjas need love too..

 

[cytg111]

You still haven't asked nicely.

You have never cleaned a gun in your life.

 

[blackangst1]

You can require all gun sales/transfers go through an FFL holder or some equivalent. It doesn't solve the problem overnight but generally speaking people aren't going to want to risk prison to transfer their guns to someone else so you'll get a steady reduction of who holds them over time.

And you think people would comply? Sure some will, but the hands of those whom you want to keep guns out of won't. Therefore, this requirement would simply affect legal honest gun owners only.

It'll make you feel good though, so there's that.

edit: also, the number gun owners has decreased over the last decade or two.

 

[fskimospy]

And you think people would comply? Sure some will, but the hands of those whom you want to keep guns out of won't. Therefore, this requirement would simply aggressively legal honest gun owners only.

By this logic we shouldn't have any laws because criminals won't obey them and they only restrict law abiding people. Does that sound like a good argument to you?

It'll make you feel good though, so there's that.

It won't make me feel either good or bad, it's just probably the most effective way to move forward. The idea that gun laws are magically impossible to enforce in America despite them being perfectly effective in large parts of the developed world and that nothing can be done is similar to the arguments I see about, well, basically anything conservatives don't like.

 

[blackangst1]

of course I did!! You and your imaginary sniper friend....now that is classic!! I`ll have to remember that...…...use an imaginary sniper friend as an expert when you can`t find any links to support your imaginary claim.
Hahahaaaa

I love this post LOL Youre completely spun out of control with all your exclamation points! Dont pop a capillary!

 

[blackangst1]

By this logic we shouldn't have any laws because criminals won't obey them and they only restrict law abiding people. Does that sound like a good argument to you?

Sorry, but I dont subscribe to the believe that more laws make us safer. Its not that simple. Im for common sense gun laws (Ive explained what I believe in the last few months in youre interested) but this proposal of yours is just dumb.

Name one mass shooting recently this law would have prevented.

It won't make me feel either good or bad, it's just probably the most effective way to move forward. The idea that gun laws are magically impossible to enforce in America despite them being perfectly effective in large parts of the developed world and that nothing can be done is similar to the arguments I see about, well, basically anything conservatives don't like.

See, you know nothing about conservatives. You think all conservative want free for all gun ownership. You likely think thats what the NRA wants also. Sure, theres a small group of people who think that, but in no way is it the majority. All you believe is what your liberal friends tell you.

Oh and "most effective"? HAHAHAHA effective at what? Getting guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for nefarious purposes? Walk me through that, would you?

 

[dainthomas]

And you think people would comply? Sure some will, but the hands of those whom you want to keep guns out of won't. Therefore, this requirement would simply affect legal honest gun owners only.

It'll make you feel good though, so there's that.

edit: also, the number gun owners has decreased over the last decade or two.

Ah, the old "some people break laws so we shouldn't have laws" chestnut. My favorite.

 

[fskimospy]

Sorry, but I dont subscribe to the believe that more laws make us safer. Its not that simple. Im for common sense gun laws (Ive explained what I believe in the last few months in youre interested) but this proposal of yours is just dumb.

Name one mass shooting recently this law would have prevented.

Why would that be the metric? Mass shootings are way over-represented in how we think about gun violence, what we should really be working to limit is the daily grind of handgun deaths. And while your argument of 'this is dumb' is compelling and all you're going to need to explain exactly why it is dumb. After all, gun ownership is a risk factor for both homicide and suicide even after controlling for all other measurable, relevant factors. Fewer guns benefits everyone.

See, you know nothing about conservatives. You think all conservative want free for all gun ownership. You likely think thats what the NRA wants also. Sure, theres a small group of people who think that, but in no way is it the majority. All you believe is what your liberal friends tell you.

I didn't say anything about what conservatives wanted in terms of policy - why are you inventing things for me to believe other than to cover for the weakness of your argument? It is ironic that you just stereotyped what you think my liberal friends believe though, especially since not one of them I know actually believes that. I certainly don't.

Oh and "most effective"? HAHAHAHA effective at what? Getting guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for nefarious purposes? Walk me through that, would you?

Plenty of guns are in the hands of people who have no intent to use them for nefarious purposes right up until the point that they do. Regardless, plenty of (most?) illegally owned guns were originally purchased legally. Tracking gun ownership makes it much more difficult to legally purchase a gun and then transfer it to a 'bad guy'.

The sort of restrictions I'm talking about have been implemented and are effective in other developed nations. If you want to declare America to be magically special in this regard you're going to need to provide evidence.

 

[fskimospy]

Ah, the old "some people break laws so we shouldn't have laws" chestnut. My favorite.

It is simply amazing how often I hear this argument despite its absolute silliness.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You have never cleaned a gun in your life.

Yes I have. Plenty.

 

[dainthomas]

It is simply amazing how often I hear this argument despite its absolute silliness.

Curious how we never hear it wrt abortion.