GOP Representative threatens O'Rouke after AR comment

[SlowSpyder]

Sorry I don’t understand, I’ve typed poorly on these forums too.

What I'm getting at is the police may not be as willing to go confiscate guns from people they know are very passionate about their right to own guns. Some police may in fact be part of that crowd and not wish to support such a tyrannical anti-freedom measure. I really don't think confiscating guns will be easy or straight forward. We've already seen it and the law didn't approach confiscation.

Was what I typed originally really that hard to understand? Or are you just being edgy, like Beto when he cusses?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Georgia homeowner fatally shoots 3 teens in masks who tried to rob him, sheriff's office says

A Georgia homeowner fatally shot three teenagers who were seemingly trying to rob him and two others on Monday night, officials said.

www.foxnews.com

I wonder how many future violent crimes were just stopped? The stats won't show that though.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What I'm getting at is the police may not be as willing to go confiscate guns from people they know are very passionate about their right to own guns. Some police may in fact be part of that crowd and not wish to support such a tyrannical anti-freedom measure. I really don't think confiscating guns will be easy or straight forward. We've already seen it and the law didn't approach confiscation.

Was what I typed originally really that hard to understand? Or are you just being edgy, like Beto when he cusses?

They may not and Police are a local power, I’m just using them as an example.
Could be any organization knocking on doors. Could be different organizations for different States or locations. Who does the knocking is irrelevant in the discussion.

 

[Jhhnn]

The point is that guns with detachable magazines in semi-auto are widely available. Focusing on the AR15 won't do anything as there are many other semi-auto choices with detachable magazines.

You have no point other than quibbling. Any ban would include military style carbines within the general design envelope for such weapons. The AWB defined it pretty well-

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SlowSpyder]

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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The previous AWB is exactly why I'm not giving away any more of my gun rights. That achieved nothing but harmed lawful gun owners. Anti-2A'ers can't even speak intelligently on the subject, yet they're going to come up with the rules regarding what is allowed and what is not? Beto is selling you lunacy that you want to hear.

 

[SlowSpyder]

They may not and Police are a local power, I’m just using them as an example.
Could be any organization knocking on doors. Could be different organizations for different States or locations. Who does the knocking is irrelevant in the discussion.

Well, if it ever got to the point, I don't think a gun confiscation will go as well as you seem to think it would. I don't see it ending peacefully on a large scale, but I guess we won't know until it is tried. Luckily liberals are mostly scared of the world outside their mom's basement.

 

[fskimospy]

Dunno. My thoughts are fighting it alone is a sure way to lose and lose big. If the mandatory buy back / ban would be announced, I'll have to see if pro-2A'ers start banding together, demonstrating, refusing to obey, if there are enough gun owners willing to risk that much. We have roughly 100 million gun owners in America, but I'm not sure what percentage of that is willing to fight to that extent for their 2A rights. I think the only way to fight such a tyrannical anti-Bill of Rights move by the anti-2A'ers is in strength in numbers. That's why the NRA, while far from perfect, is still the go-to organization for gun rights... they have millions of members.

You’re overestimating the number of gun owners by about 40 million, just so you know.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You’re overestimating the number of gun owners by about 40 million, just so you know.

The estimates that I have seen mentioned are 80-100 million gun owners in America.

 

[Jhhnn]

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The previous AWB is exactly why I'm not giving away any more of my gun rights. That achieved nothing but harmed lawful gun owners. Anti-2A'ers can't even speak intelligently on the subject, yet they're going to come up with the rules regarding what is allowed and what is not? Beto is selling you lunacy that you want to hear.
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What harm do you speak of, Kimosabe? They got to keep what they had & a wide variety of firearms remained available OTC. The resale value of such weapons also increased.

As an aside, do you fondle your bayonet lug?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well, if it ever got to the point, I don't think a gun confiscation will go as well as you seem to think it would. I don't see it ending peacefully on a large scale, but I guess we won't know until it is tried. Luckily liberals are mostly scared of the world outside their mom's basement.

I know highly hypothetical question and realistically it would be some sort or tax that needs to be paid and the tax keeps increasing until the guns are turned in.

The extreme route as in everything goes to hell because of all of our one sided world would be you get an order to turn in your guns if ignored you get a door knock, if ignored someone comes and bulldozes your house.

 

[fskimospy]

The estimates that I have seen mentioned are 80-100 million gun owners in America.

Yes, those numbers usually refer to people ‘living with a gun’, which includes non-owning adults who live in the same house (dumb) or sometimes even the children of gun owners (wildly dishonest).

The real number is somewhere around 1/3 of adults, or 60 something million.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yes, those numbers usually refer to people ‘living with a gun’, which includes non-owning adults who live in the same house (dumb) or sometimes even the children of gun owners (wildly dishonest).

The real number is somewhere around 1/3 of adults, or 60 something million.

The US population is just under 330 million. Of that ~74 million are under 18. A third of 250+ million people is greater than 60 million.

I believe it is likely higher than 60 million, but there really isn't a way to know I guess.

 

[Skel]

Yes, those numbers usually refer to people ‘living with a gun’, which includes non-owning adults who live in the same house (dumb) or sometimes even the children of gun owners (wildly dishonest).

The real number is somewhere around 1/3 of adults, or 60 something million.

You have a link on that? While I'm not saying you're wrong, I just can't see how we'd know if we're not allowed to track them.

 

[fskimospy]

You have a link on that? While I'm not saying you're wrong, I just can't see how we'd know if we're not allowed to track them.

Pew and the General Social Survey. Pew has it a bit higher, and while I can't find a direct link to GSS data they have personal ownership (meaning you own it, not just live in a house with one) somewhere in the 20%s for adults.

Key facts about Americans and guns

Here are some key findings about Americans’ attitudes about gun violence, gun policy and other subjects, drawn from recent surveys.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[JSt0rm]

When you can ask nicely.

you are full of shit.

 

[SlowSpyder]

you are full of shit.

I don't see why this is such a hard thing for you to believe. What is outlandish to you? That I own guns? I really am confused. Do you see the posts right above? While we all have different numbers, it is obvious that a significant chunk of the adult population own guns. I am part of that group of people, gun owners.

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah I bet you prefer the penis belonging to Beto and swoon over someone "brave" enough to call for taking away guns so you can feel safer.

You'd be wrong but I bet you love being the authoritarian type who loves putting your boot on the neck of others.

 

[glenn1]

You'd be wrong but I bet you love being the authoritarian type who loves putting your boot on the neck of others.

You're the one surveying how many folks would shoot at police officers trying to disarm citizens if you got your way, that sort of "how many deaths can I cause in pursuit of my policy" is way more authoritarian. Not to mention sending police door to door to confiscate weapons sounds like a prime example of "putting your boot on the neck of others" since presumably the police will be empowered to shoot at the non-compliant to enforce the confiscation. How many would you be willing to have killed (citizens or police) as a direct result of your policy to have your "gun free" dream come true? If we go with the @fskimospy number of about 60mm gun owners that's a lot of folks who could refuse and lead to shootouts when that knock on the door happens.

 

[fskimospy]

You're the one surveying how many folks would shoot at police officers trying to disarm citizens if you got your way, that sort of "how many deaths can I cause in pursuit of my policy" is way more authoritarian. Not to mention sending police door to door to confiscate weapons sounds like a prime example of "putting your boot on the neck of others" since presumably the police will be empowered to shoot at the non-compliant to enforce the confiscation. How many would you be willing to have killed (citizens or police) as a direct result of your policy to have your "gun free" dream come true? If we go with the @fskimospy number of about 60mm gun owners that's a lot of folks who could refuse and lead to shootouts when that knock on the door happens.

There is frankly no realistic way we are going to go around and confiscate guns from all those people - specifically because a non-trivial percentage of them are probably fucking crazy. (See: Clan, Bundy)

The most practical way to do it is probably to ban future sales and transfers along with a buyback program to make a present impact.

 

[cytg111]

It is ok to fight for our constitutional rights. That is how this country was born. I bet it won't be Beto going around taking guns, but easy to say it.

SO .. for ALL those people finding themselves subject to GOP voter suppression .... How do you feel they should go about their business? Give us some options before and after their AR's are taken away.
Idiots.

 

[cytg111]

You're the one surveying how many folks would shoot at police officers trying to disarm citizens if you got your way, that sort of "how many deaths can I cause in pursuit of my policy" is way more authoritarian. Not to mention sending police door to door to confiscate weapons sounds like a prime example of "putting your boot on the neck of others" since presumably the police will be empowered to shoot at the non-compliant to enforce the confiscation. How many would you be willing to have killed (citizens or police) as a direct result of your policy to have your "gun free" dream come true? If we go with the @fskimospy number of about 60mm gun owners that's a lot of folks who could refuse and lead to shootouts when that knock on the door happens.

What?

 

[SlowSpyder]

SO .. for ALL those people finding themselves subject to GOP voter suppression .... How do you feel they should go about their business? Give us some options before and after their AR's are taken away.
Idiots.

No lawful citizens are losing their voting rights. You're pissing into the wind again.

 

[JSt0rm]

I don't see why this is such a hard thing for you to believe. What is outlandish to you? That I own guns? I really am confused. Do you see the posts right above? While we all have different numbers, it is obvious that a significant chunk of the adult population own guns. I am part of that group of people, gun owners.

You dont have a camera a piece of paper and a pen? Prove it. You worthless fuck. Everything you type is a lie. prove that it isnt.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You dont have a camera a piece of paper and a pen? Prove it. You worthless fuck. Everything you type is a lie. prove that it isnt.

I've not lied here once.

 

[JSt0rm]

I've not lied here once.

but you wont prove it with a camera. You wouldnt be the first. Ive done it twice. "Yes nick...."