GOP Representative threatens O'Rouke after AR comment

[JEDIYoda]

Ever talked to a special forces sniper? Most use bolt action. I personally know two that do.

I bet you do!! But they use bolt action for reasons that have nothing to do with your reasons!@!
You obviously have NOT talked to a special forces sniper!!
There choice of weapon is soley based on one factor and one factor alone -- RELIABILITY!! That choice has nothing to do with
You obviously don`t know anything about military sniper!! All you are doing is blowing smoke up peoples asses!!
Military Snipers don`t use bolt action rifles for the reasons that you stated!
They use bolt action rifles for several reasons and none of them are for the reason you stated!
None of the reasons include how deadly the weapon can be...…..
The name of the sniping game is -- Reliability,reliaboilty and reliability!! Not that the weapon is deadly, deadly and even more deadly!
I posted excerpts from a link and I put the link at the bottom of the post!!
For the true sniper, rather than a Designated Marksman, a turnbolt rifle offers several advantages:

1: A bolt action rifle is generally more rugged overall and this helps the sniper by letting him crawl or otherwise make his way into position without beating the rifle up too much or allowing it to be damaged in any way that’s likely to affect its accuracy. Most of the autoloaders were designed to be infantry rifles and often were built with aluminum alloys and other weight saving measures. This may not affect the infantry so much, but can cause a problem for the sniper who generally still needs hair-splitting accuracy even after the rifle may have been subjected to some abuse in the name of accessing a location and trying to stay hidden from view while doing so.

2: The bolt action rifle usually has all steel components and is extremely rigid when the bolt is locked closed. When fired, the firing pin impacts the primer of the chambered cartridge and that’s about it. Nothing else on the rifle moves until the trigger is released after the bullet has left the muzzle. The autoloaders of the world generally weren’t intended to be used for sniping and being stout wasn’t necessarily part of their design concept. Many have an upper and lower receiver and a little bit of movement between the two is quite common with any degree of use and wear. This is not conducive to fine shooting accuracy demanded by the sniper, but doesn’t pose much of a problem for the typical soldier.

3: Autoloaders can malfunction in several different ways, where there is very little that can go awry with a bolt action rifle. An autoloader can fail to feed, fail to extract, and fail to fire. A bolt action rifle will sometimes fail to fire, but seldom has problems with feeding or extraction compared to an autoloader. An infantryman can clear most malfunctions with relative ease, but a sniper is trying to stay hidden and fixing a fouled up rifle with very minimal movement is quite difficult. Carefully manipulating a bolt handle while remaining hidden is much easier!

Why does the military use bolt action sniper rifles over semi-automatic sniper rifles?

Answer (1 of 32): Well the military does have semi-auto sniper rifles, but if you are asking why do they choose bolt action over semi-auto for some missions, there could be several reasons, but it usually comes down to the range of the target. When shooting a long distances, (600–1500M), hundred...

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

My father cut his thumb on a K-ration........is that a "wound of war"?

you're so fucking stupid. Or maybe it's all the concussive damage your brain has taken from bombing kids

 

[glenn1]

That's ridiculous. If AR's & AK's weren't more deadly than bolt & lever action rifles then world militaries never would have developed them.

The action type isn't what makes them deadly or drive their adoption among militaries any more than automatic transmission cars are "more deadly" than stick shift cars. "Deadliness" is a function of accuracy and ballistics load at impact, so all things being equal a bolt action will typically be "more deadly" since they are typically built for higher caliber rounds like .308 or .30-06 rather than an automatic (where .223 is by far the dominant choice).

Bolt action is more accurate, dirt simple to use, more tolerant of mishandling and lack of cleaning, accepts almost any ammunition caliber, and offers many other advantages. Automatic action, while more trouble prone (subject to stovepipes, etc.) and tolerating less abuse than bolt action, offers a higher rate of cyclical fire where rate of fire is more important than accuracy. That's especially true when firing in burst mode or full auto where your accuracy goes to shit almost instantly. Not a good thing if you're shooting at a deer, fine if you blow through a 20 round mag laying down suppressive fire in combat.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Thank you for reminding me that there is an ignore button on anandtech.

My pleasure.

 

[glenn1]

I bet you do!! But they use bolt action for reasons that have nothing to do with your reasons!@!
You obviously have NOT talked to a special forces sniper!!
There choice of weapon is soley based on one factor and one factor alone -- RELIABILITY!! That choice has nothing to do with
You obviously don`t know anything about military sniper!! All you are doing is blowing smoke up peoples asses!!
Military Snipers don`t use bolt action rifles for the reasons that you stated!
They use bolt action rifles for several reasons and none of them are for the reason you stated!
None of the reasons include how deadly the weapon can be...…..
The name of the sniping game is -- Reliability,reliaboilty and reliability!! Not that the weapon is deadly, deadly and even more deadly!
I posted excerpts from a link and I put the link at the bottom of the post!!
For the true sniper, rather than a Designated Marksman, a turnbolt rifle offers several advantages:

1: A bolt action rifle is generally more rugged overall and this helps the sniper by letting him crawl or otherwise make his way into position without beating the rifle up too much or allowing it to be damaged in any way that’s likely to affect its accuracy. Most of the autoloaders were designed to be infantry rifles and often were built with aluminum alloys and other weight saving measures. This may not affect the infantry so much, but can cause a problem for the sniper who generally still needs hair-splitting accuracy even after the rifle may have been subjected to some abuse in the name of accessing a location and trying to stay hidden from view while doing so.

2: The bolt action rifle usually has all steel components and is extremely rigid when the bolt is locked closed. When fired, the firing pin impacts the primer of the chambered cartridge and that’s about it. Nothing else on the rifle moves until the trigger is released after the bullet has left the muzzle. The autoloaders of the world generally weren’t intended to be used for sniping and being stout wasn’t necessarily part of their design concept. Many have an upper and lower receiver and a little bit of movement between the two is quite common with any degree of use and wear. This is not conducive to fine shooting accuracy demanded by the sniper, but doesn’t pose much of a problem for the typical soldier.

3: Autoloaders can malfunction in several different ways, where there is very little that can go awry with a bolt action rifle. An autoloader can fail to feed, fail to extract, and fail to fire. A bolt action rifle will sometimes fail to fire, but seldom has problems with feeding or extraction compared to an autoloader. An infantryman can clear most malfunctions with relative ease, but a sniper is trying to stay hidden and fixing a fouled up rifle with very minimal movement is quite difficult. Carefully manipulating a bolt handle while remaining hidden is much easier!

Why does the military use bolt action sniper rifles over semi-automatic sniper rifles?

Answer (1 of 32): Well the military does have semi-auto sniper rifles, but if you are asking why do they choose bolt action over semi-auto for some missions, there could be several reasons, but it usually comes down to the range of the target. When shooting a long distances, (600–1500M), hundred...

www.quora.com

I have talked to SF snipers since I served in a SF unit and at least one guy on my team was sniper qualified and I personally know and went on missions with several others. There's more than just reliability although as you point out that is a factor. Accuracy is a big one which bolt action features over automatics. Bolt actions are also more typically chambered for higher caliber rounds such as the .308 or .338 Laputa than autos which are typically (but not always) .223 NATO. Since range is an important consideration, using a flatter trajectory round with a longer maximum effective range is a huge consideration. That being said it's not like "sniper" is some special MOS code that gets its own TOE equipment that's always a bolt action. The armory does have and sometimes uses automatics like the SPR or M1 Garand variants and now increasingly I guess the guys are getting M110 semiautos. I've been out for a while so no idea how the boys feel about them.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I have talked to SF snipers since I served in a SF unit and at least one guy on my team was sniper qualified and I personally know and went on missions with several others. There's more than just reliability although as you point out that is a factor. Accuracy is a big one which bolt action features over automatics. Bolt actions are also more typically chambered for higher caliber rounds such as the .308 or .338 Laputa than autos which are typically (but not always) .223 NATO. Since range is an important consideration, using a flatter trajectory round with a longer maximum effective range is a huge consideration. That being said it's not like "sniper" is some special MOS code that gets its own TOE equipment that's always a bolt action. The armory does have and sometimes uses automatics like the SPR or M1 Garand variants and now increasingly I guess the guys are getting M110 semiautos. I've been out for a while so no idea how the boys feel about them.

Thats all well and good! You posted nothing that I did not already know, my main point was these rifles are usually single shot rifles and as such they have nothing to do with the issues concerning the abundance of automatic weapons!! It was just another attempt to divert from the actual subject!!
How often do you cover blackangst1 `s ass? I get of like minds!!
Peace

 

[glenn1]

Thats all well and good! You posted nothing that I did not already know, my main point was these rifles are usually single shot rifles and as such they have nothing to do with the issues concerning the abundance of automatic weapons!! It was just another attempt to divert from the actual subject!!
How often do you cover blackangst1 `s ass? I get of like minds!!
Peace

You should really take some meds so that you don’t stroke out with all that anger you seem to be repressing.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ever talked to a special forces sniper? Most use bolt action. I personally know two that do.

Please. Snipers are specialists requiring specialized weapons. The 5.56x45 doesn't have the range. The vast majority of US & NATO riflemen carry some 5.56 variant.

 

[Jhhnn]

But an AR isn't more deadly than something like a Ruger Min-14. But, Beto would still ban AR-15's if he could and I hear some here discussing semi-auto band altogether. I don't deny that semi-auto is more deadly, my comment was about AR-15's there. They are not more deadly than many other semi auto rifles, they're just a very popular platform where ammo and accessories like magazines are inexpensive and easily available.

You're such an idiot. a mini-14 is the same kind of weapon & used by militaries around the world. Steyr, FN & others make their own variations, as well.

Poh-tay-toh, poh-tah-toh.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don`t get how this spiraled down into discussion as to what is more or less deadly?? We all can agree that most single shot weapons should not even be dicussed as far as gun ownership!!
Whats idiot who wants to kill a lot of people is going to go around killing people one freakin shot at atime??
Sheese even when confronted with the prospect od an auto matic seapon being confiscated you idiots hunker down and start to cry foul!!
Which is basically an indication that regardless on what a militia is, it really is not about being a part of a militia. It`s all about the freakin gunz!!
Quite a few of you will be butt hurt when that dreaded knock on the door takes place asking for your automatic weapon!
Let me point out there are no degrees of killing! Once you are shot and killed, you are dead! It does not matter if you use a deadly weapon or a deadlier weapon!!

 

[blackangst1]

I bet you do!! But they use bolt action for reasons that have nothing to do with your reasons!@!
You obviously have NOT talked to a special forces sniper!!
There choice of weapon is soley based on one factor and one factor alone -- RELIABILITY!! That choice has nothing to do with
You obviously don`t know anything about military sniper!! All you are doing is blowing smoke up peoples asses!!
Military Snipers don`t use bolt action rifles for the reasons that you stated!
They use bolt action rifles for several reasons and none of them are for the reason you stated!
None of the reasons include how deadly the weapon can be...…..
The name of the sniping game is -- Reliability,reliaboilty and reliability!! Not that the weapon is deadly, deadly and even more deadly!
I posted excerpts from a link and I put the link at the bottom of the post!!
For the true sniper, rather than a Designated Marksman, a turnbolt rifle offers several advantages:

1: A bolt action rifle is generally more rugged overall and this helps the sniper by letting him crawl or otherwise make his way into position without beating the rifle up too much or allowing it to be damaged in any way that’s likely to affect its accuracy. Most of the autoloaders were designed to be infantry rifles and often were built with aluminum alloys and other weight saving measures. This may not affect the infantry so much, but can cause a problem for the sniper who generally still needs hair-splitting accuracy even after the rifle may have been subjected to some abuse in the name of accessing a location and trying to stay hidden from view while doing so.

2: The bolt action rifle usually has all steel components and is extremely rigid when the bolt is locked closed. When fired, the firing pin impacts the primer of the chambered cartridge and that’s about it. Nothing else on the rifle moves until the trigger is released after the bullet has left the muzzle. The autoloaders of the world generally weren’t intended to be used for sniping and being stout wasn’t necessarily part of their design concept. Many have an upper and lower receiver and a little bit of movement between the two is quite common with any degree of use and wear. This is not conducive to fine shooting accuracy demanded by the sniper, but doesn’t pose much of a problem for the typical soldier.

3: Autoloaders can malfunction in several different ways, where there is very little that can go awry with a bolt action rifle. An autoloader can fail to feed, fail to extract, and fail to fire. A bolt action rifle will sometimes fail to fire, but seldom has problems with feeding or extraction compared to an autoloader. An infantryman can clear most malfunctions with relative ease, but a sniper is trying to stay hidden and fixing a fouled up rifle with very minimal movement is quite difficult. Carefully manipulating a bolt handle while remaining hidden is much easier!

Why does the military use bolt action sniper rifles over semi-automatic sniper rifles?

Answer (1 of 32): Well the military does have semi-auto sniper rifles, but if you are asking why do they choose bolt action over semi-auto for some missions, there could be several reasons, but it usually comes down to the range of the target. When shooting a long distances, (600–1500M), hundred...

www.quora.com

Man you suck at reading

lmao

Edit
Just forwarded your post to a friend in 316th Natl Gaurd (sniper squad) his reply: lol gotta love armchair specialists



Hahhaahhahaha

 

[blackangst1]

Please. Snipers are specialists requiring specialized weapons. The 5.56x45 doesn't have the range. The vast majority of US & NATO riflemen carry some 5.56 variant.

And yet NOT the most common round in AR15.

Anyway. Carry on. They aren't going to bed banned.

 

[Jhhnn]

And yet NOT the most common round in AR15.

I defy you to back up that assertion. I don't think you can.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Man you suck at reading

lmao

Edit
Just forwarded your post to a friend in 316th Natl Gaurd (sniper squad) his reply: lol gotta love armchair specialists



Hahhaahhahaha

I seriously doubt that have any friends! It is always easier to attack somebody when you have nothing further to contribute to a thread!!
In the same mannrer as you I could always claim that I showed your comments to my sniper friends and they all started laughing!!
Again is that the absolute best you can do? or are you just trying to waste everybody`s time??
Actually I have come to expect baseless responses by you!!

 

[shortylickens]

And yet NOT the most common round in AR15.

Anyway. Carry on. They aren't going to bed banned.

From where are you getting your data?

 

[blackangst1]

I seriously doubt that have any friends! It is always easier to attack somebody when you have nothing further to contribute to a thread!!
In the same mannrer as you I could always claim that I showed your comments to my sniper friends and they all started laughing!!
Again is that the absolute best you can do? or are you just trying to waste everybody`s time??
Actually I have come to expect baseless responses by you!!

Ok champ. No skin off my chin. Other than reinforcing what a fucking moron you are.

Rage on fool.

 

[JEDIYoda]

From where are you getting your data?

he is blowing smoke up your ass!! His response will be from his imaginary Sniper friend....lolol
His imaginary Sniper friend is probably unemployed....you know what good is a sniper if they can`t hit their target...hahahaa

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I don`t get how this spiraled down into discussion as to what is more or less deadly?? We all can agree that most single shot weapons should not even be dicussed as far as gun ownership!!
Whats idiot who wants to kill a lot of people is going to go around killing people one freakin shot at atime??
Sheese even when confronted with the prospect od an auto matic seapon being confiscated you idiots hunker down and start to cry foul!!
Which is basically an indication that regardless on what a militia is, it really is not about being a part of a militia. It`s all about the freakin gunz!!
Quite a few of you will be butt hurt when that dreaded knock on the door takes place asking for your automatic weapon!
Let me point out there are no degrees of killing! Once you are shot and killed, you are dead! It does not matter if you use a deadly weapon or a deadlier weapon!!

or a brick, a rock, a stick, a knife, a car, a gun, medical error, electrocution, falling or drowning. The big difference is only one of those is Constitutional protected. Can you tell me which one?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Ok champ. No skin off my chin. Other than reinforcing what a fucking moron you are.

Rage on fool.

You would think that by now you would grow tired of me handing your ass to you!!!
Tell your imaginary sniper friend -- Bang!! TRIGGERED!!
If thisw was a thread about surgery you would have an imaginary friend who is a surgeon!
If this was a thread about nuclear fussion you would have an imaginary friend who is a nuclear physicist...carry champ!!

 

[blackangst1]

I defy you to back up that assertion. I don't think you can.

Eh 5.56 is popular. Maybe most. Was thinking. 300. Could be close 2nd. I'll walk back my statement.

 

[JEDIYoda]

or a brick, a rock, a stick, a knife, a car, a gun, medical error, electrocution, falling or drowning. The big difference is only one of those is Constitutional protected. Can you tell me which one?

Now we go full circle......you all conveniently leave out the part about forming a militia....but thats ok!1 Yhis subject will keep going in cirlces until one day when you least expect somebody will have the balls to iether do away with the 2nd amendment via another amendment or somebody will have to balls to venture out into the argument concerning automatic weapons verses single shot!!
Carry on !!

 

[blackangst1]

he is blowing smoke up your ass!! His response will be from his imaginary Sniper friend....lolol
His imaginary Sniper friend is probably unemployed....you know what good is a sniper if they can`t hit their target...hahahaa

Snipers don't use ar15s lol

 

[JEDIYoda]

Eh 5.56 is popular. Maybe most. Was thinking. 300. Could be close 2nd. I'll walk back my statement.

Total BS onj your part....rolf…..
Why did you walk back your statement? Did you talk with your imaginary sniper friend?? hahaaa

 

[blackangst1]

You would think that by now you would grow tired of me handing your ass to you!!!
Tell your imaginary sniper friend -- Bang!! TRIGGERED!!
If thisw was a thread about surgery you would have an imaginary friend who is a surgeon!
If this was a thread about nuclear fussion you would have an imaginary friend who is a nuclear physicist...carry champ!!

Tell you what. If you don't believe me, pm me your number I'll conference in my buddy. Up to you.

 

[shortylickens]

I think there may be some misinformation in this thread......