GOP Rep. Trent Franks Considering Obama Citizenship Lawsuit

[Moonbeam]

The wonderful thing about Obama's long form is that we can't actually see it so we get to project on it what we think it says. In this way we can separate the malicious swine from the charitable and the indifferent. I couldn't give a fuck where Obama was born. If he was born in Kenya he sure as hell doesn't remember and he isn't any more Kenyan than I am. He has been an American all his conscious life and that what the founding father's were worried about electing a foreigner. You fuckers that want your pound of flesh are morons.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Show link to that Birth certi. Lets see if its got all the info a birth record from 1951 has. Hospital time of birth attending Doctor. Whats the problem with Obama showing this thing . I have had show mine a few times threw life . Whats th problem with showing this thing . Thats the real question . Just show the real birth certif. End of problem unless there is a problem . They are acting guility about this . How should people react.

Not that it matters. I always wondered if there was a lower man than Bush . Obama so low he needs latter to rub snakes stomach.

So he can use this "birther" issue to demean the GOP and point and say "look at those cray people" (and yes both sides do have their crazy people)

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Show link to that Birth certi. Lets see if its got all the info a birth record from 1951 has. Hospital time of birth attending Doctor. Whats the problem with Obama showing this thing . I have had show mine a few times threw life . Whats th problem with showing this thing . Thats the real question . Just show the real birth certif. End of problem unless there is a problem . They are acting guility about this . How should people react.

Not that it matters. I always wondered if there was a lower man than Bush . Obama so low he needs latter to rub snakes stomach.

So he can use this "birther" issue to demean the GOP and point and say "look at those cray people" (and yes both sides do have their crazy people)

Agreed. Having the opposition waste their time and resources AND making themselves look loony while they're at it is a WIN/WIN for the Dems.

Carry on Sen. Franks, carry on. LOL

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Show link to that Birth certi. Lets see if its got all the info a birth record from 1951 has. Hospital time of birth attending Doctor. Whats the problem with Obama showing this thing . I have had show mine a few times threw life . Whats th problem with showing this thing . Thats the real question . Just show the real birth certif. End of problem unless there is a problem . They are acting guility about this . How should people react.

Not that it matters. I always wondered if there was a lower man than Bush . Obama so low he needs latter to rub snakes stomach.

So he can use this "birther" issue to demean the GOP and point and say "look at those cray people" (and yes both sides do have their crazy people)

Mr Franks is part of a Mr Obama strategy to demean the GOP?

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Show link to that Birth certi. Lets see if its got all the info a birth record from 1951 has. Hospital time of birth attending Doctor. Whats the problem with Obama showing this thing . I have had show mine a few times threw life . Whats th problem with showing this thing . Thats the real question . Just show the real birth certif. End of problem unless there is a problem . They are acting guility about this . How should people react.

Not that it matters. I always wondered if there was a lower man than Bush . Obama so low he needs latter to rub snakes stomach.

So he can use this "birther" issue to demean the GOP and point and say "look at those cray people" (and yes both sides do have their crazy people)

Pretty sure the GOP is doing it just well enough by themselves between the nuts on conservative radio/tv and in the townhalls.
He's a muslim, he's a terrorist, he's a marxist, he hates white people, he's a liberal elitist gun grabber, he's a Nazi eugenicist (against old whites like his granny apparently) and now is a fake American foreign infiltrator on a plot to destroy the US. (what's left after Bush of course.)

Pretty much every major GOP paranoia wrapped up into one tidy package. Seems all you have to do is give the GOP a microphone and they bake a fruitcake like an EZ bake oven.

 

[Bitek]

Hey, maybe his granny didn't die a natural death?! Maybe she was just his first victim from when he was elected. It just makes too much sense.
I think I'm going to go to a TH and talk about it and post the vids on youtube and Fox. Maybe Beck can do a special on it.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: BoberFett
What do these nutjobs think they can accomplish with these antics?

To demonize a man who's trying to make America a better place. And it's working.

According to who?

 

[CitizenKain]

Arizona breeds a special style of stupidity I guess.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Show link to that Birth certi. Lets see if its got all the info a birth record from 1951 has. Hospital time of birth attending Doctor. Whats the problem with Obama showing this thing . I have had show mine a few times threw life . Whats th problem with showing this thing . Thats the real question . Just show the real birth certif. End of problem unless there is a problem . They are acting guility about this . How should people react.

Not that it matters. I always wondered if there was a lower man than Bush . Obama so low he needs latter to rub snakes stomach.

So he can use this "birther" issue to demean the GOP and point and say "look at those cray people" (and yes both sides do have their crazy people)

Like they need the extra help????

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: BoberFett
What do these nutjobs think they can accomplish with these antics?

To demonize a man who's trying to make America a better place. And it's working.

If you believe politicians are interested in making anything better, you're as big a nutjob as these birthers.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Bitek
Pretty sure the GOP is doing it just well enough by themselves between the nuts on conservative radio/tv and in the townhalls.
He's a muslim, he's a terrorist, he's a marxist, he hates white people, he's a liberal elitist gun grabber, he's a Nazi eugenicist (against old whites like his granny apparently) and now is a fake American foreign infiltrator on a plot to destroy the US. (what's left after Bush of course.)

Pretty much every major GOP paranoia wrapped up into one tidy package. Seems all you have to do is give the GOP a microphone and they bake a fruitcake like an EZ bake oven.

It's the party of resentment and repressed hate. It's bound to happen. These people are our sickest and most hurt and the ones we need to help grow toward the light. They are our fellow Americans and brothers and sisters. We need to minister to the sick. They are not going anywhere.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I am almost positive he was born in Kenya.

he was eaten alive by tigers.

 

[spittledip]

We have seen so much of this that to me it seems like it is more of an organized tactic (although that seems silly). I think that the politicians and pundits pushing this idea don't really believe it- they are just trying to wreck Obama any way they can.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Greenman
I haven't really followed this, but couldn't the entire issue be solved by someone grabbing Obama's birth cert and making a copy? He has one or he doesn't, how could there be any question?

MMMMMMMAAAAAAACCCCCCRRRRRROOOOOPPPPPOOOOOWWWWWEEERRRR!

Originally posted by: L00PY
The problem is that wouldn't dispel all the conspiracy theories. You can never appease them, even when you meet their demands with facts.

Conspiracy theorists claimed he wasn't a citizen.
Obama had the copy of birth certificate the campaign obtained released.
Conspiracy theorists said it was PhotoShop and "proved it" with analysis of text halos, lack of creases, lack of a raised seal, etc. . .
Obama had third parties examine it and more images popped up showing clear text, creases, a raised seal, etc. . .
Conspiracy theorists said it was a forgery and had "proof" from their forensic analysts.
Obama had the staffers in the Hawaii Department of Health verify that the document number was that of a legitimate birth certificate.
Conspiracy theorists said wouldn't believe it unless someone from the state made a public and official statement.
Obama had the Health Department Director and the registrar of vital statistics issue a press release stating they personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

What's next? After releasing the original birth certificate, conspiracy theorists will want affidavits from the doctors and nurses. After releasing LSAT scores, conspiracy theorists will want every paper written while in law school. After releasing college transcripts, conspiracy theorists will want every exam taken in college. After releasing SAT scores, conspiracy theorists will want high school transcripts.

Conspiracy theorists claim cover up by the Governor, ignoring that she's Republican and has been anti-Obama. Conspiracy theorists claim special restrictions by the Hawaii government just for Obama's records, ignoring that the laws preventing the general release of everyone's records have been on the books for decades. Conspiracy theorists claim he wasn't born in Hawaii, ignoring the birth certificate and birth announcement in the paper. Conspiracy theorists claim he has a Kenyan birth certificate, ignoring the fact that they weren't required for foreigners back then, and foreigners had to find the right government office, wade through layers of bureaucracy, and pay a fee to get a Kenyan birth certificate issued.

The tinfoil hat brigade believes in a plot by both Republicans and Democrats, by a state governor and state officials, by the US government and the Kenyan government, by today's media and newspapers back in the 60s, and apparently in a white teenager's ability to mastermind a scheme to lay down a paper trail to make her Kenyan born son appear to be a natural born citizen because in the 1961 she thought her half black kid would someday become president, but also in a teenage mastermind that's somehow stupid enough to jump through hoops to pay for a Kenyan birth certificate before rushing back to the US.

Everyone else believes Obama was born in Hawaii.

[/quote]

This guy is seriously deranged. Rep. Franks in July:

?I believe Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, stayed within the United States and, therefore, is a constitutionally natural-born citizen of this country,? Franks told the blog?s Mike Stark.

?I?ll be quite honest with you,? Franks continued. ?When the information came to us that there were a lot of questions, it was very fascinating information. My office did some in-depth research. And we found birth records in the newspapers in Hawaii that couldn?t possibly have been forged. That?s my perspective, that you can?t go back and rewrite those.?

?There are probably very few Republicans in the House more disappointed in Barack Obama for his position of promoting abortion on demand, for standing by and letting jihad gain traction in the world and for undermining our constitution and turning us into a socialist nation,? the Republican added at the time. ?That being said, he?s a citizen of the United States of America.?

 

[RedChief]

Let me just say first off I believe the BHO was born in Hawaii.

But..

Birth Certificates are interesting things due to the fat originals can be legally changed. For example my bio dad abandoned my mom when I was less then a year old. My mom remarried and my step dad legally adopted me. But not only that, my birth certificate was changed so my last name is that of my stepdad and my first name was also changed (I was born Jason which I hated as a hcild so it was changed to Jay).

Now the interesting thing here is BHO history has parallels to my own. His mom was abandoned, remarried and the step dad adopted him. Now, is there the possibility that his birth certificate was legally changed from Barack Obama to Barry Soetoro? Remember that growing up and into College, Barack didnt go by Barack, he went by Barry.

Additionally, Barack went to school in Indonesia to a public school. From what I have read, it is impossible for non-citizens in Indonesia to go to public schools there. So for Barack to go to school there he not only had to be adopted by his step-father (Soetoro senior), but he had to become a Indonesian citizen. Yet Indonesia does not allow dual citizens to that means his mother would have had to renounce Baracks US citizenship.


Oh and to you leftys out there that like to denounce the birthers (of which I'm not one of). Remember this. The Birthers make up less of the Repubilcan party then the Truthers make up of the Democrat party.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: RedChief
Let me just say first off I believe the BHO was born in Hawaii.

But..

Birth Certificates are interesting things due to the fat originals can be legally changed. For example my bio dad abandoned my mom when I was less then a year old. My mom remarried and my step dad legally adopted me. But not only that, my birth certificate was changed so my last name is that of my stepdad and my first name was also changed (I was born Jason which I hated as a hcild so it was changed to Jay).

Now the interesting thing here is BHO history has parallels to my own. His mom was abandoned, remarried and the step dad adopted him. Now, is there the possibility that his birth certificate was legally changed from Barack Obama to Barry Soetoro? Remember that growing up and into College, Barack didnt go by Barack, he went by Barry.

Additionally, Barack went to school in Indonesia to a public school. From what I have read, it is impossible for non-citizens in Indonesia to go to public schools there. So for Barack to go to school there he not only had to be adopted by his step-father (Soetoro senior), but he had to become a Indonesian citizen. Yet Indonesia does not allow dual citizens to that means his mother would have had to renounce Baracks US citizenship.


Oh and to you leftys out there that like to denounce the birthers (of which I'm not one of). Remember this. The Birthers make up less of the Repubilcan party then the Truthers make up of the Democrat party.

So there were double digit Dems in congress that signed onto a "truther" resolution???

 

[RedChief]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: RedChief
Let me just say first off I believe the BHO was born in Hawaii.

But..

Birth Certificates are interesting things due to the fat originals can be legally changed. For example my bio dad abandoned my mom when I was less then a year old. My mom remarried and my step dad legally adopted me. But not only that, my birth certificate was changed so my last name is that of my stepdad and my first name was also changed (I was born Jason which I hated as a hcild so it was changed to Jay).

Now the interesting thing here is BHO history has parallels to my own. His mom was abandoned, remarried and the step dad adopted him. Now, is there the possibility that his birth certificate was legally changed from Barack Obama to Barry Soetoro? Remember that growing up and into College, Barack didnt go by Barack, he went by Barry.

Additionally, Barack went to school in Indonesia to a public school. From what I have read, it is impossible for non-citizens in Indonesia to go to public schools there. So for Barack to go to school there he not only had to be adopted by his step-father (Soetoro senior), but he had to become a Indonesian citizen. Yet Indonesia does not allow dual citizens to that means his mother would have had to renounce Baracks US citizenship.


Oh and to you leftys out there that like to denounce the birthers (of which I'm not one of). Remember this. The Birthers make up less of the Repubilcan party then the Truthers make up of the Democrat party.

So there were double digit Dems in congress that signed onto a "truther" resolution???

IIRC, 35% of Democrats believe Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance.

 

[Pens1566]

You mean from that troll thread a while back that was titled misleadingly??? Good source.

So there were double digit Dems in congress that signed onto a "truther" resolution???

 

[StageLeft]

Yet Indonesia does not allow dual citizens to that means his mother would have had to renounce Baracks US citizenship.

Does the US care? I'm told that to become a US citizen I'd have to renounce other citizenships but it turns out that Canada doesn't care; it doesn't recognize it, so technically I am still a dual. At least I have read about this.

Along the lines of others' thoughts, if he was born in Kenya but is no more Kenyan than any other American, to what degree does it matter? It's like that Justice Scalia statement about how the constitution doesn't say an "actually" innocent guy deserves to be let off death row if he was found guilty in a fair trial. It's being pedantic to a fault. Whether the womb from which he emerged happened to be within one set of coordinates or another may matter to the technicalities of the law but it surely isn't impacting his actual ability to be president.

If it was proven convincingly that he was born on foreign soil, would the US really gain by kicking him out of office? Notwithstanding the fact that Biden would then be in power, if Obama wasn't knowingly deceived and was fairly and by a significant margin elected into office, how is the country made better by kicking him out of office even if it is found that he innocently was not born on soil? It's a waste of time.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm glad to see the republicans finally standing up for america, lol. Maybe they can keep a bunch of people on life support and denounce non-christian religions too.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: RedChief

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: RedChief
Let me just say first off I believe the BHO was born in Hawaii.

But..

Birth Certificates are interesting things due to the fat originals can be legally changed. For example my bio dad abandoned my mom when I was less then a year old. My mom remarried and my step dad legally adopted me. But not only that, my birth certificate was changed so my last name is that of my stepdad and my first name was also changed (I was born Jason which I hated as a hcild so it was changed to Jay).

Now the interesting thing here is BHO history has parallels to my own. His mom was abandoned, remarried and the step dad adopted him. Now, is there the possibility that his birth certificate was legally changed from Barack Obama to Barry Soetoro? Remember that growing up and into College, Barack didnt go by Barack, he went by Barry.

Additionally, Barack went to school in Indonesia to a public school. From what I have read, it is impossible for non-citizens in Indonesia to go to public schools there. So for Barack to go to school there he not only had to be adopted by his step-father (Soetoro senior), but he had to become a Indonesian citizen. Yet Indonesia does not allow dual citizens to that means his mother would have had to renounce Baracks US citizenship.


Oh and to you leftys out there that like to denounce the birthers (of which I'm not one of). Remember this. The Birthers make up less of the Repubilcan party then the Truthers make up of the Democrat party.

So there were double digit Dems in congress that signed onto a "truther" resolution???

IIRC, 35% of Democrats believe Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance.

And 'Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance' could mean one of a million things. Maybe these people are referring to the widely known fact that Bush got that 'Bin Laden determined to attack in the US' memo shortly before 9/11, and consider that 'prior knowledge'? Is that at all unreasonable to think?

There's no way to misconstrue 'Obama's not a citizen'. These people are fucking nuts.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Greenman
I haven't really followed this, but couldn't the entire issue be solved by someone grabbing Obama's birth cert and making a copy? He has one or he doesn't, how could there be any question?

It's been done; it made no difference. The loons said it was Photoshopped.

And a poster to this thread has noted the birth announcement being forged ...

HA!

It is obvious to me that going back to the early '60s Obama was genetically engineered to be a Trojan-horse President programed from birth as an undercover Commie Muslim Nazi Terrorist tasked with the total destruction of America.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I am almost positive he was born in Kenya.

This from the great mind who is also almost positive that God exists, that Jesus Christ was his son, and that atheists cannot possibly have a genuine zest for life, given the futility they unavoidably must feel about their purposeless existence.

You really crack me up!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I am almost positive he was born in Kenya.

This from the great mind who is also almost positive that God exists, that Jesus Christ was his son, and that atheists cannot possibly have a genuine zest for life, given the futility they unavoidably must feel about their purposeless existence.

You really crack me up!

I thought that sounding totally insane early in the thread made his later post sound extra cogent.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I am almost positive he was born in Kenya.

Let's assume for the sake of the following that you're right... What then..?

He's taken the oath.. he is the President... to remove him requires articles of impeachment and trial in the Senate... Or some other judical action...

What evidence of 'high crime or misdemeanor' might there be? Assume he listed his place of birth as Hawaii under pain of perjury. Is there anyway to, beyond reasonable doubt or even preponderance of the evidence, show that he had made a knowingly false statement?
I don't think it can be shown that he or anyone did or do know his or their place of birth independent of second party information.. he was quite young at the time of his birth...
But, just for logic's sake... upon entry into the US from his alleged Kenya birth place what did the Mom or Mom and Dad show to allow his entry? How did they indicate his relationship to them... the normal immigration type issues... and even if that was falsified was it him or they who did that...

I'm afraid the question of his birth place relative to his office is no longer an issue. I suppose the Supreme Court also is of that opinion as well.. least on the merits of the case they rejected. edit: I expect no one can show standing to actually file a suit which is the Supreme Court case issue.
the above is not the entire legal theory applicable but the rest is also not actionable.

Well... yes.. you guessed it... we're not really talking about now... are we... 2012 is the objective... hehehehehe... but who will run against him....