GOP Rep. Trent Franks Considering Obama Citizenship Lawsuit

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I am almost positive he was born in Kenya.

he was eaten alive by tigers.

Tigers? In Africa?

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I am almost positive he was born in Kenya.

he was eaten alive by tigers.

Tigers? In Africa?

In Indonesia!

 

[Vic]

Birthers are morons. I dare any birther (or birther defender) to go down to their state records office and get a copy of their own birth certificate. Except for the names, places, and dates, it will look EXACTLY like the one Obama released more than a year ago. I know, I have my own. This nonsense that Obama hasn't produced his certificate is nothing but thinly-veiled racism. McCain was born in Panama and held captive in a communist country for years, yet I doubt anyone even asked for his ID.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Vic
Birthers are morons. I dare any birther (or birther defender) to go down to their state records office and get a copy of their own birth certificate. Except for the names, places, and dates, it will look EXACTLY like the one Obama released more than a year ago. I know, I have my own. This nonsense that Obama hasn't produced his certificate is nothing but thinly-veiled racism. McCain was born in Panama and held captive in a communist country for years, yet I doubt anyone even asked for his ID.

Actually, here were some Lefty Loonies who insisted that Senator McCain's Panamanian birth disqualified him from the presidency. Of course, in that instance, two Democratic Senators (McCaskill and Leahy) immediately introduced Senate Resolution 511, "Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen".

Republicans apparently respond to their Lunatic Wing by filing supportive lawsuits.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: Vic
Birthers are morons. I dare any birther (or birther defender) to go down to their state records office and get a copy of their own birth certificate. Except for the names, places, and dates, it will look EXACTLY like the one Obama released more than a year ago. I know, I have my own. This nonsense that Obama hasn't produced his certificate is nothing but thinly-veiled racism. McCain was born in Panama and held captive in a communist country for years, yet I doubt anyone even asked for his ID.

McCain has also been on the government tit (socialism!) his entire life due to being an Admiral's son.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: RedChief

IIRC, 35% of Democrats believe Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance.

Which raises the question, why only 35%???

BUSH WAS WARNED BIN LADEN WANTED TO HIJACK PLANES

By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: Thursday, May 16, 2002

The White House said tonight that President Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies in early August that Osama bin Laden was seeking to hijack aircraft but that the warnings did not contemplate the possibility that the hijackers would turn the planes into guided missiles for a terrorist attack.

''It is widely known that we had information that bin Laden wanted to attack the United States or United States interests abroad,'' Ari Fleischer, the president's press secretary, said this evening. ''The president was also provided information about bin Laden wanting to engage in hijacking in the traditional pre-9/11 sense, not for the use of suicide bombing, not for the use of an airplane as a missile.''

Nonetheless the revelation by the White House, made in response to a report about the intelligence warning this evening on CBS News, is bound to fuel Congressional demands for a deeper investigation into why American intelligence agencies and the Federal Bureau of Investigation had failed to put together individual pieces of evidence that, in retrospect, now seem to suggest what was coming.

In the past few days, government officials have acknowledged for the first time that an F.B.I. agent in Phoenix had urged the F.B.I. headquarters to investigate Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools. That memorandum also cited Mr. bin Laden by name and suggested that his followers could use the schools to train for terror operations, officials who have seen the memorandum said.

Administration officials reached this evening said the warning given to Mr. Bush did not come from the F.B.I. or from the information developed by the Phoenix agent. Instead, it was provided as part of the C.I.A. briefing he is given each morning, suggesting that it was probably based on evidence gathered abroad.

The C.I.A. had been listening intently over the July 4 holiday last year, after what one investigator called ''a lot of static in the system suggesting something was coming.'' But then the evidence disappeared as quickly as it had arisen, and by August, officials have said, little was heard from Al Qaeda.

The warning of the hijacking was given to the president at his ranch in Crawford, Tex., where he was on vacation.
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I don't recall any pre-election warnings from the CIA or the FBI about any danger that either Obama or McCain wasn't an American citizen. :roll:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I am almost positive he was born in Kenya.

Did you say Kenya???

 

[fskimospy]

The next logical step.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: RedChief

IIRC, 35% of Democrats believe Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance.

Which raises the question, why only 35%???

BUSH WAS WARNED BIN LADEN WANTED TO HIJACK PLANES

By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: Thursday, May 16, 2002

The White House said tonight that President Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies in early August that Osama bin Laden was seeking to hijack aircraft but that the warnings did not contemplate the possibility that the hijackers would turn the planes into guided missiles for a terrorist attack.

''It is widely known that we had information that bin Laden wanted to attack the United States or United States interests abroad,'' Ari Fleischer, the president's press secretary, said this evening. ''The president was also provided information about bin Laden wanting to engage in hijacking in the traditional pre-9/11 sense, not for the use of suicide bombing, not for the use of an airplane as a missile.''

Nonetheless the revelation by the White House, made in response to a report about the intelligence warning this evening on CBS News, is bound to fuel Congressional demands for a deeper investigation into why American intelligence agencies and the Federal Bureau of Investigation had failed to put together individual pieces of evidence that, in retrospect, now seem to suggest what was coming.

In the past few days, government officials have acknowledged for the first time that an F.B.I. agent in Phoenix had urged the F.B.I. headquarters to investigate Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools. That memorandum also cited Mr. bin Laden by name and suggested that his followers could use the schools to train for terror operations, officials who have seen the memorandum said.

Administration officials reached this evening said the warning given to Mr. Bush did not come from the F.B.I. or from the information developed by the Phoenix agent. Instead, it was provided as part of the C.I.A. briefing he is given each morning, suggesting that it was probably based on evidence gathered abroad.

The C.I.A. had been listening intently over the July 4 holiday last year, after what one investigator called ''a lot of static in the system suggesting something was coming.'' But then the evidence disappeared as quickly as it had arisen, and by August, officials have said, little was heard from Al Qaeda.

The warning of the hijacking was given to the president at his ranch in Crawford, Tex., where he was on vacation.
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I don't recall any pre-election warnings from the CIA or the FBI about any danger that either Obama or McCain wasn't an American citizen. :roll:

Yeah, saying bush had information before hand is vastly different from saying bush planned the attacks, that's not exactly 'truther' territory.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The next logical step.

The Onion is no longer a satirical publication? Damnit.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Yeah, saying bush had information before hand is vastly different from saying bush planned the attacks, that's not exactly 'truther' territory.

The fact that Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies and did nothing about it is its own very non-foil beany indictment of their competence.

OTOH, the birthers are almost inspirational motivation to invest in Reynolds Wrap.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Phokus

Yeah, saying bush had information before hand is vastly different from saying bush planned the attacks, that's not exactly 'truther' territory.

The fact that Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies and did nothing about it is its own very non-foil beany indictment of their competence.

OTOH, the birthers are almost inspirational motivation to invest in Reynolds Wrap.

There's a large difference between being warned that Al Qaeda was planning to attack the US and in your opinion "not doing enough" to stop it, and having specific knowledge of the 9/11 attacks including methodology and timing, and allowing it to happen in order to gin up support for a middle east war. That's at least as crazy as birtherism.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The next logical step.

Beat me to it!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Phokus

Yeah, saying bush had information before hand is vastly different from saying bush planned the attacks, that's not exactly 'truther' territory.

The fact that Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies and did nothing about it is its own very non-foil beany indictment of their competence.

OTOH, the birthers are almost inspirational motivation to invest in Reynolds Wrap.

To therre was talk that OBL was going to hijack an aircraft.
What should be done; ground the aviation community for an indefinte period of time.
Subject all airport employess to extensive background checks while planes were grounded.
Authorized crew members to carry weapons immediately for an indefinte period of time.

20/20 hindsight is nice for finger pointing.

There was also talk going around when Clinton was in charge - what did he do about it.
Implimented the wall between intelligence agencies!

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Phokus

Yeah, saying bush had information before hand is vastly different from saying bush planned the attacks, that's not exactly 'truther' territory.

The fact that Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies and did nothing about it is its own very non-foil beany indictment of their competence.

OTOH, the birthers are almost inspirational motivation to invest in Reynolds Wrap.

To therre was talk that OBL was going to hijack an aircraft.
What should be done; ground the aviation community for an indefinte period of time.
Subject all airport employess to extensive background checks while planes were grounded.
Authorized crew members to carry weapons immediately for an indefinte period of time.

20/20 hindsight is nice for finger pointing.

There was also talk going around when Clinton was in charge - what did he do about it.
Implimented the wall between intelligence agencies!

This.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

To therre was talk that OBL was going to hijack an aircraft.
What should be done; ground the aviation community for an indefinte period of time.
Subject all airport employess to extensive background checks while planes were grounded.
Authorized crew members to carry weapons immediately for an indefinte period of time.

20/20 hindsight is nice for finger pointing.

CC -- Don't go all apologist on this. I'm not sufficiently versed in intelligence matters to know what they could have done, but that pointing finger points to ZERO being done by the Whitehouse despite numerous credible warnings. No serious notice was taken, let alone any follow up on actual reports by an undercover agent actually living with some of the actual hijackers. Quoting from the article at the link in my previous post;

In the past few days, government officials have acknowledged for the first time that an F.B.I. agent in Phoenix had urged the F.B.I. headquarters to investigate Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools. That memorandum also cited Mr. bin Laden by name and suggested that his followers could use the schools to train for terror operations, officials who have seen the memorandum said.

They also ignored urgent reports from an FBI informant living with some of the eventual hijackers in San Diego, California.

There was also talk going around when Clinton was in charge - what did he do about it.
Implimented the wall between intelligence agencies!

So, assuming Clinton's actions were similarly inadequate under the circumstances at that time, all that would mean is that we were lucky, then. It doesn't excuse the Bushwhackos' subsequent incompetence and inaction.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

To therre was talk that OBL was going to hijack an aircraft.
What should be done; ground the aviation community for an indefinte period of time.
Subject all airport employess to extensive background checks while planes were grounded.
Authorized crew members to carry weapons immediately for an indefinte period of time.

20/20 hindsight is nice for finger pointing.

CC -- Don't go all apologist on this. I'm not sufficiently versed in intelligence matters to know what they could have done, but that pointing finger points to ZERO being done by the Whitehouse despite numerous credible warnings. No serious notice was taken, let alone any follow up on actual reports by an undercover agent actually living with some of the actual hijackers. Quoting from the article at the link in my previous post;

In the past few days, government officials have acknowledged for the first time that an F.B.I. agent in Phoenix had urged the F.B.I. headquarters to investigate Middle Eastern men enrolled in American flight schools. That memorandum also cited Mr. bin Laden by name and suggested that his followers could use the schools to train for terror operations, officials who have seen the memorandum said.

They also ignored urgent reports from an FBI informant living with some of the eventual hijackers in San Diego, California.

There was also talk going around when Clinton was in charge - what did he do about it.
Implimented the wall between intelligence agencies!

So, assuming Clinton's actions were similarly inadequate under the circumstances at that time, all that would mean is that we were lucky, then. It doesn't excuse the Bushwhackos' subsequent incompetence and inaction.

Yeah it does. I'll jump all over the man but there are ALWAYS threats which have real potential, but are never actualized. The crystal balls don't work.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Harvey

So, assuming Clinton's actions were similarly inadequate under the circumstances at that time, all that would mean is that we were lucky, then. It doesn't excuse the Bushwhackos' subsequent incompetence and inaction.

Yeah it does. I'll jump all over the man but there are ALWAYS threats which have real potential, but are never actualized. The crystal balls don't work.

We disagree. It wasn't that they acted but their actions were inadequate. In the face of credible threats from their own operatives in the field, they did NOTHING... until after 9/11.

Then, they got serious about committing crimes, including treason, murder, torture and other war crimes and crimes against humanity. :|

But we know all of that so let's get back to the topic of this thread:

Topic Title: GOP Rep. Trent Franks Considering Obama Citizenship Lawsuit