GOP: nothing to sell but fear itself

[ericlp]

Take the blinders off

SS reform sends granny out on the streets
If we dont pass the stimulus we lose 500 million jobs
Without healthcare reform the poor will die in the streets
Without welfare people starve in the streets
Foxnews

That is just a small sampling of the fear mongering done from the Democrats.

You know... I don't watch fox news... So, I haven't heard any of those statements.

I do believe that the other party has to state the consequences if it does not go his way...

I am happy that we do not heave to hear the word terrorist in every speech. All bush had to do was mention that word and he pretty much got anything he wanted passed.

Remember this tv ad? I think the word "Sheeple" was coined from it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4t9O_yFsY

Talk about fear monger.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You know... I don't watch fox news... So, I haven't heard any of those statements.

Ahem....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/2009/feb/04/nancy-pelosi-obama-stimulus-population-usa

You can Google the rest.

 

[Genx87]

You know... I don't watch fox news... So, I haven't heard any of those statements.

I do believe that the other party has to state the consequences if it does not go his way...

I am happy that we do not heave to hear the word terrorist in every speech. All bush had to do was mention that word and he pretty much got anything he wanted passed.

Remember this tv ad? I think the word "Sheeple" was coined from it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4t9O_yFsY

Talk about fear monger.

You dont have to watch foxnews to see Democrats fear monger.

 

[MotF Bane]

You know... I don't watch fox news... So, I haven't heard any of those statements.

Fail.

 

[kage69]

Take the blinders off

SS reform sends granny out on the streets
If we dont pass the stimulus we lose 500 million jobs
Without healthcare reform the poor will die in the streets
Without welfare people starve in the streets
Foxnews

That is just a small sampling of the fear mongering done from the Democrats.

You act like I didn't already state that the Dems employ fear - what was that about blinders? If you can't even read my post accurately that doesn't bode well for the topic.
Sorry Genx, but you've proven yourself to be quite the partisan in the past, and your personal opinion on the matter isn't what I was asking for.

Also, stating a fact isn't necessarily fear mongering. Does noting the deficit of journalistic principles at Fox make you fearful? Using specious reasoning and an ample amount of speculation right before an election, now that's something different...

I realize this can be a bit subjective, but don't let that stop you from at least trying to support your position with a link or two.

 

[Fear No Evil]

How many times has Obama dropped the 'depression' word to justify spending trillions? No fear there.

 

[werepossum]

The Democrats aren't pushing health care reform because they hope it will be better; The Annointed One Himself repeatedly claims that NOT adopting his reforms will result in most Americans losing their health insurance (and thus health care) AND cause increasing deficits that will bankrupt the country. You'd have to be certifiably insane and/or retarded (in the clinical sense) to believe that is not fear-mongering (versus merely fundamentally dishonest to merely say so while knowing better.) Republican claims are exactly equal - that adopting this reform will result in huge deficits that will bankrupt the country and cause many Americans to lose health insurance and/or health care. Fear works, for both parties. The only difference is that the existing health care & health insurance system undeniably works for the majority of Americans whereas the liberals must project using other nations' systems that work for the majority of their citizens.

And Democrat fear-mongering that CAGW will destroy the world certainly trumps Republican fear-mongering that Iraq will give its WMDs to terrorists who will destroy the USA, as the world is certainly larger than the USA. This thread is the essence of partisan fail.

 

[Genx87]

You act like I didn't already state that the Dems employ fear - what was that about blinders? If you can't even read my post accurately that doesn't bode well for the topic.
Sorry Genx, but you've proven yourself to be quite the partisan in the past, and your personal opinion on the matter isn't what I was asking for.

Also, stating a fact isn't necessarily fear mongering. Does noting the deficit of journalistic principles at Fox make you fearful? Using specious reasoning and an ample amount of speculation right before an election, now that's something different...

I realize this can be a bit subjective, but don't let that stop you from at least trying to support your position with a link or two.

I dont need a link or two. Open your eyes and watch the news, any news. It is displayed daily on both sides of the aisle. You asked for topics the democrats employ that are equal to the repubs. I provided a small list.

 

[theeedude]

The Democrats aren't pushing health care reform because they hope it will be better; The Annointed One Himself repeatedly claims that NOT adopting his reforms will result in most Americans losing their health insurance (and thus health care) AND cause increasing deficits that will bankrupt the country. You'd have to be certifiably insane and/or retarded (in the clinical sense) to believe that is not fear-mongering (versus merely fundamentally dishonest to merely say so while knowing better.)

You must have your blinders tightly shut if you are not seeing the trends in health care towards more people losing their coverage and costs escalating far beyond rate of inflation and ability of people, especially with medical needs, to afford it. It's not fear mongering if it's reality. There are people living in fear of losing their health coverage and it's not because Obama scared them, but because they are at real risk of it.

 

[werepossum]

You must have your blinders tightly shut if you are not seeing the trends in health care towards more people losing their coverage and costs escalating far beyond rate of inflation and ability of people, especially with medical needs, to afford it. It's not fear mongering if it's reality. There are people living in fear of losing their health coverage and it's not because Obama scared them, but because they are at real risk of it.

This is the essence of party politics - my fears are real and inevitable whilst yours are merely politics. Both sides have elements of truth and elements of fantasy, but at the end of the evening "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" remains a punch line.

 

[sandorski]

How many times has Obama dropped the 'depression' word to justify spending trillions? No fear there.

Stating the Facts are Fear Mongering? Fail. Not only was it a very real possibility, it may still become a reality. This year is likely to see the most Mortgage Defaults yet. Stay tuned.

 

[kage69]

Oh, because you disapprove of Republicans (at least from what I can tell of your posts), they should be scrutinized more than Democrats?

I disapprove of Banana Republicans, which at this point is about 98% of them. I never used to be a Dem, so I don't really hold any nostalgic concern over their well-being. I would however like to see the GOP regain some of it's sanity and get back to at least trying to do what it professes to stand for.

All politicians are alike with maybe minor technical differences. Republicans operate with FUD. Democrats use FUD as well but typically frame it in the class warfare context. Whatever these minor differences (and they are minor in the grand scheme), the only constant is the thirst for power shared by both parties. We need to kick them both out.

I guess I can kinda agree with that last sentence, but I don't think some of the differences are as minor as you maintain. National Security for example. Look back at the 2004 election and tell me with a straight face that both parties were doing the exact same thing. The Repubs used 9/11 for a sickening political end. If you can find an example of the Dems doing that, I'd like to see it.

 

[kage69]

Still defending bigotry?

Wow. And here I thought you were just putting on some act to save face in that thread.
But no, referring to a self-professed gay escort as a ... gay escort, makes me a bigot in your book.

Are you really that stupid, or just hypersensitive about homosexuality?

 

[theeedude]

This is the essence of party politics - my fears are real and inevitable whilst yours are merely politics. Both sides have elements of truth and elements of fantasy, but at the end of the evening "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you" remains a punch line.

Let's see, getting sick and not having health insurance vs gay people getting married...
Which one is something real to fear and which one is merely politics?

 

[werepossum]

Let's see, getting sick and not having health insurance vs gay people getting married...
Which one is something real to fear and which one is merely politics?

WTF? How about getting sick and not having health care because you don't have insurance versus getting sick and not having health care because the government is rationing it and you have been judged not worthy or because you to wait in the queue as in nations with socialized medicine? There are plenty of apples to apples comparisons to be made without resulting to other fruits, no pun intended.

If you want to do gay marriage, we're on the same side. But I would suggest "gay marriage will lead to a societal breakdown" versus "government spying on suspected terrorists will lead to government spying on you and discovering how small your penis really is."

 

[kage69]

Fixed

So witty, so concise, so original!

I'd give you a cookie if I thought you could eat with your head up there.

 

[kage69]

I dont need a link or two. Open your eyes and watch the news, any news. It is displayed daily on both sides of the aisle. You asked for topics the democrats employ that are equal to the repubs. I provided a small list.

Yeah that's what I thought. Thanks for keeping it predictable.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Stating the Facts are Fear Mongering? Fail. Not only was it a very real possibility, it may still become a reality. This year is likely to see the most Mortgage Defaults yet. Stay tuned.

If Obama can take credit for preventing a depression I guess Bush can take credit for preventing another 9/11.. both can't be proven but why not while we are playing this game.

 

[theeedude]

WTF? How about getting sick and not having health care because you don't have insurance versus getting sick and not having health care because the government is rationing it and you have been judged not worthy or because you to wait in the queue as in nations with socialized medicine? There are plenty of apples to apples comparisons to be made without resulting to other fruits, no pun intended.

If you want to do gay marriage, we're on the same side. But I would suggest "gay marriage will lead to a societal breakdown" versus "government spying on suspected terrorists will lead to government spying on you and discovering how small your penis really is."

LOL wut? I see government Medicare treating elderly people that no private health insurer would cover, while I see private insurers pushing people off their rolls with exorbitant rate hikes (40% in the middle of a recession) and rescissions. So if you are going to direct your health care fears somewhere, the government is not the place I would start.

 

[sandorski]

If Obama can take credit for preventing a depression I guess Bush can take credit for preventing another 9/11.. both can't be proven but why not while we are playing this game.

Not even close to being correct. Fail.

 

[JSt0rm]

where si that study that shows that republicans are more fearful?

Fear, anger, envy these are the emotions of lower beings caught in a endless downward spiral. Once you catch a positive feedback loop it is eye opening. Everything you need to have the most out of this gift is inside your mind.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The Repubs used 9/11 for a sickening political end. If you can find an example of the Dems doing that, I'd like to see it.

What sickening political end do you refer to? Are you referring to using 9/11 as an excuse to enact the Patriot Act, for example? If so, I would agree but would also point out that the Democrats were complicit and Obama has renewed it.

Iraq was inexcusable and you will get no argument from me. I am hardly a defender of Republicans but the notion that Democrats don't use FUD is absurd.

 

[Zebo]

Funny. You think I'm not being serious. That kind of elitism is going to roll over Obama and the dems in November like a damn tsunami. These are people that never got involved in politics or voted much that are now highly motivated to stop obama.

And I don't buy the wealthy donors would be cutting down. They stand the most punishment by Obama so I'd predict their donations actually go up to stop him.

Funny I'm trying to figure out what is liberal about Obama while you guys paint him as some socialist.

Voiced support of firing teachers in RI and privatize school systems. Check

Let insurance companies and pharma write health care legislation. Check.

Turns a blind eye toward torture and wire tapping. Check.

Escalate a never ending war into two more countries. Check.

Turn a blind eye to wall street greed and go soft on banking reform. Check.

Supported two more bailout of WS. Check.

Avoid dealing with outsourcing and talk up new free trade agreements. Check.

Lauded Reagan for his game changing politics and movment. Check.

No investigations into torture, into Iraq lies etc.

I never use the race card but really there is no other explanation for Obama hatred by RW.

 

[nobodyknows]

I don't think the rats down in your basement can legally donate to any cause nor do I think that if you put them up on your keyboard we'd notice much difference in the quality of your posts lately. Seek help.

LOL, Spidey has a serious case of ODS and it's only been a year, Wait until Obama is re-elected and then listen to his whining rev up to about 9000 rpm's. The main reason I still hang out at P&N is to listen to all the people whining about the messiah.... like he can fuck things up worse then Bush did??

Listen up boys, unless you want to be total dicks and cause another great depression then only way to go from here is up. As a true patriot once said, "Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!!".

 

[Zebo]

. like he can fuck things up worse then Bush did?? .

Pretty high bar you got set there. But really he represents a continuum as a neo-dem nearly indistinguishable from neo-cons. Only difference he will shit on your face and tell you it's fudge. (charming)