GOP mute on Supreme Court cases regarding DOMA

[zsdersw]

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/gop-mute-as-supreme-court-tackles-gay-marriage-84883.html

If gay marriage is as unpopular as its most vocal opponents suggest, why would the Republican party be so silent on the issue and just "wish it would go away"?

Answer: It's not unpopular.

I'd say it is time for gay marriage opponents to get used to being on the losing side of the issue.

 

[techs]

The public perception of gay marriage has changed dramatically over the last 10 years.
At this point the Republicans want to be able to scream about it to their base but don't want to actually have it come up as legislative issue(in many states at least)

In other words, the Republicans want to be dead set against it but don't want to actually have to do anything about it.

 

[nehalem256]

If gay marriage is such a good idea why is the argument for it that: "Straight people can get married"

 

[manimal]

What bothers me about the current discussion among conservatives which I am one-barely-is that these topics are too "distracting" or "divisive" to discuss right now.

Instead of actually talking about things and taking stands conservatives choose to deal with it passive aggressively.


Just last week read an Op ed in the local indy rag and the crux of the argument was that gay marriage and abortion are too divisive to discuss and will only hurt the party. Lets hold our breath a little longer and see who turns blue...

The longer we leave the dead grandma in her room the worse the smell will be. Closing the door and putting tape over the door edges only delays the smell from getting out..

Nobody wants to take a stand anymore or they get ejected from the think tank spaceship.

 

[zsdersw]

If gay marriage is such a good idea why is the argument for it that: "Straight people can get married"

Do you pay attention to the valid arguments sometimes presented in gay marriage threads?

Or are you one of the people my sig quote refers to?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

If gay marriage is such a good idea why is the argument for it that: "Straight people can get married"

Yeah that is not the argument but I'm sure you either know that or just don't care to learn what the argument actually is.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Answer: It's not unpopular.

Especially with people under about 40 years of age. The right continues to pander to the older generation with the hopes that we will "come around one day", instead of facing the facts that our generation has decided to unilaterally make a stand against homophobia, racism, and other human rights issues that previous generations carried bigotry towards based on ignorance and religious beliefs.

The longer the Republican party holds onto these views the further it will drive itself into obscurity with the voters that are quickly becoming the majority with baby boomers hitting the end of their rope, so to speak.

 

[nehalem256]

Do you pay attention to the valid arguments sometimes presented in gay marriage threads?

Or are you one of the people my sig quote refers to?

Yeah that is not the argument but I'm sure you either know that or just don't care to learn what the argument actually is.

Oh and they want government benefits.

Although that is not actually an argument for same-sex marriage. That is an explanation for wanting it.

 

[nehalem256]

Especially with people under about 40 years of age. The right continues to pander to the older generation with the hopes that we will "come around one day", instead of facing the facts that our generation has decided to unilaterally make a stand against homophobia, racism, and other human rights issues that previous generations carried bigotry towards based on ignorance and religious beliefs.

Somebody missed the Ukraine thread where the idea that opposition to LGBT "rights" is based on Christianity was finally put to rest.

 

[PokerGuy]

Answer: It's not unpopular.

Wrong does not have to mean unpopular. I don't care if something is popular or not, if it's wrong it's wrong. That said, it's a democracy so people should be able to vote for whatever they want (legislation from the bench is of course a completely different matter).

 

[zsdersw]

Wrong does not have to mean unpopular. I don't care if something is popular or not, if it's wrong it's wrong. That said, it's a democracy so people should be able to vote for whatever they want (legislation from the bench is of course a completely different matter).

Right and wrong on this issue is a matter of opinion... and you (like everyone else who opposes gay marriage) have as much of a right to be wrong as anyone.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Right and wrong on this issue is a matter of opinion... and you (like everyone else who opposes gay marriage) have as much of a right to be wrong as anyone.

As he is in this case. Yet, nobody is saying it should be illegal to be that ignorant, are they?

Somebody missed the Ukraine thread where the idea that opposition to LGBT "rights" is based on Christianity was finally put to rest.

Cmon man, people have been using the Bible to condemn homosexuals for thousands of years. But since you said it was put to rest, how could it not be true? lmfao Get real.

 

[zsdersw]

Yet, nobody is saying it should be illegal to be that ignorant, are they?

Of course not. Fortunately, the people who are wrong on this issue are losing.

 

[nehalem256]

Cmon man, people have been using the Bible to condemn homosexuals for thousands of years. But since you said it was put to rest, how could it not be true? lmfao Get real.

Which of course explains why Ukraine (with a population that is 62.5% non-religious is banning public support of homosexuality).

Or why Japan and China do not have same-sex marriage.

 

[zsdersw]

Although that is not actually an argument for same-sex marriage. That is an explanation for wanting it.

You've heard the arguments for same-sex marriage in countless other threads... and any rebuttals to them have been refuted each time.

Why are you feigning ignorance of those arguments?

But, if you again want to go over those arguments and lose, I'd be more than happy to play.

 

[zsdersw]

Which of course explains why Ukraine (with a population that is 62.5% non-religious is banning public support of homosexuality).

Or why Japan and China do not have same-sex marriage.

In the US religions and religious views/traditions are the main reason. Japan, China, and the Ukraine are different countries/states with different customs. Their reasons are invariably going to be different than those of people in the US. This is obvious and you should already know it.

 

[Ausm]

He is to busy dealing with the orange guy not sure why the orange guy isn't negotiating with Reid tho.

 

[thraashman]

You've heard the arguments for same-sex marriage in countless other threads... and any rebuttals to them have been refuted each time.

Why are you feigning ignorance of those arguments?

But, if you again want to go over those arguments and lose, I'd be more than happy to play.

I figured out nehalem's problem with gay marriage a while ago. Anyone who's seen him post in P&N should by now be aware that nehalem hates women. I mean HATES women! He feels they're inferior, weaker, and deserve about the same rights as a Real Doll. So I realized his hatred of gay marriage has never shown a bit of rationality and there must be a reason. So it's become apparent that his hatred for same sex marriage is based on equality. You see, nehalem hates women SO much that the idea of a same sex marriage, where there is no possibility of a relationship with a man having power over a woman, scares the crap out of him. His hatred of women is so deep that allowing relationships where women aren't subservient to men, just seems wrong to him. There is no other explanation.

Also he's a dick.

 

[PokerGuy]

Right and wrong on this issue is a matter of opinion...

Not just on this issue, anything except for conclusively provable scientific facts are a matter of opinion. Society as a whole gets to decide what is acceptable and what isn't, that's how a democracy works. Opinions can also change over time.

 

[zsdersw]

Not just on this issue, anything except for conclusively provable scientific facts are a matter of opinion. Society as a whole gets to decide what is acceptable and what isn't, that's how a democracy works. Opinions can also change over time.

Obviously, but "this issue" is the topic of the thread... which is why I didn't mention everything else.

 

[nehalem256]

In the US religions and religious views/traditions are the main reason. Japan, China, and the Ukraine are different countries/states with different customs. Their reasons are invariably going to be different than those of people in the US. This is obvious and you should already know it.

So you are agreeing that opposition to same-sex marriage transcends religion.

 

[nehalem256]

I figured out nehalem's problem with gay marriage a while ago. Anyone who's seen him post in P&N should by now be aware that nehalem hates women. I mean HATES women! He feels they're inferior, weaker, and deserve about the same rights as a Real Doll.

No. It is liberals who think that women are inferior and weaker. Which is why they pass a plethora of laws to protect them and transfer men's wealth to them.

Expecting independent women to take care of themselves is exactly the opposite of thinking them to be inferior and weaker.

 

[zsdersw]

So you are agreeing that opposition to same-sex marriage transcends religion.

I never said it didn't. The relevant detail when discussing gay marriage on a forum predominantly frequented by US residents, though, is what is at the root of opposition to gay marriage in the US. And that root of opposition to gay marriage in the US is religion and religious beliefs/traditions/customs.

 

[nehalem256]

I never said it didn't. The relevant detail when discussing gay marriage on a forum predominantly frequented by US residents, though, is what is at the root of opposition to gay marriage in the US. And that root of opposition to gay marriage in the US is religion and religious beliefs/traditions/customs.

All that tells me is that religious people in the US are the only ones who tend to hold traditional values.

For example Spain, is 71% Catholic and has legal same-sex marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain#Religion

In fact I bet that Christian countries are more likely to favor same-sex marriage than non-Christian countries.

Liberals continual ignoring of this fact shows them to be intellectually dishonest cowards.

 

[zsdersw]

All that tells me is that religious people in the US are the only ones who tend to hold traditional values.

All that tells me is that religious people in the US are idiots*.

In fact I bet that Christian countries are more likely to favor same-sex marriage than non-Christian countries.

If by non-Christian countries you're including Islamic/Muslim countries, that's probably true.


* Religious people, as in those who are "affiliated with a specific religious faith", not spiritual people. There is a significant difference.