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GOP mute on Supreme Court cases regarding DOMA

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soulcougher73 said:
Why should we give into bigorty and hatred? Also noone said you have to respect them or accept them. But you do need to treat them equally in the eyes of the law and give them the same courtisy you give every other non gay person.
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And no none gay person is allowed to marry someone of the same gender.
 
nehalem256 said:
You obviously completely missed my point.

It is hypocritical to say you you against "telling people how to live their life"

And then say

You shouldn't be able to marry your sister, or a 12 year old, or multiple people.

Everyone is fine with telling others how to live their life.
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Its called context. You dont haz it.

Were talking about gay marriage here. Not marrying 12 year olds.
 
nehalem256 said:
You shouldn't be able to marry your sister, or a 12 year old, or multiple people.
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Adulthood is the age we (somewhat arbitrarily) determine someone able to make choices for themselves. As long as that distinction is made, that is when marriage becomes allowable under the law.

Siblings, multiple people... there is no logical reason to deny marriage under those circumstances.
 
Rob M. said:
Well, keep that up and we will have a divided society. You sound mighty silly talking about not respecting someone while at the same time, treating them right. Respect and proper treatment go hand in hand. The reason why I treat others right it because I have a level of respect for them.
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Just because you dont agree with what someone does or does not do, does not mean you should treat them differently. You respect them by treating them no different than youd treat any other person, even if you disagree with what they are doing.

I dont have a problem with gays marrying. But for the sake of arguement say i did. I would still allow them to marry even though i find it wrong. Because i dont believe my beliefs on the matter should allow them to be treated differently in the eyes of the law.
 
nehalem256 said:
And no none gay person is allowed to marry someone of the same gender.
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And no two of your brain cells are allowed to rub together to form a real thought.

Give up on your old ass tired lame as fuck arguement with that shit already. Nobody is buying your "Dummies guide to being dumb".
 
I think much of it is just a lack of people caring, that there are so many other things going on with the horrible economy, taxes and fees on the rise, and whatever else that people just don't even think about it.
 
Rob M. said:
Well, keep that up and we will have a divided society. You sound mighty silly talking about not respecting someone while at the same time, treating them right. Respect and proper treatment go hand in hand. The reason why I treat others right it because I have a level of respect for them.
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The problem is you can't respect bigotry, it's sole purpose is to not respect others.
 
Rob M. said:
Ok, fair enough. You know, I find it mighty hypocritical how someone just dismisses someone's personal beliefs because said beliefs dont line up with what's "in" or what people want to do.

You guys want gays and lesbians to be respected and accepted in society, well, learn to give it back to those who don't necessarily agree with you all. I guess part of the reason why we can't co-exist, for now anyway, is because one side says "it's an abomination" and the others say "you don't accept me because of inherited ignorance, bigotry, and fear".

It takes two to tango. If both sides of the SSM issue look past their own pride, bigotry, and forced-acceptance, we would have at least a relatively peaceful social society. Until then, nothing positive will happen. Not accepting SSM isn't tantamount to hatred, accepting it isn't sending you to "hell".
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Your post demonstrates the fear that you commented on earlier. The fear exists on different levels and to different degrees depending on the believer but IMO it can be categorized thusly:

Fear that they are being "told how to live"

Fear that by allowing SSM they are going against the will of God, even though they themselves are not being forced to be part of a SSM

Fear that when G-d vents his wrath against LGBT the believers will get caught in the crossfire

Well, as long as the attitude of "I guess part of the reason why we can't co-exist, for now anyway, is because one side says "it's an abomination" and the others say "you don't accept me because of inherited ignorance, bigotry, and fear" exists and is perpetrated there'll be little accomplished. You can call it an abomination or whatever but recognize that calling SSM an name begins with ignorance, bigotry and fear.

Not accepting SSM may not be hatred but I think it is selective usage and recognition of every Americans constitutional rights and protections. To deny a group of Americans a portion of those rights and protections that you enjoy is the very definition of unpatriotic.
 
soulcougher73 said:
Its called context. You dont haz it.

Were talking about gay marriage here. Not marrying 12 year olds.
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of course, in his feeble mind, he assumes the next logical progression is allowing people to marry animals and infants.

Of course he thinks this is logical.

it explains much.
 
zinfamous said:
of course, in his feeble mind, he assumes the next logical progression is allowing people to marry animals and infants.

Of course he thinks this is logical.

it explains much.
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And remember, In previous discussions he has also expressed the desire to marry furniture and small kitchen appliances.
 
nehalem256 said:
Well if you think it is wrong to tell people what to do...
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Maybe we can try to dumb this down for you. It is wrong to tell a certain group of consenting adults what to do if it treats them unfairly vs. the rest of consenting adults. Does that work? That should eliminate children and inanimate objects.

You able to keep up with the class now Johnny?
 
soulcougher73 said:
Maybe we can try to dumb this down for you. It is wrong to tell a certain group of consenting adults what to do if it treats them unfairly vs. the rest of consenting adults. Does that work? That should eliminate children and inanimate objects.
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And you still have no problem telling what object loving adults want to do.

soulcougher73 said:
Who are we telling what to do by allowing gay marriage?

Please enlighten us oh great one.
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Everyone who you are forcing to recognize the gay marriage. Previously it was claimed it was essential to call gay unions marriage because otherwise it would not be possible to force private individuals to recognize their union.
 
nehalem256 said:
And you still have no problem telling what object loving adults want to do.
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Guess you missed the "consenting adult" part in the lesson.


nehalem256 said:
Everyone who you are forcing to recognize the gay marriage. Previously it was claimed it was essential to call gay unions marriage because otherwise it would not be possible to force private individuals to recognize their union.
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We are not forcing anyone to recognize it. We are forcing the government/law to recognize it. When it it legal in a few years you are free to run around and not recognize it all you want. Wont change the fact gays are treated equally in the eyes of the law.

Its the same freedom i have to run around and not recognize you or your marriage if i chose to do so. Doesnt change anythign in the eyes of the law, but i sure would feel better.
 
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nehalem256 said:
So if a "consenting adult" wants to marry his toaster who are you tell him not to?

How does someone marrying his toaster affect you?
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I really didnt think id have to dumb it down this much. But i guess i have to for you. "No child left behind" and all. Thanks Bush!
It takes 2 consenting adults of any gender to form a legal marriage union in the eyes of the law.

Was that specific enough, or do i literally need to spell it out for you?

Last i was aware a toaster was unable to give consent. If technology has allowed that recently and ive missed it, please feel free to link me to this badass toaster.
 
soulcougher73 said:
I really didnt think id have to dumb it down this much. But i guess i have to for you. "No child left behind" and all. Thanks Bush!
It takes 2 consenting adults of any gender to form a legal marriage union in the eyes of the law.
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Wrong. In most states it takes 2 consenting adults of the opposite gender to form a legal marriage union in the eyes of the law.
 
zsdersw said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/gop-mute-as-supreme-court-tackles-gay-marriage-84883.html

If gay marriage is as unpopular as its most vocal opponents suggest, why would the Republican party be so silent on the issue and just "wish it would go away"?

Answer: It's not unpopular.

I'd say it is time for gay marriage opponents to get used to being on the losing side of the issue.
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This article is about the House Republican, not the whole Republican party:

House Republican leaders had a uniform response to the Supreme Court’s decision to take up gay marriage: silence.
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I think the House Repub leadership is a little busy with the whole "cliff thing" right now.

Otherwise, I've heard other Repub speak about the SCOTUS case on TV. So, IMO, any statement that no Repubs are talking it is false.

Fern
 
nehalem256 said:
Wrong. In most states it takes 2 consenting adults of the opposite gender to form a legal marriage union in the eyes of the law.
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Ok i was wrong. Im sorry. I do have to dumb it down even more for you.

You see. Were not here talking about the current law. This is a thread about getting SSM legal in the eyes of the law and what it would encompass and entail.

Fuck Bush. You are a child left behind. Be gone with your dumb self.
 
nehalem256 said:
So if a "consenting adult" wants to marry his toaster who are you tell him not to?

How does someone marrying his toaster affect you?
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Personally I think it has the potential to be quite hilarious.

1)Get married to your toaster on a reality TV show; we can all wait breathlessly as the toaster recites her vows and says "I do"

2)Record the consummation of the marriage and post it on Youtube (be sure and do it with the lights off so we can watch the electricity enter/exit your body)

3)?????

4)Profit!!! (Although you'll be dead from the consummation, be sure and setup an estate and executer beforehand)
 
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