Oh these threads will be more and more frequent as the hopium withdrawl kicks in. I think I'll start a hopium thread
retrospooty
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Right, it was McCain moving to the center that lost the election. It wasnt George Bush's breaking the world at all - it wasnt the country finally seeing what the religios right leadership gets us... It was just that McCain wasn't conservative enough. I see now, thanks for the clarification.
LOL @ your ignorance.
retrospooty
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I usually dont agree with you, but on this you are exactly right. I would definitely vote for a fiscal conservative if they werent attached to all that ssocial conservative religious idiocy like Bush and Palin.
the idea of low business friendly taxes, small govt, and govt out of private lives sounds great to me. then they tack on pro choice, anti gay marriage, prayer in schools and all the other issues that mix church and religion, and I just cant - so I vote dem most of the time. I think alot of people on the left socially share that view.
The denial from the right is off the charts.
McCain worked for a conservative course correction in 2000 calling Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell agents of intolerance (and was vilified for it especially with the 'black child' smear in the 2000 SC primary). He opposed the Bush tax cuts in 2002 because the Cons threw PayGo out the window. He opposed 'enhanced' interrogation. There's no end to it ...
He was for off-shore oil drilling, after being against it. Against warrantless wiretapping before 'toeing' the party line. Against privatizing Social Security before flip-flopping. And of course, he made up with the Fundies crowned by the selection of the Guv from the power State of Alaska.
Feel free to blame the economy or Bush or the man in the moon - it's much easier than blaming yourselves. The GOP has simply become the full-of-rage party of intolerance and propaganda.
McCain worked for a conservative course correction in 2000 calling Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell agents of intolerance (and was vilified for it especially with the 'black child' smear in the 2000 SC primary). He opposed the Bush tax cuts in 2002 because the Cons threw PayGo out the window. He opposed 'enhanced' interrogation. There's no end to it ...
He was for off-shore oil drilling, after being against it. Against warrantless wiretapping before 'toeing' the party line. Against privatizing Social Security before flip-flopping. And of course, he made up with the Fundies crowned by the selection of the Guv from the power State of Alaska.
Feel free to blame the economy or Bush or the man in the moon - it's much easier than blaming yourselves. The GOP has simply become the full-of-rage party of intolerance and propaganda.
dali71
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That's funny, I thought that a party on the decline would have numbers that were actually declining.
http://www.redstate.com/moe_la...-democratic-advantage/
Don't you worry - the Dems will give all their advantage back, just like they did in '94. Sooner or later, people will start to notice those trillion dollar deficits.
retrospooty
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No it isnt no it isnt NO IT ISNT!!!!
They are losing because they arent conservative enough. We need ultra conservative candidates to win. We need to be running on lowering all taxes and eliminating 100% of social programs. Outlaw abortion and gay people, and run on a platform of predestined religious war with Iran and then we will win. its that simple.
Hehe, when I read this I almost fell off my chair. I thought to myself, here's a guy who has perfectly described why his party is dying and uses retro in his name instead of dinosaur but I also had the nagging thought that nobody could be this stupid. So I read a bit more and, thank God, discovered, at least in your case, I was right. Blessed is the sarcasm meter.
Let these douchebags have their day. Judging by the number of "the Repug party is DEAD here's more proofS!!!!" threads, this has been building up for decades. They're like little kids who finally passed a test and now they can't help but tell everyone how smart they are. It's funny how quickly they forgot the situation they were just four short years ago, when everyone was freaking out over the demise of the Democratic Party.
The GOP needed a makeover. Hell, it needed to implode and I'm happy to see it happen. Under the GOP moniker or not, I look forward to a truly fiscal conservative party to emerge so we can put an end to the financial bleeding that the libs will create over the next 4 - 8 years. If one good thing comes of this runaway train, it's that the far right will be forced to exit the 50's and join the rest of us in the 21st century.
I predict Phokus will bring up Rush or the GOP within the next week. Don't understand Pokus. Did he try to get into the GOP and they rejected him... is that the root of the obsession? Maybe he called Rush and Rush made fun of him when he was on air? In Phokus little world, posting this crap over and over again -- is it his way of getting even? Oh, well.. whatever... Yea, the GOP is hurting.. what else is new?
StageLeft
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I had thought it was greatly overblown and smelled of cow dung, but the idea some republicans gave to vote republican to act as a check against democrats in the last election was, well, pretty damned accurate, wasn't it? The dems are doing an awful lot and a lot of it ain't good right now. It's good to see the republicans get the sound whupping here, but the cost is that we see another party barely worthy of more praise with a vast amount of power. And another year and a half before elections.
You are completely lost if you think McCain was running as a conservative. He may have tried to claim it, but anyone with half a brain knew better.
I think all the crap legislation that is going through right now will cost the Dems for decades and give Ron Paul conservatives the opening to get in and purge the crap we have sent to DC. I really want to see them squirm when a new Congress comes to town and starts putting some of the crooks in DC in jail. I wouldn't be surprised if this list included BHO! I'm thinking this could happen in 6 years.
The Republicans are in very serious trouble now, but they can win in 2012 by effectively splitting the Dems. Right now, the liberals are not happy with Obama. I know I'm seriously re-thinking my views on Obama. Unless he makes some strides to adjust the social imbalances in this country, I don't see myself voting for him again. If a real liberal runs against Obama as a third party candidate, I may well vote for him. Obama is taking the liberal vote for granted now, and that is a mistake, IMHO. We'll see what policies he puts in place in the next 3.7 years, but I'm now very skeptical he can get it right.
-Robert
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Try 60%. This has been pretty steady, but the number of those who disapprove has been steadily increasing. To be fair, this is probably to be expected as time elapses. We need a longer time line, so it's a little early to be talking about approval and disapproval. Until we can see the consequences of his mistakes... err... changes, it's premature to discuss ratings.
While I completly agree with this quote, one has to wonder...where ARE the new voices and idea's. What are they waiting for?. In order to embrace new ideas, you have to be willing to let go of some of the old ideas. If recent history is any guide, any Republican who does that immediately has his buttons and chevrons ripped off, right before the door hits him in ass. The Republican party is vying for the smallest tent in the circus right now.
There's Eric Cantor, he's 45. Bobby Jindal's 37. Pat McHenry is 33, and Aaron Schlock is 27. They're all rising stars in the party. But all of these guys (so far as I can tell) are studiously toeing the old guard party line. On the paleo-conservative side, you have people like Daniel Larison, who have been outspoken against this big government, interventionist Republican Party.
Do Conservatives want new ideas?, or do they want somebody to polish up the old ones. It seems the later. As a group, seem to be willing to admit that their old ideas failed. They just think they need to be repackaged, or screamed louder. Until they admit that new ideas are needed, none will be proposed much less accepted. Added to that, the Republicans seem to be focusing more and more on ideological purity - which is NOT the mindset you get new ideas out of.
We will always need a conservative wing. A car needs brakes as much as an engine. If the Republican Party folded up tomorrow, would all that money would just flow into the "Blue Dog" Clintonista wing of the Dems.? Six of one, 6 point 1 of the other.
They haven't stuck to their talking points for a long time in large part for the simple reason that it's impossible due to them being mutually contradictory. Small government and enforcing "family values", for example, contradict each other. Another reason is because actually trying to implement much of what they say they want would be political suicide; actually implementing ( as opposed to making speeches about ) massive cutbacks in government spending means that you have to hurt millions of people who will be extremely angry with you. Most people don't really want general cutbacks in government; just in the parts that don't benefit them, personally.
Then, there is a great divide between "Republican" and "Conservative." They used to line up pretty well together (ie, Bush 2000 campaign promises). President Bush's Presidency though, moved those two concepts further apart. No trying to (1) balance the budget, (2) nation building, (3) Education being a federal and not a State issue, (4) for bigger Gov't powers (not less); to name a few of the divides. So, Will someone who represents real conservative ideals will emerge. Why? It's too easy not too. You get to discredit Bush & Obama at the same time! Obama won't be able to attack you for "same old Bush policies."
You are seeing the new ideas on the intellectual fringes of the Republican Party. For example, Grand New Party, a book by two young writers Reihan Salam and Ross Douthat; the latter is now a columnist at the NYTimes. Here is a nice review by David Brooks who is also part of the reformist wing of the party. The problem is that there are very few politicians willing to embrace these new ideas and incur the wrath of Rush Limbaugh, Grover Norquist et al.
Speaking of Limbaughs, Sorry, this hollywood elitist entertainer that it seems all Republicans here think doesnt matter...DOES MATTER. They ARE the loudest voices at the moment. The problem is that when someone tries to buck the old guard and dares to suggest that ideas from a quarter century ago, they may no longer be feasible they get shouted down by Limbaugh and his ilk. One of the reasons Jindal is a rising star within the GOP is because he has so eagerly kissed the ass of the old guard. Look at how Limbaugh lambasted anyone who criticized Jindal when he delivered his famously flacid response to Obama's speech in February. One could argue about whether or not Limbaugh is the leader of the Republican party, but as long he and the other AM radio talkers are the loudest voices, there's little chance new ideas will get much mileage.
Very good post.
Any CONSERVATIVE who doesn't take Limbaugh with a grain of salt is a REPUBLICAN I can live without.
Limbaugh makes a good point from time to time, but he has every quality that I detest in many liberals, which is total lack of humility and an inflated sense of worth, ego, and intelligence.
Stop... you're going to make me blush
feralkid
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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Stop... you're going to make me blush. Tell me, which of your personalities would you prefer I address? I'd hate to get into it with you only to have your alter ego rush in to your defense :laugh: .
That was my girlfriend, you fool.
Why don't you take it up with the Forum Moderators?
halik
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He outright lies on the show, I've heard it myself. Couple years ago he was talking about how democrats not letting something appointment for a vote is unprecedented, despite the fact that virtually all presidents have had their nominations blocked.
Mind you, he repeated the unprecedented part several times to add to his point (aka they're doing somethign wrong that's not supposed to happen)
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Stop... you're going to make me blush. Tell me, which of your personalities would you prefer I address? I'd hate to get into it with you only to have your alter ego rush in to your defense :laugh: .
That was my girlfriend, you fool.
Why don't you take it up with the Forum Moderators?
LOL
I believe that case was closed, but it's still fun to highlight your total lack of credibility. Now piss off... like most people, I generally avoid little weasels who use multiple accounts to back themselves up
. Ooh... did I just end that with a preposition? You must be fuming! :laugh:TRENDING THREADS
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