GOP Hypocrisy on Stimulus & Debt Commission and more

[Atreus21]

Well yeah. If the republicans every actually do what they campaign on, democrats won't win another election.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

What more do you need?

A dose of reality?

 

[Throckmorton]

Well yeah. If the republicans every actually do what they campaign on, democrats won't win another election.

If Republicans did what they campaigned on, like reduce government spending to where it matches revenue, during a recession, we'd go into a disastrous Great Depression and Republicans wouldn't win another election for a generation. I WISH McCain had won. I'd love to see Teabaggers get what they want and watch their families go without food because of it.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Well yeah. If the republicans every actually do what they campaign on, democrats won't win another election.

So true.

 

[Atreus21]

If Republicans did what they campaigned on, like reduce government spending to where it matches revenue, during a recession, we'd go into a disastrous Great Depression and Republicans wouldn't win another election for a generation. I WISH McCain had won. I'd love to see Teabaggers get what they want and watch their families go without food because of it.

Disagree. Any economist knows to deficit spend when in a recession. I object to Obama's spending doing not because it's untimely, but that it's way the hell too much. And one other thing most economists know not to do is raise taxes in a recession.

 

[sandorski]

If Republicans did what they campaigned on, like reduce government spending to where it matches revenue, during a recession, we'd go into a disastrous Great Depression and Republicans wouldn't win another election for a generation. I WISH McCain had won. I'd love to see Teabaggers get what they want and watch their families go without food because of it.

McCain would have done much the same as Obama has done. There would be no Tea Party movement though, as Fox would backup McCain.

 

[Carmen813]

After Obama and his spending it's funny to hear the leftists complain about the Republicans, on their worst day they never spent like these fools.

Yes they did, they just were better at hiding it or spinning it to make it sound "okay." Why don't you look up the costs of Iraq/Afghanistan to start, not to mention the cost of making tax cuts without corresponding spending cuts?

Obama is trying to fill the $5+ trillion dollar hole that Republicans left him, which is why his spending seems so "insane."

 

[Throckmorton]

Disagree. Any economist knows to deficit spend when in a recession. I object to Obama's spending doing not because it's untimely, but that it's way the hell too much. And one other thing most economists know not to do is raise taxes in a recession.

I think most economists would agree that the government hasn't spent enough.

Teabaggers and the GOP complain about ANY deficit spending, but only when Democrats are in power. Right now they make two arguments.. a) too much spending and b) more spending that Bush.

Well because of Bush's lack of fiscal conservatism, we went into this recession with a HUGE deficit. That deficit got bigger because of reduced revenue. In 2009 Obama and Congress increased spending through the stimulus because that's what you do in a recession, increase spending to stimulate the economy.

When conservatives bash Obama for deficit spending, they are blaming him for Bush's deficit, Bush's bailouts, the recession's deficit, and stimulus that sensible people know is a good thing.

That's called playing politics and everyone here should be able to recognize that.

 

[Robor]

A dose of reality?

You're wasting your time there.

 

[Robor]

I think most economists would agree that the government hasn't spent enough.

Teabaggers and the GOP complain about ANY deficit spending, but only when Democrats are in power. Right now they make two arguments.. a) too much spending and b) more spending that Bush.

Well because of Bush's lack of fiscal conservatism, we went into this recession with a HUGE deficit. That deficit got bigger because of reduced revenue. In 2009 Obama and Congress increased spending through the stimulus because that's what you do in a recession, increase spending to stimulate the economy.

When conservatives bash Obama for deficit spending, they are blaming him for Bush's deficit, Bush's bailouts, the recession's deficit, and stimulus that sensible people know is a good thing.

That's called playing politics and everyone here should be able to recognize that.

Shut up! Shut up! Shut up you socialist/communist Obama apologist! :biggrin:

 

[Craig234]

Well yeah. If the republicans every actually do what they campaign on, democrats won't win another election.

If voters ever get a clue what's good for the country, corporatists won't win more elections.

P. S. They won't, especially with the new Court ruling.

 

[woolfe9999]

If Republicans did what they campaigned on, like reduce government spending to where it matches revenue, during a recession, we'd go into a disastrous Great Depression and Republicans wouldn't win another election for a generation. I WISH McCain had won. I'd love to see Teabaggers get what they want and watch their families go without food because of it.

Except that McCain would never have slashed spending. In a McCain administration, we would have had a stimulus bill, except it would have been all tax cuts, or maybe 70% tax cuts and 30% spending (as a compromize to congressional dems), that would have had the same impact on the deficit. He also would have continued TARP, as he supported it as a candidate. About the only thing Obama has done that has a deficit impact that he likely would not have done is to increase non-defense discretionary spending (about 12% of our budget), by about 10% for the year 2010. Oh, and McCain would not have allowed the Bush tax cut on high wage earners to expire at the end of this year as Obama intends to do.

McCain doesn't support cutting Medicare, Social Security, or Defense. It's hard to see how the deficit would have been any different under McCain. In fact, starting in 2011, it might have been worse.

- wolf

 

[Skitzer]

Rachel Maddow is a tool .... the right hand of Olbermann. They are both in the same league as spinmaster O'Rielly, Hannity and the fear-mongering Limbaugh. I don't watch any of those clowns. Their opinions and ideologies are totally biased and slanted to the point of being ridiculous. People who watch those assholes are ignorant, don't know how to seek the truth and have low self esteem.
Just sayin'

 

[woolfe9999]

I'm going to add, because of the claim of Maddow making "sound arguments", when she was insulting "the stupid" over the global warming claims and the jokes about the blizzard - she fires back by stating Vancouver, where the Winter Olympics are about to be held, has no snow! And of course that is definitive proof of rising temperatures.

Of course what Maddow omits is that Vancouver's average high temperatures in February, historically, is in the mid 40's, which means there is rarely snow in that city. What's the high temps currently in Vancouver? Mid 40's. And she used that as her argument against "the right".

I saw the clip this morning on the web. If you really think she is using Vancouver weather to argue in favor of climate change, your sarcasm meter is broken. Tone, style and context - she is mocking the AGW crowd who use current weather phenomena to argue against long term climate data.

Furthermore, it wasn't her who argued that AGW is "unpatriotic." That was "Bill Nye" the nerdy science guy who said that as an unsolicited comment - that it is "almost unpatriotic because it is anti-science." Her response to his comment reveals nothing about whether she agrees or disagrees.

Your listening comprehension is FTL.

- wolf

 

[HumblePie]

Rachel Maddow is a tool .... the right hand of Olbermann. They are both in the same league as spinmaster O'Rielly, Hannity and the fear-mongering Limbaugh. I don't watch any of those clowns. Their opinions and ideologies are totally biased and slanted to the point of being ridiculous. People who watch those assholes are ignorant, don't know how to seek the truth and have low self esteem.
Just sayin'

Nah, they are full of lulz!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

And I thought Rush Limbaugh was a hack...holy shit!

 

[Merithynos]

What do you mean "dubious" accusation? Maddow is employed by NBC which is owned by General Electric. No it doesn't definitively make someone a corporate shill, but that is precisely the argument which she presents as fact against others.

My friend that's what they call "double pwned"!

Wait, does this mean I can claim the Glen Beck et al are paid (in part) by a Saudi prince that supports terrorists?